Testing Generic finasteride and dutasteride for authenticity

[yonister]

We are a bunch of guys from an isareli Forum which is similar to hairlosstalk. *(just in hebrew .
http://www.lifa.co.il
We all participated for labaratory test of Dr Reddy's Dutas in comparisson to Avodart. The lab will check the differences in active ingridient quantities. We will use the dutas that we bought at housepharmacy.com and duprost we bought at unitedpharmacies.com.
There have been some suggestions that the dutas is not as storng and we wanted to find out the real facts of the matter. Even though most of us believe dutas is "for real".results will come in approx 2 weeks and I will post here aswell.
I guess the answer to that will remove some doubts about most of the generic hairloss medicine that a lot us use and that why im posting this messege in this thread.

 

[Idaho X]

Thanks. I bet the generics are ok, but it's nice to know for sure.

 

[87david]

Thanks very much. I'll stay tuned...

 

[global]

Nice, thanks for sharing.

 

[yonister]

Sure we are happy to help. This question has been asked so many times so we felt obligated to to find out the answer once and for all.
I will post the scanned Doctor as soon as I have it.
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[not me!]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Many of the drugs (generic or no) shipped illegally into the U.S. and confisgated have been mixed batches of legitimate and completely fake medications. If you recieve the generics from the manufacturer, then this removes doubt that the generics are to blame. However, what about the rogue distributors that ship some good batches and some counterfeit batches? Are you going to test each and every shipment?

 

[yonister]

Ok, so we will call the whole thing off.
Listen, we thought about it aswell and offcourse we knew people will come and say what your saying right now. You cant please everyone, for us, if the results will be good, it will give a peace of mind.
We took pills from many of the forum members.
We all buy our pills at the same pharmacy (Housepharmacy)
but got it at different times so it will be mixed "batches" of shipment. Even if I will get a suger pill out of every 10 pills , it will be alright because dutas have long half life :lol:
Have you ever heard about fake dutas or finpecia? I know there fake v**** and cialis around, but what's the point of faking Dutas? Or what will be the point of an online pharmacy to buy fake dutas and damage their business reputation when the original dr reddy's is so cheap?
Or even more, if someone is already faking medicine professionally, in a way we the daily users cant tell, wouldn't he be better of faking the brand name and not the generic????

 

[not me!]

Ok, so we will call the whole thing off.
Listen, we thought about it aswell and offcourse we knew people will come and say what your saying right now. You cant please everyone, for us, if the results will be good, it will give a peace of mind.
We took pills from many of the forum members.
We all buy our pills at the same pharmacy (Housepharmacy)
but got it at different times so it will be mixed "batches" of shipment. Even if I will get a suger pill out of every 10 pills , it will be alright because dutas have long half life :lol:
Have you ever heard about fake dutas or finpecia? I know there fake v**** and cialis around, but what's the point of faking Dutas? Or what will be the point of an online pharmacy to buy fake dutas and damage their business reputation when the original dr reddy's is so cheap?
Or even more, if someone is already faking medicine professionally, in a way we the daily users cant tell, wouldn't he be better of faking the brand name and not the generic????

So you're saying that you would rather have a dud pill out of every 10 just to save a few bucks a month? What if that dud pill happens not to be a sugar pill and something less forgiving? There are many people out there that have severe allergic reactions to a whole host of different things. Have you not even thought about the consequences of someone mixing in some ingredient that is not listed on the drugs' information pack and some unknowing poor guy ingesting this? Of course you haven't...

What is someone's point in faking Dutas? Are you kidding me? Money! I'm not saying that Dr. Reddys or Cipla is faking Dutasteride. I'm saying that the distributors are. It has been documented so many times I can't count:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003- ... rugs_x.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3331985.stm

http://www.fda.gov/oc/speeches/2005/cou ... t0920.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/ ... 5220.shtml

Those links were found under a simple google search.

Thanks :roll: for your benevolent gesture of testing these generic drugs :roll: . I'm sure that HousePharmacy (who you didn't neglect to bold print :roll: ) will appreciate the advertising.

 

[global]

I'm not sure of the point your making, both generic dutasteride and brand name avodart can be faked.

Even buying your meds in a pharmacy on prescription doesn't GUARANTEE it will be genuine since there have been cases of fake medications making their way into the supply chain.

What he is doing by testing the dutasteride from Dr. reddy's IMO is a good thing at it may give some peace of mind to the many people who use it and lets us see that the manufacturer is genuine at least.

Also none of the links you posted were specifically related to fake dutasteride, in fact most counterfeit drugs target high cost items like anti aids drugs or drugs with a very big market such as cholesterol drugs, from one of the links you posted -

"...drugs taken to treat chronic conditions such as high blood pressure or high cholesterol, which seem to be among the preferred targets of the counterfeiters."

Personally I feel that dutasteride is probably quite safe from counterfeiters although I have no specific evidence for that.

Please post your results Alexx.

 

[yonister]

Sure I will.
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Not me- You are really taking the fun out everything(are you always like that?). There is a bunch a people that cared enough to to do something about all of the doubts for generics(going through the hassle, spending money etc...), so why are you belittling it?

What are you saying, we shouldn't do it?? It is pointless. if this is your attitude, why are you trying to fight baldness? you know that chances are against us.

 

[HairlossTalk]

Im a little confused about this.

I have attempted to have a Finasteride Assay done here in the USA and have been told by several testing centers that it costs literally thousands upon thousands of dollars to conduct an accurate assay.

The materials and methods and tools used to do it need to be finely tuned and it has to be custom set up.

Are you sure you guys aren't getting taken for a ride??? It quite simply was not an option here in the states ... if we wanted it to be done right.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[Radio]

In the UK there is a "suck 'em and see" service available for around £12.

 

[not me!]

Er...being skeptical towards an industry that is littered with scams is "taking the fun out of things"?

I highly doubt it.

Go ahead and post your results. I'm confident Housepharmacy is very interested in seeing that you do.

 

[yonister]

This is the lab http://www.bactochem.co.il/ , I believe they are legit.
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Not me-
Whatever dude. You probably just like to go into this arguements to make yourself feel better about paying more money for brand names. I can only wish I could afford it myself, but I dont so I have to for generic version. Do you feel better now?

 

[johnny1290]

This is the lab http://www.bactochem.co.il/ , I believe they are legit.
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Not me-
Whatever dude. I really dont feel like talking to you about it. You said it twice already, and I am trying to ignore it. I am not accoiated with any pharmacy. You probably just like to go into this arguements to make yourself feel better about paying more money for brand names. I wish I could afford it myself, but I dont so I have to for generic version. Do you feel better now?

There are always haters on every board, I don't get it myself, but for some reason this topic brings em out in droves! Thanks for doing the study and posting the results. More people are dying to see the results than the posts here will tell you. Truth is everybody wants to know, but we've never been able to afford to get the tests done before. Thanks!

 

[not me!]

I'm sorry that it looks like I am a "hater" and "taking the fun out of things" because I am urging guys to think carefully about the medications they are buying over the 'net. Tell me, gentlemen, is it really a deal to buy discounted generic medication when, in fact, that generic medication may not actually be the same as the original? To me, that is more expensive in the long run.

By the way, whatever happened to this guy and the results he promised? He said he would be back in two weeks, but it has been a month-and-a-half and nothing has been posted.

 

[Brandon Mthson]

Can anybody write hebrew?

I've posted a query at that site regarding what their results were. The site is in the hebrew language pack though, so I don't know if my post will show up on their computers as gibberish or as english. If anybody can write hebrew, that would be great if they wanted to post a query there in hebrew.

(I'll post here if I get a response)

 

[Brandon Mthson]

Response: "This should happen not later then mid januar

They say they've been getting the money and pills together, and need to get these things to the lab with which they've been talking. A site admin posted the following response:

"We will post the lab results, scanned and translated to english(by the lab), in hairsite.com and regrowth.com. This should happen not later then mid january."

http://www.lifa.co.il/viewtopic.php?p=3923#3923

 

[not me!]

Damn, man. Just how did you manage to sign in and navigate your way around that forum? Good job! 8)

 

[Brandon Mthson]

Haha.. I noticed their forum software was the same as here, so I suspected I would be able to create an account and post a message by looking at the corresponding english pages here.