Sexual Liberalism Is Like Economic Liberalism?

[IggyPop]

It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.

This is from French author Michel Houellebecq and imo he is totally right. Even more in modern times with Tinder/Online-Dating.

 

[Guzam]

This is from French author Michel Houellebecq and imo he is totally right. Even more in modern times with Tinder/Online-Dating.

I call bullshit on this one.

His is a faulty argument, almost a fallacy. He compares sexual partner number disparity to wealth disparity, with some having a lot and many having none.
Sexual behavior is not some kind of normal good. If it was, his would be a legit argument, sexual behavior and sex quantitatively would equate, but not in the sense that he's describing: the rich would get more sex, the poor less, in a liberalized society with monetized sex and almost normal consumer behavior towards sex. Only in this theoretical scenario his argument would be logical. His argument loses its sense because sexual behavior is not a consumable commodity that gets liberalized (while sex is, but this is totally another discourse).
He almost got to the point, but he missed it completely and made a fool of himself.

The point is that sexual liberation displays in fact typically economic behavior: the problem here is defining what in fact is being allocated, optimally or non-optimally. He missed the crucial point here: it's not sex that is liberalized and reallocated; it's people themselves. The 'Chad' having sex with hundreds of women, and the Beta having sex with the Chad's leftovers later in life, are not allocating sex, they are both the economic agent and the good. This is more similar to the job market than to the commodity market, where those who display the right qualities are sought everywhere and settle only with the best, reallocating many times; while in the meantime the beta without talents struggles to get a job.

This French is a fool and didn't get to the point. Here I gave a better explanation of the dynamics of sexual liberation. Hell people can't have proper discourse.

 

[HankPentagon]

I call bullshit on this one.

His is a faulty argument, almost a fallacy. He compares sexual partner number disparity to wealth disparity, with some having a lot and many having none.
Sexual behavior is not some kind of normal good. If it was, his would be a legit argument, sexual behavior and sex quantitatively would equate, but not in the sense that he's describing: the rich would get more sex, the poor less, in a liberalized society with monetized sex and almost normal consumer behavior towards sex. Only in this theoretical scenario his argument would be logical. His argument loses its sense because sexual behavior is not a consumable commodity that gets liberalized (while sex is, but this is totally another discourse).
He almost got to the point, but he missed it completely and made a fool of himself.

The point is that sexual liberation displays in fact typically economic behavior: the problem here is defining what in fact is being allocated, optimally or non-optimally. He missed the crucial point here: it's not sex that is liberalized and reallocated; it's people themselves. The 'Chad' having sex with hundreds of women, and the Beta having sex with the Chad's leftovers later in life, are not allocating sex, they are both the economic agent and the good. This is more similar to the job market than to the commodity market, where those who display the right qualities are sought everywhere and settle only with the best, reallocating many times; while in the meantime the beta without talents struggles to get a job.

This French is a fool and didn't get to the point. Here I gave a better explanation of the dynamics of sexual liberation. Hell people can't have proper discourse.

Very smart take

I'm not sure I understood it all

You need to develop your writing career

 

[SmoothSailing]

Quantity of sexual partners in men is exponential.

 

[Roberto_72]

This is from French author Michel Houellebecq and imo he is totally right. Even more in modern times with Tinder/Online-Dating.

Where is this quote from?
Funny that in his most famous book, "the elementary particles", one of the protagonists, Bruno, is obsessed by prostitution.
So, the idea that sex and money are completely independent is too strong of an abstraction.
Bruno also has a hair transplant because he thinks he is not having enough sex.


Did you know Houellebecq had one of the most famous and ineffective hair transplants of the literary world?

 

[JeanLucBB]

Where is this quote from?
Funny that in his most famous book, "the elementary particles", one of the protagonists, Bruno, is obsessed by prostitution.
So, the idea that sex and money are completely independent is too strong of an abstraction.
Bruno also has a hair transplant because he thinks he is not having enough sex.


Did you know Houellebecq had one of the most famous and ineffective hair transplants of the literary world?
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That novel looks interesting. Would you recommend? Seen this guy pop up in the Guardian fairly often.

 

[Roberto_72]

That novel looks interesting. Would you recommend? Seen this guy pop up in the Guardian fairly often.

I do not like his style. I think his intellectual spirit stems just from sexual dissatisfaction.
I can read in him an embittered version of myself and I don't like that.