qqwertyuiop2000's story

[qqwertyuiop2000]

So I thought I would tell you guys about the last stage of my battle with male pattern baldness.

Ive been on the big 3 for close to 3 years now and ive thrown in a few supplements over the years. I initially had some good results, i managed to hold back the tide for the first year and saw only gradual worsening over the second year.

Anyway this year I have noticed things have begun to deteriate, male pattern baldness has proceeded in a shoe horn with reccession at the temples and further back.

So ive taken the step to go all out with a new regime

and it goes like this:

Internals
Propecia
Multivitamin
L-Arginine
Green Tea Extract
Grape seed Extract
MSM
Omega 3
Ginko Biloba Extract
L-lysine


Topicals
Day
Folligen
Nutri Ox


Night
Xandrox with Azelic Acid 15%
Retin A
spironolactone


Shampoo
Tricomin
Nizoral
Revivogen Shampoo
NANO

Im going to progressively add all of these things once ive run out of the smaller stuff ie use up generic minixidil then add 15%.

I believe that if this doesnt work nothing will.

All comments queries would be appreciated ill consider adding other things if some one suggests them.

let the experiment begin. :shock:

 

[Guest]

your regimen sounds really powerful, this should at least maintain your hair for the next few years. Further additions to your regimen might be 5mg of Biotin and some Silica. It may be coincidence but since I am on Biotin my hair appears better and the shedding got less. It certainly won´t do any harm. Good Luck!

 

[Guest]

your regimen sounds really powerful, this should at least maintain your hair for the next few years. Further additions to your regimen might be 5mg of Biotin and some Silica. The Biotin in particular helped to reduce my shedding. Good Luck!

taug how do you know that? maybe the shed just stopped becuase of normal hair cycling?

 

[Guest]

You are right, maybe it was just a coincidence, but my hair definetly looks better and I have less shedding a few days after I started taking 5mg of Biotin. That´s why I recommend it to everyone from now on. Since it is cheap and won´t do any harm I see nothing wrong about that.

 

[Guest]

You are right, maybe it was just a coincidence, but my hair definetly looks better and I have less shedding a few days after I started taking 5mg of Biotin. That´s why I recommend it to everyone from now on. Since it is cheap and won´t do any harm I see nothing wrong about that.

no i totally agree that there is nothing wrong with biotin. it is cheap, it is relatively harmless, and it may provide a benefit. i have used it myself. i just had a concern with you saying that the "biotin in particular helped to reduce your shedding" because that may lead people on here to believe that Biotin is helpful in reducing shedding which I don't think think any study has ever proven. Know what I'm saying? I'm also a bit wary of it because a lot of hairdressers/stylists tell guys that they should use biotin to stop hair loss and regrow hair. My stylist told me to take biotin and my problems would be solved. Imagine if I had listened to her and not found a forum like this one with proven treatments.

I do think it is more likely that it was just a coincidence because, in most things I have read, the supposed main benefits of biotin are more vibrant hair growth and thicker hair shafts.

 

[Guest]

You are right, I edited my post and put things into perspective.

 

[CCS]

sounds like a good regimen. I think the tricomin shampoo and revivogen shampoo may be rip off, since I doubt they have nearly enough CPs or fatty acids. But if they were exactly the same price as my baby shampoo, I guess I'd used them.

 

[CCS]

I wonder if you buy one revivogen vial and add some of it to normal shampoo if you'd have more fatty acids than is in the revivogen shampoo. who knows. I think NANO shampoo is 0.5% NANO. I put 1/5 minoxidil in it, so the 5% minoxidil makes 1% minoxidil in the shampoo. Might not do much, but better than nothing.

 

[powersam]

taug where are you finding 5mg of biotin? most come in 600mcg caps. i've not seen any at as high doses as 5mg before.

 

[Guest]

Over here you can get them at any supermarkets. Did you search ebay?

 

[qqwertyuiop2000]

Thanks for the replies guys.

The real question I have is whether or not male pattern baldness can be reversed.

What ive noticed after 2-3 years is that the effectivness off the big 3 wears off, at best i think (in my case) it keeps what hair you have.

Can we actually re grow hair that has minaturised?

 

[Far Too Young]

Look at success stories - many people do. But probably not even most. However, if you've caught your hair loss early, you should feel lucky to even halt it. Compared to the men of ages past, that's quite an accomplishment! You've got one comprehensive regimine, too.

 

[qqwertyuiop2000]

Okay guys after some much more detailed research (mainly from http://www.hairloss-research.org/newprotformen-06.html)

Ive settled on this regime:

Regime


Internals
Generic Propecia (Finpecia)
Multivitamin
Saw Palmetto
L-Arginine
Green Tea Extract
Grape seed Extract
MSM
Omega 3
Ginko Biloba Extract
L-lysine
L-Taurine
Soy Isoflavones
Pomegranate Extract

Topicals
Day
Folligen


Night
Generic minixodil
Retin A
spironolactone


Shampoo
Tricomin
Nizoral 2%
Hair assist (available in australia similar to revivogen)
NANO

This regime includes almost everything i can think to fight male pattern baldness except dutas which i dont want to take (ive put enough s*** in my body).

Ill probably add a skin hair nails pill as well, any further supplements to take?

collegechemistrystudent I have a direct question for you ive read in your regime youve added green tea and apple somthing, you say this will turn vellus hairs into terminal hairs is that correct? if so should i mix some into minixodil and use it in the morning?

thanks guys
holy sh*t this is going to cost a fortune AHHHHHHHHH :shock:

 

[qqwertyuiop2000]

UPDATE

Regime update- update

Internals

For DHT inhibition through inhibiting 5AR function:
Generic proscar 1.25mg a day

For PKC Downregulation:
Soy Isoflavones

TNF-alpha downregulation
Green Tea Extract

TGF-beta down regulation
Curcumin

Grape seed Extract -"L'Oreal claimed positive hair growth results in a patent application from using oral Grape Seed Skin/Red Wine Extract. Theoretically this makes a lot of sense. In addition to its numerous other benefits, Grape Seed Skin Extract has been shown to bind to collagen fibers, increasing elasticity and flexibility in muscles, tendons, ligaments, and skin. Most significantly, for hair, it acts as a smooth muscle relaxant in blood vessels and microcapillarys, possibly preventing or offsetting damage to the hair follicle blood supply"

Pomegranate Extract -"It functions to reduce DHT, Androstendione via 17BHSD inhibition/Enterlactone production, Prolactin, and modulates estrogen in such a way to neutralize its role in hair loss and prostate cancer development. It also functions as an androgen receptor antagonist, and provides a potent dose of ellagic acid, an antioxidant that has been shown to stimulate hair growth and provide numerous other health benefits".


Omega 3-" By themselves they may produce ascertainable hair regrowth, (and at least improve texture and shine), but in addition to numerous other health benefits, they will potentiate the effects of other anti-inflammatory hair regrowth compounds".

Ginko Biloba Extract-"ginkgo has been shown to protect small blood vessels and micro capillaries against loss of tone and fragility. Because DHT mediated inflammation to the follicle blood supply is a major factor in male pattern balding and their types of hair loss, it is likely to be beneficial. Ginkgo Biloba also upregulates NO(Nitric Oxide),another mechanism beneficial to hair growth"


L-LYSINE – "Studies involving the adminstration of L-Lysine to those with hair loss showed a remarkable increase in scalp hair growth. The simple addition of L-Lysine to either compound dramatically improved the efficacy of both"


L-TAURINE - "is an amino acid that when used orally at doses greater than 500 mg. acts as anti-fibrotic agent (inhibits the inflammatoin mediated hardening or ridgification of the hair follicle matrix), thus addressing the primary mechanism of the gradual follicle miniturization seen in male pattern baldness"

Soy extract- "prevents the hair loss effect of testosterone by inhibiting the binding of testosterone to the hair and scalp receptor. Soy extracts also raise systemic levels of sex hormone binding globulin(SHBG), and upregulate VEGF(vascular endothelium growth factor)".

Nettle root- Nettle root, determined by various anti-oxidant tests boasts significant free-radical scavenging capability, including inhibition of superoxide, hydrogen peroxide and fatty-acid peroxidation and Nettle root also contain phytosterols, a contributing factor behind its immunomodulatory and anti-inflammatory activity. Nettle root can serve as a viable replacement to beta-sitosterol supplementation.

Multivitamin- Overall well being
MSM- Faster growing skin and nails

Topicals
Day
Folligen
Experimental topical?

Night
Generic minixodil
Retin A
spironolactone


Shampoo

Evening
Tricomin
Nizoral 2%


Morning
Hair assist (available in australia similar to revivogen)
NANO

Open for suggestions, any further supplements to take?

Also i want to create an experimental topical with minixodil base ie minixodil mixed with something any ideas?

collegechemistrystudent I have a direct question for you ive read in your regime youve added green tea and apple poly you say this will turn vellus hairs into terminal hairs is that correct? if so should i mix some into minixodil and use it in the morning?