Soy Isoflavones

[kelly649]

I'm a diffuse thinner and have been on Proscar for almost a year. I started American Crew Copper Peptide stray (twice a day) about 6 months ago and also use Nizoral twice a week. In addition, I take a multi-vitamin, flax seed oil, Soy Isoflavones, and occasionally MSM.

My severe shed seems to have finally abated and I seem to be in a holding pattern (not losing, not gaining).

My question is, should I continue the Soy Isoflavones. I've heard that Proscar increases estrogen levels and the Soy Isoflavones bottle actually says 'For Menopause Support' right on it. I've noticed a slight increase in body fat (especially in the chest area). It's not that noticeable, so it really doesn't bother me that much (and no noticealbe drop in libido). I just need to increase my amount of exercise. I also drink soy milk with my cereal every morning.

So, are the Soy Isoflavones doing anything beneficial for me? I've heard that increased estrogen can cause hair loss and other reports that state it decreases hair loss. What should I believe? Are the soy milk and soy isoflavones just a waste of money or should I keep them in my program? thanks!

 

[CCS]

i won't answer your question directly, but here is some stuff i know about finasteride side effects.

1. They are not caused by a lack of DHT. You don't need any DHT from 5ar2.

2. Somehow finasteride reduces your bodies ability to make arginine, or convert other amino acids into arginine (I thought arginine was an essential amino acid anyway???). Arginine is needed to make NO, which is not only good for fighting hair loss, but also is needed to get errections. Do fight errectile propblems, supplement with arginine. I recommend you get your arginine from soy protein because it is better absorbed, is very cheap, and has those good chemicals you just menstioned, and flura in your intestine can make EQOUL from it in the presence of green tea stuff, and the EQOUL binds with DHT so it can't bind with androgen receptors. It is not absorbed very well, but eating meat at the same time ups production by 5x.

3. Testosterone not only can be made into DHT, it also can be made into estrogen. Plently of enzymes make these steroids into other steroids. When you stop making testosterone into DHT, testosterone levels go up, and some of the excess is made into estrogen. The estrogen then tells the testes to make less testostosterone, and an equalibrium is reached with slightly raised estrogen and testosterone levels and lowered testosterone production and DHT levels. The estrogen, not the lack of DHT, is what give you the boobs and body fat. It usually only affects people who are already fat, since they already are making more estrogen (viscious cycle). Men who are lean and work out often are not effected as much. I don't know if estrogen has an effect on hair loss and want to look into this, but there are pills that are aromatase blockers that will stop some of the testosterone from terning into estrogen. You don't want to do two much, though, because you need estrogen in your brain and for many body functions. You just want to get ride of the excess. The pills are prescription only. Good luck getting them unless you already have some small boobs.

4. I forgot what causes the lack of sex drive. Jayman and I have two posts on this in another forum. Do a search for estrogen and you will find the other post.

5. DHT is not anabolic to muscles like testosterone is.