Revitalize by American Crew

[DC]

I was looking for some shampoo at an Ulta and came across a American Crew Revitalize kit on clearence. It comes with shampoo conditioner and topical "serum" that contains copper peptide, green tea extract, and Sal Palmetto. Has anyone tried this particualar product? or any products like this. I got the kit for $2.50 so I figured it wouldn't hurt.

 

[Guest]

Some folks have suggested that this is tricomin shampoo private labeled.

 

[DC]

I read a post by a moderator that was against the use of Saw Palmetto orally and topically. I am a little confused; he seemed to say that topically SP is ineffective. My question is if it is then why are revivogen which contains Saw Palmetto encouraged on this site? So, is it better to stay away from these types of shampoos?

 

[Guest]

I read a post by a moderator that was against the use of Saw Palmetto orally and topically. I am a little confused; he seemed to say that topically SP is ineffective. My question is if it is then why are revivogen which contains Saw Palmetto encouraged on this site? So, is it better to stay away from these types of shampoos?

Both crinagen and reviv. contain SP but of course, but also contain a number of other ingredients that have some scientific support for combatting male pattern baldness, including several fatty acids, zinc and B6, and the like.

:lol:

 

[HairlossTalk]

DC -

The presence of an ingredient in a product doesn't mean the ingredient is legit... although you'd think so using common sense Actually, the folks at Revivogen told me point blank that they only put Saw Palmetto in the mix because so many people have been duped into believing it does something for hair loss. In fact its presence in several reputable products is simply that. A marketing technique for the benefit of those who don't really know the ins and outs of hair treatment. Its just there to look good on the ingredient list ... and "hey it cant hurt". That's basically the logic behind it.

That said, American Crew revitalize no doubt is including it for similar reasons. Topically Saw Palmetto does have more efficacy than orally. The reason as to why is complicated to explain but its a minor improvement over the oral.

You can read more about American Crew revitalize in an article we did with the makers of Tricomin just before it went live on the market:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article149.htm

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[ColtsFan]

HairLossTalk.com,

Old post i know, but regards to your SP bashing, I find it interesting that the head pharmacist over at "hairlosspharmacy.com" Susan, is her name, insisits that a quality saw palmetto supplement that is standardized, is a much better option than proscar.

Now you would think a pharmacist, who gets paid to sell pharmaceuticals, would Propecia up propecia. Not the case, she feels saw palmetto covers more bases. She even went as far as saying that its a waste of money to take both.

They dont even carry a saw palmetto product, which makes me want to rethink this whole finasteride vs. saw palmetto thing.

I know, I know, where's the data, well if you go to hairloss-research.org under "updates" there is study they did to determine SP's effect for hair growth/loss, not for its effects on BPH, the results were rather impressive.

Just thought all of the posters here would find this interesting.

 

[HairlossTalk]

HairLossTalk.com, Old post i know, but regards to your SP bashing, I find it interesting that the head pharmacist over at "hairlosspharmacy.com" Susan, is her name, insisits that a quality saw palmetto supplement that is standardized, is a much better option than proscar.

Ask her for the clinical data proving she is right and I will listen. Ive already seen all the data, and none of it shows she is right. She is making an assumption. An incorrect assumption. And by the way, since when did "susan" become a hair loss expert?

Now you would think a pharmacist, who gets paid to sell pharmaceuticals, would Propecia up propecia. Not the case, she feels saw palmetto covers more bases. She even went as far as saying that its a waste of money to take both.

Not really. I would think since she's in the medical field, she's one of many doctors and pharmacists who are horrendously misinformed on hair loss and its treatments.

They dont even carry a saw palmetto product, which makes me want to rethink this whole finasteride vs. saw palmetto thing.

This is why snake oil companies make money. That is your requirement for determining if a treatment works? You care nothing about the fact that there isnt a single bit of evidence that it works? Not a single bit of data anywhere??????? Your criteria for "rethinking" this whole thing is that some girl named Susan sells propecia and thinks SP works too? We are trying our darndest to get our users to use their noggins and start educating themselves on how to critique a hair loss treatment. Have you been reading our newsletter articles on these topics? Did you read the Saw Palmetto article? You've just disregarded the whole entire thing? If so, I give up. Believe what you want. Facts apparently mean nothing to ya. :x

I know, I know, where's the data, well if you go to hairloss-research.org under "updates" there is study they did to determine SP's effect for hair growth/loss, not for its effects on BPH, the results were rather impressive.

Did you bother to ask for the whole article? Did you bother to look this study up? Did you bother to research it? Or did you just find a web page and believe everything you read on it without asking a single question about it? This is why snake oil companies continue to thrive off of the generally uneducated, lazy public. If you bothered to research this study you'd first have found out that it wasn't published in a reputable journal. This is the biggest and most huge sign that its not a legitimate study. You then would have found out that it only included TEN participants over a period of 4 to 6 months. You also would have found out that it was publicly slaughtered on nationwide Television on 20/20 in Jan 2003 as being a totally fraudulent and useless study. You then would have also found out that even though there are over 200 studies on SP's effectiveness in the prostate, there isn't a single one for hair loss.

Yet you continue to go all over our forums saying that we're just "bashing" it like we have some sort of agenda, and spreading misinformation that some susan girl gave you and randomly posting and reposting and reposting this study that you didn't even bother to read the full-text for or do any research on. You're killin' me man.

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[Guest]

HairLossTalk.com,

Old post i know, but regards to your SP bashing, I find it interesting that the head pharmacist over at "hairlosspharmacy.com" Susan, is her name, insisits that a quality saw palmetto supplement that is standardized, is a much better option than proscar.

Now you would think a pharmacist, who gets paid to sell pharmaceuticals, would Propecia up propecia. Not the case, she feels saw palmetto covers more bases. She even went as far as saying that its a waste of money to take both.

They dont even carry a saw palmetto product, which makes me want to rethink this whole finasteride vs. saw palmetto thing.

I know, I know, where's the data, well if you go to hairloss-research.org under "updates" there is study they did to determine SP's effect for hair growth/loss, not for its effects on BPH, the results were rather impressive.

Just thought all of the posters here would find this interesting.

Well, SP works quite well in controlling BPH and no one here is disputing that. There is a huge leap from that to male pattern baldness. That is why the FDA required Merck to do the studies on male pattern baldness rather than simply saying, "well if it works down there, it will work up here!"

Now, that wasn't too hard for you was it??

:hairy:

 

[HairlossTalk]

Well, SP works quite well in controlling BPH and no one here is disputing that. There is a huge leap from that to male pattern baldness. That is why the FDA required Merck to do the studies on male pattern baldness rather than simply saying, "well if it works down there, it will work up here!":

Great Point Bruce! Nobody uses that "Well i guess if it works in one area it'll probably work in another area" logic in the scientific world. Everything is Tested Tested and Tested again.

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[Guest]

Well, SP works quite well in controlling BPH and no one here is disputing that. There is a huge leap from that to male pattern baldness. That is why the FDA required Merck to do the studies on male pattern baldness rather than simply saying, "well if it works down there, it will work up here!":

Great Point Bruce! Nobody uses that "Well i guess if it works in one area it'll probably work in another area" logic in the scientific world. Everything is Tested Tested and Tested again.

HairLossTalk.com

Yes and a good thing too. When we get desperate, well, we might even take apricot pits for cancer?