Soy Milk And Soy Products - Does it help ?

vinodhkumar

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I tried to google it up and many websites claim that Soy Milk and Soy products contain "stuff" (equol ?)that reduces free DHT in our blood. Is it just a myth or is it true ? And if true has it been proven that drinking Soy milk and eating soy foods can help us in maintaining our existing hair (lesser impact than Finas but same mechanism) ?
 

vauxall

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Even if it was a DHT blocker, would it be a cure for hair loss? I think not necessarily.

Saw Palmetto is a DHT blocker, but there's mo good literature about it.

Maybe what makes commercila DHT blocker successful in treating MBP could be some other 'stuff'.

My opinion is one has to stop the excess sebum, not the DHT.
 

JLL

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It is true that soy isoflavones reduce DHT and increase testosterone both in rodents and in humans, but whether this translates to hair growth (or even maintenance) is less certain. One study did claim an increase in hair growth from a combination of soy and capsaicin (the stuff that makes chilli peppers hot). The authors suggest it's mostly the increased IGF-1 (from capsaicin) that is the cause, but it might also be the reduction in DHT (from soy).

As for equol, it's not a myth, and apparently it is efficient in blocking 5-alpha-reductase. The problem is that only about 30% of people convert soy isoflavones (mainly genistein and daidzein) into equol, and there's no cheap way of telling whether you're an equol producer or not.
 

Bryan

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JLL said:
As for equol, it's not a myth, and apparently it is efficient in blocking 5-alpha-reductase.

Equol doesn't block or inhibit 5a-reductase. It binds directly to the DHT molecule, inactivating it.
 

billythekid

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from personal experience, if you're not using finasteride and never have, then i think half a glass of soy milk morning and night would be slightly beneficial.

i think ccs argued that only some people's stomachs can make equol.
 

JLL

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Bryan said:
JLL said:
As for equol, it's not a myth, and apparently it is efficient in blocking 5-alpha-reductase.

Equol doesn't block or inhibit 5a-reductase. It binds directly to the DHT molecule, inactivating it.

OK, thanks for the correction. I was quoting from memory.
 

Petchsky

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Quite a lot of soy products now are Genetically Modified, depending on what country you live in. I try to avoid these, supplements should be fine.
 

JLL

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What's wrong with genetic engineering? No alarmist web site sources for any claims, please.
 

Brains Expel Hair

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Keep in mind that Soy contains high levels of plant estrogens that have differing effects on men and women. For every study you find showing that soy's perfectly fine for you, you can find one where it says men might not want to consume it. Consider that the US is the largest consumer of soy in the world and that it's used as a bulk filler in the vast majority of processed products in our supermarkets it's not hard to assume funding for pro-soy research is much easier to come by. It is known that estrogens consumed in the diet can have massively detrimental effects on males of any species including humans but estrogens are a very diverse group of steroids that can have different effects based on their form/source. Here's a study looking specifically at soy in male hormone levels:

Effects of replacing meat with soyabean in the diet on sex hormone concentrations in healthy adult males

Authors: Habito RC, Montalto J, Leslie E, Ball MJ
Published in: Br J Nutr, 84(4): 557-63 2000

A randomised crossover dietary intervention study was performed to evaluate the effects of replacing meat protein in the diet with a soyabean product, tofu, on blood concentrations of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, androstanediol glucuronide, oestradiol, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), and the free androgen index (total testosterone concentration/SHBG concentration x 100; FAI). Forty-two healthy adult males aged 35-62 years were studied. Diets were isoenergetic, with either 150 g lean meat or 290 g tofu daily providing an equivalent amount of macronutrients, with only the source of protein differing between the two diets. Each diet lasted for 4 weeks, with a 2-week interval between interventions. Fasting blood samples were taken between 07.00 and 09.30 hours. Urinary excretion of genistein and daidzein was significantly higher after the tofu diet (P < 0.001). Blood concentrations of sex hormones did not differ after the two diets, but the mean testosterone:eek:estradiol value was 10% higher (P = 0.06) after the meat diet. SHBG was 3% higher (P = 0.07), whereas the FAI was 7% lower (P = 0.06), after the tofu diet compared with the meat diet. There was a significant correlation between the difference in SHBG and testosterone:eek:estradiol and weight change. Adjusting for weight change revealed SHBG to be 8.8% higher on the tofu diet (mean difference 3 (95% CI 0.7, 5.2) nmol/l; P = 0.01) and testosterone:eek:estradiol to be significantly lower, P = 0.049). Thus, replacement of meat protein with soyabean protein, as tofu, may have a minor effect on biologically-active sex hormones, which could influence prostate cancer risk. However, other factors or mechanisms may also be responsible for the different incidence rates in men on different diets.
 
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