Squally's Story - (hairloss since 15. REPOST)

[squally]

sorry admins, I'm trying to get my thread to work - maybe the other thread had invalid bb codes - please delete them if you can.

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Hi,

I've been losing hair (receding hairline) since I was 15 years old. At first it was just a bit on both sides just above the temple then it got worse as the years went on.

http://hairlosstalk.com/research/img/norwood.gif
aged 16 - image 2
aged 18 - image 2a
aged 19 - image 3a

I'm currently 20 years old now and I'm not too far from 4a.

This has affected me miserably as I'm known by my peers as a strong person (personality wise) but deep down I'm breaking apart. and only my parents know of my problem as I conceal my problem well.

I know I should be happy with what I have and such but I just cannot help it so I decided to go on the net and do some research. I've read quite a few topics on here and over the net and I'm split down the middle.

Part of me wants to get this treated but the other half I ask why bother, there doesn't seem to be a an immediate solution; I've read people who have been on minoxidil for 20 years with no avail. - to me that is blind hope and makes me pessimistic with regards to my chances of finding a solution. However, I will do whatever it takes to at least have a few more years of joy back, to go to the beach with my friends and not be so reserved, to get close with a girlfriend and not be afraid of a freaked-out-reaction, to not have to wear a damn hat pretty much all the time and finally, to not feel ashamed.

It wouldn't bother me as much if I were in my 30s but I'm 20 for f-sake - There is this guy at work who is 25 and he has lost a lot of hair and everyone else talks about him and treat him like the butt of all jokes which terrifies me as I can empathise with him.


So I've decided to go a bit deeper and consider a Hair Transplant. I have no idea how many grafts im going to need but I'm hoping(after researching) that it can give me some years back (at least up until I'm in my 30s).

Here are my pics;



As you can see I've lost a lot - especially for my age .

I'm looking for a hair transplant to restore the front as i am currently not balding at the back or anywhere else - its just receding hairline - hair transplant seems to be a quick and easier solution then slapping on chemicals and having tablets everyday for years with little recovery plus i've read some good results on here so it seems better for me to go for a hair transplant.

How much does one expect my hair transplant would cost? I've saved up quite a bit of money already and probably plan to go for one within a month or so.

Many Thanks.

EDIT: woo, finally my topic works. :hairy:

 

[ANDREW_J_I]

^how much have u saved up?

hair multiplication/cloning should be out in a few years but it will start out very expensive to start with.

not that i know much about hair transplants, they will leave u a horizontal scar on the back of ur head, HM will not when that comes out i do beleive.


why dont u get on propecia, minoxidil and nizoral (The Big 3) and try ur luck with that?? its worth a shot. ul have to leave it for atleast 12 months before u seriously if they have worked well or not, then i suggest u consider a hair transplant if ur hearts set on it.

 

[Guest]

HM is expected to be cheaper than hair transplant, even if it isn´t the prices for hair transplant will fall dramatically when HM comes out.

And i don´t know why you consider a risky operation on your head an "easier solution" than taking one pill a day.

In your position I would start with the big 3 + some dietary supplements to maintain what I have got and save for HM.

 

[Guest]

Get on Propecia(finasteride) as soon as you can to maintain or slow your hair loss.

You can try minoxidil to fill in those areas if you want.

Also buy the Nizoral with 1% ketoconazole from your local grocery store or pharmacy or online for around $15. It's a 7 oz bottle that's over the counter.

 

[squally]

Andrew_J_I

^how much have u saved up?

hair multiplication/cloning should be out in a few years but it will start out very expensive to start with.

not that i know much about hair transplants, they will leave u a horizontal scar on the back of ur head, HM will not when that comes out i do beleive.


why dont u get on propecia, minoxidil and nizoral (The Big 3) and try ur luck with that?? its worth a shot. ul have to leave it for atleast 12 months before u seriously if they have worked well or not, then i suggest u consider a hair transplant if ur hearts set on it.

I have £1200 aside specifically for this hair transplant should I go for it. I will work 100 hours a week if I have to, to get whatever works. I know I should go and see a specialist but I thought I'd get some unbiased and honest answers through the net before going to these guys who want to take my £££s and will tell me what I want to hear rather than realitistic outcomes.

I did go on propecia for 2 months then I gave up, minoxidil for 1 month, I gave up..

Never hweard of Nizoral. What's that for?

I suppose I should give this a shot for about 6 months - Propecia sounds like a good solution and something I'd need to slow down this hairloss .

Taugenichts
HM is expected to be cheaper than hair transplant, even if it isn´t the prices for hair transplant will fall dramatically when HM comes out.

And i don´t know why you consider a risky operation on your head an "easier solution" than taking one pill a day.

In your position I would start with the big 3 + some dietary supplements to maintain what I have got and save for HM.

For me, Hair Management is something that drags me - I know I should prioriitise my hair if I'm serious enough but having to take tablets, put on minoxidil twice a day and get shampoo to remove the dry scalp because of the minoxidil seems like a expensive solution. plus it is not at all discreet.

Propecia = 50 dollars a month
minoxidil = 60 pounds a year
Nizoral - $15

x the rest of my life


OR a hair transplant plus propecia and I'm guarenteed the hair I want back in 12 months, not 12 years.

And yeah, I understand what you mean by risking myself for a head op but I'm desperate, beggers can't be choosers when it comes to a quick solution. I want my youthful look back and wouldn't care for baldness if i were older. The Hair Management solution seems one that is slow

As for Hair CLoning - That sounds interesting, how long is that off? any articles you can link me to?.

JayMan
Get on Propecia(finasteride) as soon as you can to maintain or slow your hair loss.

You can try minoxidil to fill in those areas if you want.

Also buy the Nizoral with 1% ketoconazole from your local grocery store or pharmacy or online for around $15. It's a 7 oz bottle that's over the counter.

Propecia, the one on HairlossTalk Shopping cart, I noticed it's not actually Propecia but the same stuff only cheaper, is that good enough?

I've got an old supply of Kirkland minoxidil which I've started used again a few days ago, we'll see how that goes.

Thanks, I will try Nizoral, never heard of that before.


I don't know if this is relevant to my hairloss but i do have a dandruff problem and a itchy scalp when I get hot (eg; after doing a lot of physical stuff like lifting or running or when its just plain hot). does anybody else get this? I'm very hygienic so i doubt it's that. :wink:

Thanks for all your replies.

 

[Guest]

if this site sells it and it's called finasteride then it';s guaranteed to be real.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Nizoral is an anti-dandruff shampoo, so it should help to make your scalp healthy.

 

[ANDREW_J_I]

why the hell du quite both treatments so early? if its to do with nothing happening, u cannot expect things to happen sometimes until the 6-12 months marks.

 

[CCS]

author,

measure the distance from the tip of the bottom of your nose to the lateral center/ vertical top of your eyebrow, and then from there to your hairline. Ideally, the ratio of the second distance to the first should be about 80%, but is OK between 70% and even 100%. Your temples should be about 1cm outside your eyebrows, and about 1.5 cm above them, and have a slope. Please tell me your measurments.

For a ballpark figure, if you need to lower your hairline 1cm and your brow is 22cm, and your temples are 4cm tall and need to be brought in 1cm, then you need to add 28 cm2 of hair. The maximun you can do is 30 micro grafts per cm2. Do not get mini grafts or slot grafts or punch grafts or plugs or you will look like a freak and have to do a comb over all the time. You want a flat hairline. Look at a lot of pictures and figure out where you want to draw yours, but use my estimates. I spend a year figuring that out. If you want, I'll PM you my email address and you can email me your pictures, and I will draw the hairline on for you.

28x30 = 840 grafts. They should be about $4.30 per graft at that number, which comes to $3600, and then in 6 months you will need another 20 per cm2 to reach half density, but I recommend another 30 to look thicker. So roughly $7000 for a strip micrograft procedure. Tell them not to go between hairs. The hair won't start growing out until 6 months after the procedure. You will have to get on finasteride or dutasteride to keep from loosing the rest of your hair.

And don't buy Propecia. Get Proscar and cut it in 4ths. Better yet, get dutas at http://www.inhousepharmacy.com and take two per week for $10 per month. One dutasteride pill per 5 days is as strong as 5mg finasteride every day, but due to the half-life, I suggest two per week. It is perfectly safe. The only risk is the small chance that the stuff is not real, but I will be testing it in a chemistry lab soon. Free shipping, no prescription.

And nizoral will last you 3 months, so only $5 per month. Minoxidil at http://www.minoxidildirect.com is 4 for $27 plus shipping. Also get a cheap SOD, like folligen. Read my other posts for the cheapest regimen. Just see what you can regrow while you save up. You could save yourself some money on the grafts, and you have to take the pills anyway.

 

[squally]

why the hell du quite both treatments so early? if its to do with nothing happening, u cannot expect things to happen sometimes until the 6-12 months marks.

Yeah, I know - I had to stop it after going temporarily sharing a room where privacy was not possible - i noticed even more shedding and thought it was making it worse but now that I've researched properly, I understand it's part of the process.

Also, just want to ask that I read on the Kirkland that I should have 2ml but i don't need that much, i use 0.5ml and use the dropper to release droplets around my bald spots and then use my fingertips to 'paste' it around to get more coverage and to stop it dripping onto my face - is that an okay method? I wash my fingers thoroughly after.

 

[squally]

author,

measure the distance from the tip of the bottom of your nose to the lateral center/ vertical top of your eyebrow, and then from there to your hairline. Ideally, the ratio of the second distance to the first should be about 80%, but is OK between 70% and even 100%. Your temples should be about 1cm outside your eyebrows, and about 1.5 cm above them, and have a slope. Please tell me your measurments.

For a ballpark figure, if you need to lower your hairline 1cm and your brow is 22cm, and your temples are 4cm tall and need to be brought in 1cm, then you need to add 28 cm2 of hair. The maximun you can do is 30 micro grafts per cm2. Do not get mini grafts or slot grafts or punch grafts or plugs or you will look like a freak and have to do a comb over all the time. You want a flat hairline. Look at a lot of pictures and figure out where you want to draw yours, but use my estimates. I spend a year figuring that out. If you want, I'll PM you my email address and you can email me your pictures, and I will draw the hairline on for you.

28x30 = 840 grafts. They should be about $4.30 per graft at that number, which comes to $3600, and then in 6 months you will need another 20 per cm2 to reach half density, but I recommend another 30 to look thicker. So roughly $7000 for a strip micrograft procedure. Tell them not to go between hairs. The hair won't start growing out until 6 months after the procedure. You will have to get on finasteride or dutasteride to keep from loosing the rest of your hair.

And don't buy Propecia. Get Proscar and cut it in 4ths. Better yet, get dutas at http://www.inhousepharmacy.com and take two per week for $10 per month. One dutasteride pill per 5 days is as strong as 5mg finasteride every day, but due to the half-life, I suggest two per week. It is perfectly safe. The only risk is the small chance that the stuff is not real, but I will be testing it in a chemistry lab soon. Free shipping, no prescription.

And nizoral will last you 3 months, so only $5 per month. Minoxidil at http://www.minoxidil.com is 4 for $27 plus shipping. Also get a cheap SOD, like folligen. Read my other posts for the cheapest regimen. Just see what you can regrow while you save up. You could save yourself some money on the grafts, and you have to take the pills anyway.

Hi, Thanks - I will post back later with measurements.

 

[CCS]

Oops, that's minoxidildirect.com, not minoxidil.com. Dr Lee will charge you an arm and a leg, though he does have the option of PPG free minoxidil and fast drying minoxidil.

I just don't understand why he claims to believe in azelaic acid when it so obviously does not work. He should use GLA instead, or ALA if price is a concern.

 

[CCS]

i also need to know how much higher the sides of the top hairline are compared to the center.

 

[squally]

Tip of Nose - Eyebrow Top = 7 1/2cm
Eyebrow Top - Hairline ----=8 cm (7 3/4 bit to the left and right of the central line)

Outer Eyebrow to Temple - varies, depends on where to measure. 2cm gap from the side of my eyebow where to curves down to temple.

-------\ <-------i measured from just above the curve


The hairstyle I nearly always have is;
http://spanish.matrix.com/images/hairst ... ens_10.jpg
but obviously my hairline is receding badly that its not as easy to cover up.

I never have a number 1 or 2 haircut, i like the messy volume'd hair look which plays to my advantage should I get a hair transplant.


Yeah, I've seen the plugs transplants, they look ridiculous - something I will definately avoid.

I have taken the liberty to attach a few more pics of what I would like to achieve. I can also supply you with un-edited images if you can think of a better marking/recovery.






Obviously My lines are not drawn accurately but as you can see, I would like to fullfill my frontal area;

So 3600 pounds for me to get my hair looking thicker. What happens to my donation area? how can a small strip consolidate a large area of hair loss without hairloss occuring at the back? What happens to the hair inplanted in my bald spot in 10 years time? would that also fall out? how about the hairline above the artificial input of my hair, wouldn't that recede and then i would have an odd line of baldness above my operation area? - Oh right, I just read what you said with regards to the finasteride, would I still need minoxidil?

And don't buy Propecia. Get Proscar and cut it in 4ths. Better yet, get dutas at http://www.inhousepharmacy.com and take two per week for $10 per month. One dutasteride pill per 5 days is as strong as 5mg finasteride every day, but due to the half-life, I suggest two per week. It is perfectly safe. The only risk is the small chance that the stuff is not real, but I will be testing it in a chemistry lab soon. Free shipping, no prescription.

That actually sounds much better. Having to take tablets everyday would not be ideal for me. I like that idea however you're the only one who has suggested this (no disrespect intended, I greatly appreciate your advice.) I would like to read up on this and hear other opinions

Oops, that's minoxidildirect.com, not minoxidil.com. Dr Lee will charge you an arm and a leg, though he does have the option of PPG free minoxidil and fast drying minoxidil.

Yeah, When I first inquired about my hairloss at some clinic, they quoted me 600 pounds for minoxidil for a year's supply. That scared me away (I was about 17 at the time) and then a couple of years later I found supplies over the net to be far cheaper.

i also need to know how much higher the sides of the top hairline are compared to the center.

9 and 1/2 CM from top corner of eyebrow.

the perimeter of the receding sides (image 2 above) at 7 1/2, 7 and 5 1/2. an area which i wish to recover.

many thanks for your advice -

 

[squally]

bump.

 

[Follically Challenged]

So 3600 pounds for me to get my hair looking thicker.

My guess is a good Doctor will charge you 7,500 to 8,500 pounds for an area that size.

What happens to my donation area? how can a small strip consolidate a large area of hair loss without hairloss occuring at the back?

They make the incision, remove the donor strip and then stretch the skin that remains to be able to put your scalp back together.

What happens to the hair inplanted in my bald spot in 10 years time? would that also fall out?

Hiar from the back of the head is DHT resistant, so it won't fall out.

how about the hairline above the artificial input of my hair, wouldn't that recede and then i would have an odd line of baldness above my operation area? - Oh right, I just read what you said with regards to the finasteride, would I still need minoxidil?

That depends. Propecia is pretty good for maintaining, so you may be able to get away without using anything else. I don't really know. Others here could answer that better than i could.