Question: why can't we "clean up" a follicle

[Fbalding84]

Why Can't we or why hasn't anyone tried

1.extract a miniturazing hair follicle by FUE.
2. Under a microscope cut off fibrotic material around the follicle
3. Bath it in PRP/ACELL/GRowthfactor solution
4. Punch a new hole (don't use the original extraction site)
5. implant the follicle
6. See what happens

This method involves wounding and regenerative process. Sure the follicle might grow or might not grow. Perhaps it is still sensitive to DHT. What if it grows for 10-15 years and then miniturizes again. I would love another 10years with hair after that I don't care anyways. but only experimenting shows what can happen.

 

[hellouser]

Why Can't we or why hasn't anyone tried

1.extract a miniturazing hair follicle by FUE.
2. Under a microscope cut off fibrotic material around the follicle
3. Bath it in PRP/ACELL/GRowthfactor solution
4. Punch a new hole (don't use the original extraction site)
5. implant the follicle
6. See what happens

This method involves wounding and regenerative process. Sure the follicle might grow or might not grow. Perhaps it is still sensitive to DHT. What if it grows for 10-15 years and then miniturizes again. I would love another 10years with hair after that I don't care anyways. but only experimenting shows what can happen.

Cost for that would be RIDICULOUS.

 

[Fbalding84]

Wouldn't be much more than regular transplant. At least a test trail of let's say 100 units

 

[hellouser]

Wouldn't be much more than regular transplant. At least a test trail of let's say 100 units

If you wanted to bathe it in PRP/ACELL/CRP you might not need clinical trials.... but for any untested 'growth factors' you'd be waiting 15 years for the FDA to get off your *** and let you release the treatment for commercial use. Buuuuut.... apparently 15 years tells us a lot more than say, 3 or 5 years... (it doesnt). But lets say 3-5 years was possible... thats still too long.

The sate of which the hair loss industry is in right now, the research done, the time spent on it, the man hours behind it, the restrictions against it through FDA and other governing bodies, the complacency and ignorance of hair loss sufferers... its all a joke. 2015 in a couple days and still our best treatments are finasteride and minoxidil? That's fvcking pathetic.

 

[Fbalding84]

It's is a FUE procedure Wouldnt have any restrictions. Get a follicle clean it up and implant it. We can do this tomorrow even. Why hasn't anyone tried this

 

[hellouser]

It's is a FUE procedure Wouldnt have any restrictions. Get a follicle clean it up and implant it. We can do this tomorrow even. Why hasn't anyone tried this

I've been told that removing the follicle (balding one) and implanting deep under any fibrous tissue still leads to further miniaturization.

So... I'll stand by theory that we need to find ways to upregulate CD200 and CD34+ progenitor cells while still inhibiting DHT, DKK1 and PGD2. So far as I know, JAK inhibitors may promote CD200 cells and POSSIBLY Entecavir might do this as well;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25425463

 

[Fbalding84]

I agree with the JAK drugs they might work very well

 

[Python]

So what's the updates with the JAK inhibitors? Are people testing on the private forums? Has anyone found a cheaper alternative?

 

[hellouser]

So what's the updates with the JAK inhibitors? Are people testing on the private forums? Has anyone found a cheaper alternative?

Baicalin may be a cheap and effective alternative. I never got my Tofacitinib thanks to Canada Customs.

 

[benjt]

Baicalin may be a cheap and effective alternative. I never got my Tofacitinib thanks to Canada Customs.

Oh my god, why is Canadian customs so incompentent. They are a fvcking disgrace and only want to oppress us baldies. I want to fvcking vomit.

 

[newplayer]

Baicalin may be a cheap and effective alternative. I never got my Tofacitinib thanks to Canada Customs.

I'm ordering baicalin from China, aiming for oral intake, I've read the study posted over @btt, seems promising.

So far the only thing that REALLY helped me was MSM, but I'm also planning to hop on finasteride and see what comes out of it.

 

[bushbush]

Oh my god, why is Canadian customs so incompentent. They are a fvcking disgrace and only want to oppress us baldies. I want to fvcking vomit.

If it wasn't for all this red tape we would have our post already. Canada customs are part of the corrupt system, man. Those guys just sit around all day counting their money (my tax dollars btw.) and driving their sports cars. They have had years to perfect the postal system. YEARS! Sometimes I dream about joining the Canadian customs workforce to show them how it should be done, but in reality I am too lazy and would rather talk **** online.

 

[inbrugge]

Seriously? lol I guess you guys are really satisfied with the progress in the hair loss industry and that's why you're slagging hellouser for rightly complaining.

Have fun with becoming an infertile limp d*** with man tits, courtesy of Finasteride, and a wrinkly hairy ape, thanks to Minoxidil, which were both released like what, during the Cold War?

Or maybe you guys are planning to save your hair by rubbing in shredded scholastic articles about PGE2 disolved in Eth/PPG.

 

[maher]

Oh my god, why is Canadian customs so incompentent. They are a fvcking disgrace and only want to oppress us baldies. I want to fvcking vomit.

I fvcking hate society! and all those shampoo commercials on TV- makes me vomit!

 

[bushbush]

that's why you're slagging hellouser for rightly complaining.

And what does wrongfully labeling researchers (often by name) as incompetent actually achieve? Especially if you lack the ability to critique the science itself, or the willingness to get involved.

 

[RK85]

Baicalin may be a cheap and effective alternative. I never got my Tofacitinib thanks to Canada Customs.

I will try this baicalin, but should I take it orally or apply it topically (for example in form of cream)?

 

[hellouser]

I will try this baicalin, but should I take it orally or apply it topically (for example in form of cream)?

Topical, always.

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LOL @ Benjt and his minions, butthurt over my comments about the need to demand more from the industry.

Keep on being complacent, that will get you VERY far.

 

[sensei]

"[h=1]Microenvironmental reprogramming by three-dimensional culture enables dermal papilla cells to induce de novo human hair-follicle growth"[/h]
De Novo -- means new

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/49/19679.abstract

 

[hellouser]

"Microenvironmental reprogramming by three-dimensional culture enables dermal papilla cells to induce de novo human hair-follicle growth"


De Novo -- means new

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/49/19679.abstract

That article is over a year old. Claire Higgins is one of the people involved with that. Here's an interview with her talking about some of the work:

[video=youtube;RrgwU6tfCaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrgwU6tfCaY[/video]

Notice how when the dude mentions to use it for head hair at the 4:33 she freaks out and goes to burn victims; as if bald men should be exempt from this benefit (further snubbing... but dont tell this to benjt, he'll get salty!).

At the 8:52 mark he says 'we might be talking about some 5 years starting trials, that's quite fast...' LOL, we know how that always goes. 5 years isn't fast either.

 

[Python]

Baicalin may be a cheap and effective alternative. I never got my Tofacitinib thanks to Canada Customs.

I saw it on Amazon, it seems pretty affordable but from what I was able to read on it, it's not a JAK inhibitor, it's a JNK inhibitor. Or is there some studies that say it's also a JAK inhibitor?