Regime questions.

[Sebastien]

Ever since I got my summer holiday I have used some of this spare time to obtain information about other things that might help my hairloss, besides the propecia and keta shampoo I'm on. I have added the following things (that also contribute to my health):

- Omega 3, 6, 9 fish oil capsule (1x a day).
- A non high dosed multivitamin tablet.
- Loads of green tea for DHT decrease, EGCG and anti-oxidants.
- Soy, for the isoflavones thus stimulation IGF-1 and the combination with the green tea.
- 100% Pommegranate juice for the anti-oxidants.

- I dropped alchohol useage by atleast 90%.
- I changed my cow milk into soy milk
- I eat less meat and more vegetables
- I drink only green tea or watter, thereby dropping soda and fruit juices.

All the above mentioned things are really easy to use/obtain. Now some study pointed out that green tea might also increase DHT, not really sure how this works but, what would be a good alternative? Are there any other things that I could add to my diet? Any input is really, really appreciated.

(As for results, currently NW2 (and a little bit), my hair improved a bit on the temples and the overal quality is way better. Main benefit was that I lost around 18 pounds.)

 

[Sebastien]

Anyone? I am really worried about my tea

 

[vauxall]

Now some study pointed out that green tea might also increase DHT,

Where did you get this from?

If you need a reliable source go to this site:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

In the search box type: Dihydrotestosterone green tea

 

[Sebastien]

http://www.ironmagazine.com/review50.html

That's where I got it from, honestly, it doesn't seem like there is a consensus about it so I was just looking for a safe alternative.

 

[vauxall]

http://www.ironmagazine.com/review50.html

That's where I got it from, honestly, it doesn't seem like there is a consensus about it so I was just looking for a safe alternative.

I think whoever wrote that article cannot read medical studies properly. If you read the abstract of that article you won't see any reference to green tea raising DHT

Biochem Pharmacol. 2002 Mar 15;63(6):1165-76.

Structure-activity relationships for inhibition of human 5alpha-reductases by polyphenols.
Hiipakka RA, Zhang HZ, Dai W, Dai Q, Liao S.

Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, The Ben May Institute for Cancer Research, and The Tang Center for Herbal Medicine Research MC6027, University of Chicago, 5841 S. Maryland, Chicago, IL 60637, USA.

Abstract
The enzyme steroid 5 alpha-reductase (EC 1.3.99.5) catalyzes the NADPH-dependent reduction of the double bond of a variety of 3-oxo-Delta(4) steroids including the conversion of testosterone to 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone. In humans, 5 alpha-reductase activity is critical for certain aspects of male sexual differentiation, and may be involved in the development of benign prostatic hyperplasia, alopecia, hirsutism, and prostate cancer. Certain natural products contain components that are inhibitors of 5 alpha-reductase, such as the green tea catechin (-)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG). EGCG shows potent inhibition in cell-free but not in whole-cell assays of 5 alpha-reductase. Replacement of the gallate ester in EGCG with long-chain fatty acids produced potent 5 alpha-reductase inhibitors that were active in both cell-free and whole-cell assay systems. Other flavonoids that were potent inhibitors of the type 1 5alpha-reductase include myricetin, quercitin, baicalein, and fisetin. Biochanin A, daidzein, genistein, and kaempferol were much better inhibitors of the type 2 than the type 1 isozyme. Several other natural and synthetic polyphenolic compounds were more effective inhibitors of the type 1 than the type 2 isozyme, including alizarin, anthrarobin, gossypol, nordihydroguaiaretic acid, caffeic acid phenethyl ester, and octyl and dodecyl gallates. The presence of a catechol group was characteristic of almost all inhibitors that showed selectivity for the type 1 isozyme of 5 alpha-reductase. Since some of these compounds are consumed as part of the normal diet or in supplements, they have the potential to inhibit 5 alpha-reductase activity, which may be useful for the prevention or treatment of androgen-dependent disorders. However, these compounds also may adversely affect male sexual differentiation.

PMID: 11931850 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Sebastien]

Seems that there was a discussion about this on the forums here:

viewtopic.php?t=31510

Do you know of any alternative with the same health benefits and effect on DHT?

 

[Sebastien]

I'm kinda grasping at straws here, there is no consensus about green tea and/or soy. Annoying...

 

[vauxall]

It may depend on that particular king of green tea they used for that study. Even if Green Tea elevated serum levels of DHT, that wouldn't necessarily reflect on hair loss. Stop worring and keep drinking your green tea, it's good for you.

 

[Sebastien]

Haha, okay thanks. Does anyone know if I can take unfermented soy? Does it have the same benefits as the fermented kinds? Since unfermented, like milk yoghurt etc are easier to get..

 

[fallout2rocks]

Sebastian, check out MSM! I can't guarantee about hair but it definitely made my nails grew faster! I take mine in Glucosamine + MSM tablet form, due to difficulty of obtaining single dose MSM in my current location (Asia.)

 

[Sebastien]

Any input on the soy thing?

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

"supposedly", unfermented soy is terrible for you and fermented is ok. I'm not sure completely as to the validity of all those claims in support of that so you'll have to check for yourself. My personal opinion is F- your GMOs.