Read intercytex's patent application here

[michael barry]

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?DB=EPOD ... 2004044188


Very very interesting. 120 hairs all thats needed for a new headful? They may know a hell of alot more than they lead on

 

[HARM1]

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2004044188&F=0&QPN=WO2004044188


Very very interesting. 120 hairs all thats needed for a new headful? They may know a hell of alot more than they lead on

I do not unertsand something:
What are these DP cells, and why are they there? it's like GOD new we will want to clone hairs in the future?
- say we do get to a point we have lots of them VIA multipication, we just inject them in the skin, and let them do their thing? Who is to say that they will grow hair in the normal patern? do they have in their DNA to grow the hair in a certain place? or will they grow randomly in a raidus close to where they were injected- BAD and will look bad, no accuracy.

 

[jeffsss]

doesnt have a date anywhere. when was this written?

 

[News2]

will they grow randomly in a raidus close to where they were injected- BAD and will look bad

The direction of growth will be determined by how the cells are injected in the scalp. (I read several things about this: Someone suggested that the cells will be in tiny little tubes that will act as a "guide". Someone else said that there will be a special instrument that will insert the cells in the right direction.)
Ken Washenik (from ARI) has said that they will not put a product on the market that does not produce cosmetically acceptable results. I think that in the meantime they have figured out how to determine the direction of growth. (However, I want to see pictures first before I have the treatment.)

 

[HARM1]

will they grow randomly in a raidus close to where they were injected- BAD and will look bad

The direction of growth will be determined by how the cells are injected in the scalp. (I read several things about this: Someone suggested that the cells will be in tiny little tubes that will act as a "guide". Someone else said that there will be a special instrument that will insert the cells in the right direction.)
Ken Washenik (from ARI) has said that they will not put a product on the market that does not produce cosmetically acceptable results. I think that in the meantime they have figured out how to determine the direction of growth. (However, I want to see pictures first before I have the treatment.)

Hello friend, I am not talking about direction, im adressing the issue of area of growth. I thought that they were actually multiplying folicules which would make it all much easier( wht don't they do that? ).

 

[kblah]

Was written 2004-05-27

 

[News2]

I thought that they were actually multiplying folicules

They are multiplying cells that will develop into follicles. The follicles will grow where the cells are implanted.

 

[News2]

To clarify: Individual cells will grow into individual follicles.

 

[michael barry]

http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_ournews.html

Watch the video and Ken Washenik will explain what they are trying to do at Aderans.


Biodegradable tissue scaffolds invented by some other Doctor for another purpose are what Aderans is supposedly using with their cloning techniques. They help ensure direction early on, but degrade and dissapear over time.

Its been pointed out however, that hair itself, even when implanted at bad angles...................seemingly over time adjusts itself over later growth phases to go in the direction of the grain of hair in the area. Im not telling anyone to jump out and get HM if the direction is all askew and you have hair like Ryan Secrest or Ty Pennington with a "mussed-up" look about it, even if you try to comb it straight. But what I am saying is that if the early HM hair DID look like that, it should (over a few growth cycles) straighten itself out. The problem with this is a few growth cycles may take ten years and that would kinda' suck. I guess if direction was bad but thickness was great, you could grow it long and and pull it back into a ponytail and let gravity do the work of "pullling it" into place.

 

[DaSand]

Interesting... now to do other things until HM comes

 

[Felk]

Ooooh... that lays my fears at rest. I thought they just multiplied the hair, then did a hair transplant with more hair...

Boy, was I wrong!!

 

[biff]

I really hope this works and is available in the next few years, it looks like our only hope!

 

[Felk]

I really hope this works and is available in the next few years, it looks like our only hope!

That's it. However I think we all need to do more than hope. This is something ive been thinking about for a while, and I intend on making a proper thread about it sometime soon.

In reading a fascinating book about a nutritional concept, the author Dr Lindberg, a famous doctor from norway, makes the point about the difference between sucrose and fructose, two forms of sugar.

Fructose is 30-50% sweeter than sucrose, and therefore you need 30-50% less of it to get the same amount of sweetness, and it has a glycaemic index of 19, as opposed to sucrose's 100. It can be bought and substituted for sugar.

"Why on earth is fructose not substituted for all sugar? The main reason is that fructose is 4-5 times more expensive to produce than sugar. If fructose was used instead of sugar,either food prices would have to be raised or the profit margins in the food industry would go down. The second reason is that the production of fructose on a global basis is relatively small compareted to the almost unlimited access to sugar, which is a commodity.
The truth of the matter is that unless we as consumers demand better food, the food industry is not going to produce it."

I think this is the mentality we need to have as male pattern baldness sufferers. Americans spend $700 000 000 a year attempting to regrow their hair! There's no wonder there are so many scams out there. I don't know yet exactly how we should act, but getting behind something like HM in some way is definately a good idea!

This forum is a goldmine for correct information, and one step we all need to make, is to attempt make it grow bigger, i believe.

Think about it, if there were ten times as many people here saying "after the big 3 don't work, your options are pretty limited" don't you think we as consumers would be pretty unsatisfied and demand something better, instead of turning to scam products? Now im not saying some new drug would jump out of nowhere for us, but we could get behind up and coming treatments, and at the very least more of us would try other things and we would know a great deal more about the unproven treatments.

 

[biff]

I posted something similar a while ago about starting a fund to go towards research. Imagine how much could be raised if every balding man contributed a dollar ot two!

 

[DaSand]

Speaking of this, I'm starting to save up for the procedure if it should come out. If it comes out in late 2008 or 2009, I'm set.

 

[biff]

Speaking of this, I'm starting to save up for the procedure if it should come out. If it comes out in late 2008 or 2009, I'm set.

I wonder how much it will cost? It will probably be extortionate at first but hopefully prices will be more reasonable after a while.

 

[Felk]

What is the general consensus on the most probable release date?

Because i love to be hopeful about these things, but when you look back into old threads or at other sites, you see people in 2001/2002 talking about HM. Or worse saying "At the moment we only really have minoxidil and finasteride. Use them to hold out for five years or so and im sure we'll have something better" ...damn! Well i guess dutasteride is new....

Still there are people doing things... even if most of us have the "leave it to the others" principle (in this case, the "others" probably scientists)

I saw people at hairsite getting together and ordering RU58841, for example. But coming back to this site to read about HM is always good... a much nicer atmosphere here.... Hairsite, or regrowth.com, both just don't look or feel right...

 

[biff]

I believe they have people trialing it now so hopefully it won't be long. Providing it works that is!

 

[DaSand]

Speaking of this, I'm starting to save up for the procedure if it should come out. If it comes out in late 2008 or 2009, I'm set.

I wonder how much it will cost? It will probably be extortionate at first but hopefully prices will be more reasonable after a while.

I doubt it will be too high because not every balding man or woman can pay $20,000 for this procedure. They'd lost a lot of business if they set the price high. But still, I'm still saving up for this!

 

[Apoc]

I think you are underestimating the amount of money people are willing to throw at this. At first a huge number of men who are well off would be paying large amounts of cash to get all their hair back. Just look at all the corporate guys who are bald but don't get transplants because they don't want to be cut up. Then you can add all the old geezers who just want to become younger by getting a full head of hair. The list goes on and on. If this will realy work like they are predicting there won't be a shortage of customers willing to drive a car into doctors office and leave it there since they can always buy another one.

While we are spending money on drugs and hair transplants these guys don't care about their hairloss. But if an option appeared that would alow them to get it back... man there will be a large crowd gathering in that doctors office I can tell you that.

The only thing I can hope for is that the proceedure will get wide spread very fast.