Testosteron Replacement And Finasteride

[JamesDown]

Im 26 years old, Norwood 3 and balding since 4 years.
I will start with Finasteride 1mg per day. To fulfill my androgenic functions, and minimize side effects, i will start also with Testosteron replacement therapy (150mg e5d). Its because my natural T levels are at the lower end of the reference scale.
What should i take first? Finasteride or the first T injection?

 

[DiffThinner35]

Definitely start with finasteride asap.

 

[badhabiz]

Finasteride and testosterone at the same time are a very bad idea.
Consult your MD that will confirm to you that 5Ar inhibitors will rise (in the first place) testosterone (inhibiting good% of dht) that - in its excess part - will be converted into estrogens and you want still push this testo?
The only thing you gonna get is more estrogens and more side effects.
Not to mention that exogenous testosterone is an extreme choice and you can end up depending on it, because your testicular production is affected by these injections and may not produce it anymore. Its a choice for life in some cases.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322544.php
If you want to try finasteride, lets give it a shot, and if you suffer from dht deprivation you will find another way to cure your baldness or you will start dopamine agonists or Boron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21129941
I know there's some medical history of this therapy but its in older men with low bone mineral density.

 

[athlete97]

Finasteride and testosterone at the same time are a very bad idea.
Consult your MD that will confirm to you that 5Ar inhibitors will rise (in the first place) testosterone (inhibiting good% of dht) that - in its excess part - will be converted into estrogens and you want still push this testo?
The only thing you gonna get is more estrogens and more side effects.
Not to mention that exogenous testosterone is an extreme choice and you can end up depending on it, because your testicular production is affected by these injections and may not produce it anymore. Its a choice for life in some cases.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322544.php
If you want to try finasteride, lets give it a shot, and if you suffer from dht deprivation you will find another way to cure your baldness or you will start dopamine agonists or Boron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21129941
I know there's some medical history of this therapy but its in older men with low bone mineral density.

First off, finasteride increases test VERY minimally. I just got blood work done to confirm that there is barely a noticeable increase.

Second, he is 26 so he should have higher T levels. Assuming he is talking about pharma grade TRT (and not underground) then he would have been prescribed it from a doctor. Doctors don't just prescribe TRT to 26 year olds that easy. I am assuming OP has already inhibited his T levels through AAS or whatever means (hence why he is needing TRT @ 26 y/o.

Thirdly, most bodybuilders use finasteride (among other things such as RU) to combat and prevent hairloss while on mega doses of numerous steroids, not just a low dose of test...He is completely fine and it would not have any cross effect at all.

I am extremely knowledgable in this field and have myself looked into it. The fact of the matter is that using finasteride to combat DHT for hair loss isn't the only issue. Testosterone has an anabolic to androgenic ratio of 100-100 (which I am sure you know since you seem like you have AAS knowledge) When depleting DHT and adding exogenous testosterone, this will most certainly cause more hair loss. Say your T levels naturally are at 500 and taking Finasteride (which depletes DHT usually by only 65-70%) means you are naturally blocking 70% of the 500 ng/dl T levels. Adding more testosterone which for a TRT dose like you said would put you around 1000 ng/dl of Test. Once again, finasteride depletes this 1000 level only 65-70% which means you have way more DHT and testosterone than before.

Another example of this is the reason why you can grow facial hair and body hair (androgenic functions) while having zero DHT. Guys on Dutasteride which nukes their DHT still have androgenic effects...why? Because Testosterone also fulfills androgenic levels.

Sorry for the long rant, I was in the exact same boat as I am a bodybuilder fighting hair loss. If you need anymore information shoot me a message.

 

[badhabiz]

First off, finasteride increases test VERY minimally. I just got blood work done to confirm that there is barely a noticeable increase.

Second, he is 26 so he should have higher T levels. Assuming he is talking about pharma grade TRT (and not underground) then he would have been prescribed it from a doctor. Doctors don't just prescribe TRT to 26 year olds that easy. I am assuming OP has already inhibited his T levels through AAS or whatever means (hence why he is needing TRT @ 26 y/o.

Thirdly, most bodybuilders use finasteride (among other things such as RU) to combat and prevent hairloss while on mega doses of numerous steroids, not just a low dose of test...He is completely fine and it would not have any cross effect at all.

I am extremely knowledgable in this field and have myself looked into it. The fact of the matter is that using finasteride to combat DHT for hair loss isn't the only issue. Testosterone has an anabolic to androgenic ratio of 100-100 (which I am sure you know since you seem like you have AAS knowledge) When depleting DHT and adding exogenous testosterone, this will most certainly cause more hair loss. Say your T levels naturally are at 500 and taking Finasteride (which depletes DHT usually by only 65-70%) means you are naturally blocking 70% of the 500 ng/dl T levels. Adding more testosterone which for a TRT dose like you said would put you around 1000 ng/dl of Test. Once again, finasteride depletes this 1000 level only 65-70% which means you have way more DHT and testosterone than before.

Another example of this is the reason why you can grow facial hair and body hair (androgenic functions) while having zero DHT. Guys on Dutasteride which nukes their DHT still have androgenic effects...why? Because Testosterone also fulfills androgenic levels.

Sorry for the long rant, I was in the exact same boat as I am a bodybuilder fighting hair loss. If you need anymore information shoot me a message.

Sexual hormones and precursors are all about balance.
Not sure you're considering that adding more T while depleting dht will spyke estrogens with the consequences.
The fact that most bodybuilders do that is not so comforting to me..
But of course you're right when you say that a 26y old should have higher T and this T is obvs prescribed by a doctor...not sure the doctor knows about the finasteride tho

 

[JamesDown]

I am low T since 3 years, and yes the doctor prescribed me Testosteron Gel, but i never took it. Now i want to start trt on my own. For e2 problems, i have also arimidex (0,5 e3d) ready. I think its a bad idea to take finasteride with low t levels, because with less dht, a high level of t should compensate for the androgen loss. Is it a good idea to start with both on the same day, or should i first hop on trt, and stack the first finasteride pill after 1-2 weeks, when t levels are high enough? Is the side effect risk of finasteride bigger, if somebody has low t?

 

[Matt3535]

Finasteride and testosterone at the same time are a very bad idea.
Consult your MD that will confirm to you that 5Ar inhibitors will rise (in the first place) testosterone (inhibiting good% of dht) that - in its excess part - will be converted into estrogens and you want still push this testo?
The only thing you gonna get is more estrogens and more side effects.
Not to mention that exogenous testosterone is an extreme choice and you can end up depending on it, because your testicular production is affected by these injections and may not produce it anymore. Its a choice for life in some cases.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322544.php
If you want to try finasteride, lets give it a shot, and if you suffer from dht deprivation you will find another way to cure your baldness or you will start dopamine agonists or Boron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21129941
I know there's some medical history of this therapy but its in older men with low bone mineral density.

I have been getting testosterone replacements for 12+ years and started taking finasteride this year after my prescribed it for me without hesitating. So either she's reckless or this doesn't add up.

 

[badhabiz]

I have been getting testosterone replacements for 12+ years and started taking finasteride this year after my prescribed it for me without hesitating. So either she's reckless or this doesn't add up.

I have been getting testosterone replacements for 12+ years and started taking finasteride this year after my prescribed it for me without hesitating. So either she's reckless or this doesn't add up.

Of course if you're in absolute need of T you have to take it
But these are the effects of fina on serum T and Estradiol ("significantly")
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8957695/
I wish you all the best but in the long run i see that estrogens/estradiol would be over the scale if taken with exogenous T
But still, of course hope im wrong. In Italy, i never seen these two therapies prescribed together. Bye

 

[ZZmop]

Give this thread a read before taking finasteride

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...-overview-of-this-devastating-disease.123852/

 

[hemingway_the_mercenary]

Doing TRT at the age of 26 is retarded beyond another level.

Do clomid every other day or 2x a week at 25mg per dose and that will increase your testosterone by 40-60% while also helping your sperm production instead of hurting it like TRT would

 

[badhabiz]

I am low T since 3 years, and yes the doctor prescribed me Testosteron Gel, but i never took it. Now i want to start trt on my own. For e2 problems, i have also arimidex (0,5 e3d) ready. I think its a bad idea to take finasteride with low t levels, because with less dht, a high level of t should compensate for the androgen loss. Is it a good idea to start with both on the same day, or should i first hop on trt, and stack the first finasteride pill after 1-2 weeks, when t levels are high enough? Is the side effect risk of finasteride bigger, if somebody has low t?

Finasteride pushes T since inhibits dht so elevates also estrogens (since T cant convert to dht) if you add T to this disbalance you can imagine where estro can go
Its balance you cant replace what you inhibit

 

[JamesDown]

Finasteride pushes T since inhibits dht so elevates also estrogens (since T cant convert to dht) if you add T to this disbalance you can imagine where estro can go
Its balance you cant replace what you inhibit

And what about teenagers with really high T? Do they also get into problems with Estrogen? A normal trt will only bring me to high range levels, that young guys have naturally.

 

[badhabiz]

And what about teenagers with really high T? Do they also get into problems with Estrogen? A normal trt will only bring me to high range levels, that young guys have naturally.

its one thing to have high T naturally,
but another to introduce it on regular basis. (Hormones are all about balance)
Because it will raise estrogens - it will be converted by aromatase enzyme, expecially if you inhibits dht in the same moment.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16386416/
Otherwise, everyone would be prescribed of this treatment while using finasteride
Not mentioning the fact you may- or may not- end up depending on it
When one introduces exogenous testosterone, whether it is topical or injectable, what we see is [gonadotropin-releasing hormone] is turned off, gonadotropins decrease, and we see a corresponding decrease in testosterone within the testes and an associated turnoff of sperm production,”
https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/reproduction-androgen-disorders/news/online/{027a4c7b-74f0-4f3a-a30f-0c24bd4365bd}/low-dose-hcg-can-prevent-sterility-in-men-prescribed-testosterone.
So, just my humble opinion, if you re in medical need of T just take it, but dont use drugs that inhibits dht with it.