Tellogen Effluvium Is The Reason For Most Bad finasteride/dutasteride/minoxidil Hair Outcomes

[ScienceofHair]

These drugs are notorious for causing telogen effluvium, otherwise known as the shedding phase, in women the disease is common during the postpartum phase with hormonal fluctuations, but in their case the hair comes back full on because women do not also generally have androgenic allopecia, which is what is causing you to go on these meds in the first place.

Problem is, these two afflictions in tandem can rapidly destroy a head of hair, because the effluvium is kiling off hair cycles and the androgenic alopecia is minaturizating growth in typical male pattern baldness zones when they grown back, thinnner, shorter and fall out quicker, on to killing off the next hair cycle.

The people who survive this chain reaction likely only have minor male pattern baldness genes/an or are not affected by Telogen Effluvium to a serious extent.

But know that you are taking a chance no matter how desperate you are to maintain.

 

[BadInvertor]

What i find odd is that i saw a lot of posts of people who had really decent hair before any treatment.. And i am one of them... After starting treatment, may it be finasteride but especially MIN, after even a couple of months, after stoppage of the treatment, a horror Telogen Effluvium started and by the time it was over, the hair is simply destroyed and never comes back to the normal state or at least around the normal state of the hair that was before the starting of the treatment... And the only explanation people have is that until the Telogen Effluvium stopped, the baldness advanced to that point of pattern... I find it really hard to believe in every case, especially in people who had and have a really slow balding pattern, that were really slowly balding before treatments, and right after starting them and stopping them, even if they took it only for a few months, a rapid acceleration of that pattern occurred...
Even doctors say this even if there is not even one f*****g scientific literature regarding this subject, just assumptions and i really am disgusted when people come with photos and proof that their hair was destroyed and that they hair loss accelerated by this meds and people offend them and give them shitty explanations gotten right out of their ignorant asses just because they heard it all over the place, and because that means it must be that way, if all others think it is and even if there is no scientific evidence for it !

https://www.baldtruthtaIk.com/threads/19815-Rogaine-destroyed-my-life.

In the same pattern like this guy it wrecked my hair also, the first time i tried it, the second was worse and i never recovered from the first time, i'm sure i will never recover from the second also... It changed the texture of my hair, the way it grows and how it feels, even the color, it feels lifeless, and i really think it alters the cycles on a way long term than people know and think and maybe even more changes that we don't know, and maybe true that maybe until the hair fully recovers your baldness advances into that point !

 

[Baldy12345]

That’s why I think you need to start out with very small doses of finastride and then move ur way up with the dosage or even start off with small amounts of topical finastride, this way your body won’t have to deal with a sudden hormonal fluctuation. If your theory is correct I think this should be a simple fix.

 

[ScienceofHair]

That’s why I think you need to start out with very small doses of finastride and then move ur way up with the dosage or even start off with small amounts of topical finastride, this way your body won’t have to deal with a sudden hormonal fluctuation. If your theory is correct I think this should be a simple fix.

A tapering method is always a good idea to avoid sides but we are dealing with hormones so it might backfire if unstable hormones are present for a longer period of time. Definitely worth a try though and good idea.

I'm not interested in using this drug myself, but if anyone wants to give a try we should try to establish a protocol.

Remember though, bail out the first signs of noticeable minaturization because that means it's not working, shedding should not be the focus unless it is too severe.

If the hair that grows back is noticably lighter,and/or thinner in terms of shaft density you are not a good responder.

If the Telogen Effluvium is too severe you are also not a good responder.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Most people claim minoxidil is the biggest player in causing a massive shed. The reason it does that is because it's a growth stimulate. Minoxidil causes you to shed hairs that were not ready to shed. It basically causes premature shedding and then it synchronizes your shedding so that you shed more hairs than you normally would if you did not use the treatment.

Most people will recover but it may take a few hair cycles to do it but most people panic and quit before they get to that point. Dutasteride and Finasteride are not great growth stimulators but they will create a temporary abnormal balance in your hormones and possibly cause a temporary shed but once your body reaches a homeostasis your cycles should eventually return to normal.

I noticed most people shed on finasteride around the 8 month mark. But sometimes that is because they start adding minoxidil around that time since finasteride does not seem to be doing too much. If someone has aggressive balding then they will continue to lose hair on these treatments but maybe at a slower rate. And there are certain people who carry a gene marker that will dictate they will most likely be a poor responder to finasteride. Unfortunately, the company that tested for that gene is out of business.

 

[ScienceofHair]

Most people claim minoxidil is the biggest player in causing a massive shed. The reason it does that is because it's a growth stimulate. Minoxidil causes you to shed hairs that were not ready to shed. It basically causes premature shedding and then it synchronizes your shedding so that you shed more hairs than you normally would if you did not use the treatment.

Most people will recover but it may take a few hair cycles to do it but most people panic and quit before they get to that point. Dutasteride and Finasteride are not great growth stimulators but they will create a temporary abnormal balance in your hormones and possibly cause a temporary shed but once your body reaches a homeostasis your cycles should eventually return to normal.

I noticed most people shed on finasteride around the 8 month mark. But sometimes that is because they start adding minoxidil around that time since finasteride does not seem to be doing too much. If someone has aggressive balding then they will continue to lose hair on these treatments but maybe at a slower rate. And there are certain people who carry a gene marker that will dictate they will most likely be a poor responder to finasteride. Unfortunately, the company that tested for that gene is out of business.

I think there are outliers to everything though and they make their way to forums like these. People of this forum range from BDD to outlier balding cases worsened by these meds. There is no real difference between Telogen Effluvium and Rogaine shed in people who not respond well to Rogaine, and there is no real difference between people who are balding and people who's hair has miniaturized rapidly because of these meds. There are more than enough pics here to support these claims and it's not overly difficult to spot if you know what you are looking for.

 

[mannyFJ]

I wish I knew this prior to touching finasteride but Telogen Effluvium isn't mentioned as a side! I’m recovering from the Telogen Effluvium caused by finasteride. Hopefully I’m able to regain my baseline back.

 

[mannyFJ]

I think there are outliers to everything though and they make their way to forums like these. People of this forum range from BDD to outlier balding cases worsened by these meds. There is no real difference between Telogen Effluvium and Rogaine shed in people who not respond well to Rogaine, and there is no real difference between people who are balding and people who's hair has miniaturized rapidly because of these meds. There are more than enough pics here to support these claims and it's not overly difficult to spot if you know what you are looking for.

Min has never caused me to shed. Never had Telogen Effluvium until I touched finasteride.

 

[mannyFJ]

Most people claim minoxidil is the biggest player in causing a massive shed. The reason it does that is because it's a growth stimulate. Minoxidil causes you to shed hairs that were not ready to shed. It basically causes premature shedding and then it synchronizes your shedding so that you shed more hairs than you normally would if you did not use the treatment.

Most people will recover but it may take a few hair cycles to do it but most people panic and quit before they get to that point. Dutasteride and Finasteride are not great growth stimulators but they will create a temporary abnormal balance in your hormones and possibly cause a temporary shed but once your body reaches a homeostasis your cycles should eventually return to normal.

I noticed most people shed on finasteride around the 8 month mark. But sometimes that is because they start adding minoxidil around that time since finasteride does not seem to be doing too much. If someone has aggressive balding then they will continue to lose hair on these treatments but maybe at a slower rate. And there are certain people who carry a gene marker that will dictate they will most likely be a poor responder to finasteride. Unfortunately, the company that tested for that gene is out of business.

I totally disagree. finasteride gave me chronic Telogen Effluvium and I gave finasteride 15+ months for the Telogen Effluvium to go away but it didn’t. min never caused me to have Telogen Effluvium and/or sheds. I used it prior to finasteride

 

[mannyFJ]

A tapering method is always a good idea to avoid sides but we are dealing with hormones so it might backfire if unstable hormones are present for a longer period of time. Definitely worth a try though and good idea.

I'm not interested in using this drug myself, but if anyone wants to give a try we should try to establish a protocol.

Remember though, bail out the first signs of noticeable minaturization because that means it's not working, shedding should not be the focus unless it is too severe.

If the hair that grows back is noticably lighter,and/or thinner in terms of shaft density you are not a good responder.

If the Telogen Effluvium is too severe you are also not a good responder.

I tapered up and tapered down and still had sides but it’s best to do so with any drugs so body adjust. Some ppl who quit finasteride started having sides but when on it didn’t. When I first quit finasteride by tapering down (from microdose to topical finasteride). I got sides very low sex drive to barely any semen output. When I started finasteride back up again those sides went away but Telogen Effluvium came back

 

[ScienceofHair]

The drugs effect people differently. This is the problem everyone has such a wide range of experiences.

I think the rule of thumb here, is that if it hits you hard in shedding department and you see more miniaturized hair then the drug won't work and you should gtfo asasp.

More shedding is expected but it shouldn't be an absurd amount, nor should any of your follicles miniaturize.

If you are sensitive to Telogen Effluvium nothing is likely to work great if you have AA. You can try minoxidil and finasteride since they work by different mechanisms but look for agressive symptoms and be wary.

 

[mannyFJ]

Most people claim minoxidil is the biggest player in causing a massive shed. The reason it does that is because it's a growth stimulate. Minoxidil causes you to shed hairs that were not ready to shed. It basically causes premature shedding and then it synchronizes your shedding so that you shed more hairs than you normally would if you did not use the treatment.

Most people will recover but it may take a few hair cycles to do it but most people panic and quit before they get to that point. Dutasteride and Finasteride are not great growth stimulators but they will create a temporary abnormal balance in your hormones and possibly cause a temporary shed but once your body reaches a homeostasis your cycles should eventually return to normal.

I noticed most people shed on finasteride around the 8 month mark. But sometimes that is because they start adding minoxidil around that time since finasteride does not seem to be doing too much. If someone has aggressive balding then they will continue to lose hair on these treatments but maybe at a slower rate. And there are certain people who carry a gene marker that will dictate they will most likely be a poor responder to finasteride. Unfortunately, the company that tested for that gene is out of business.

HLV AKA DOCTORHOUSE. JUST CUZ YOU’RE A SENIOR MEMBER DOESN’T EXCUSE YOUR TROLLING AND MULTIPLE NICKS GOING AGAINST TOS. I DISLIKE ONE OF YOUR POST AND YOU WENT APE sh*t

 

[ScienceofHair]

 

[-Synergy-]

The drugs effect people differently. This is the problem everyone has such a wide range of experiences.

I think the rule of thumb here, is that if it hits you hard in shedding department and you see more miniaturized hair then the drug won't work and you should gtfo asasp.

More shedding is expected but it shouldn't be an absurd amount, nor should any of your follicles miniaturize.

If you are sensitive to Telogen Effluvium nothing is likely to work great if you have AA. You can try minoxidil and finasteride since they work by different mechanisms but look for agressive symptoms and be wary.

I agree but also Telogen Effluvium could be a good sign treatment is working. I think inflammation and abnormal scalp sensations during Telogen Effluvium from hair loss treatments determine a positive or negative outcome. Many have reported shedding then significant regrowth and maintenance. Take AnxiousAndy and oral minoxidil as an example. These people never reported crawling sensations or inflammation of the scalp. The many posts I have read claiming strange sensations seem to never have good outcomes. Must be a rejection from the body that needs to be somehow compromised.

 

[kopiko4]

Same here... And all my hair miniaturized in only 4 months... If there's anything that improved/stabilized your situation, please let me know.