The Cure To Hair Already Came Out...and We All Saw It Everyone Ignored It...and It’s Natural

[Bornwithacurse225]

Remember when this study came out:

https://perfecthairhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Pumpkin-Seed-Oil-Hair-Regrowth.jpg

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2014/549721/

http://www.msfullhair.com/pumpkin-seed-oil-for-hair-loss-study-review/amp/

https://perfecthairhealth.com/pumpkin-seed-oil-hair-loss-study-what-you-didnt-know/

and it said “pumpkin seed oil cures hair loss” but it wasnt pumpkin seed oil that was used it was pumpkin seed plus a bunch of other stuff. It’s a medicine called “octa sabal plus” in Korea and if you look it up theres videos on youtube of studies and people growing hair with it and pictures and studies all over google.

I looked it up and other people said it too and the only answers were “theres other stuff in it too” ok throw it out or “i tried pumpkin seed oil it doesnt work” but no one ever bothered to go in depth with this. Why? I see people spending sh*tloads of money on other stuff

Here’s a list of raw ingredients:

Octacosanols
Evening Primrose
Red Clover
Tomato Powder
Corn Silk Powder

Here’s a list of what was extracted:

1. Octacosanols (derived from vegetable powder)
2. Gamma linolenic acid (derived from evening prim rose powder)
3. Polyphenols (derived from red clover powder)
4. Lycopene (derived from tomato powder)
5. Corn silk extract (from corn silk powder)

Why hasnt anyone really tried this or went into detail with it? All the raw ingredients are easy to buy you can find all of them on ebay for like 5-10 bucks each. It’s a pill in Korea designed to be used for kidney health and then they found that it helped with hair later.

I’m not sure if the raw ingredients have the same effect as the chemicals they extracted for them? Or did they just extract the stuff to pinpoint the one chemical and stuff it all inside of 1 pill easily? I found the actual medication from Korea but its F*$*#ING expensive. It’s like 600 dollars for 3 bottles. Shouldn’t the raw ingredients at least dent it?

Couldn’t if we look around find the extracts and stuff like that and just try it out and easily do the same thing ourselves? I dont even think it would cost that much. There was a study on this that was an official study and it showed crazy results. They even did a study against a placebo group and the placebo lost hair and the control group got like 40% more hair from it

Here’s youtube videos of people trying it and coming back months later with hair:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDfziqUlPK4

Why is everyone or at least a good chunk of people working on this? Clinical trials, real results, good results, consistent, natural ingredients you can buy yourself and experiment with, plus all natural so probably 0 side effects or 0 harm from trying.

I’m wondering what it would be like if you combined stuff like saw palmetto with it and stinging nettle and then use the stuff topically like actually taking everything by mouth and then using all the stuff topically at the same time.

I found allthe raw ingredients off ebay. Dont know if they will do the same thing or if you need the actual extracts like they used in the meds? Would the extracts have all the stuff good for hair loss and it would be more concentrated and stronger so only work that way? Can anyone thats good with science help answer that? I found a lot of he extracted chemicals but sometimes they come from other plants cant find them from the same sources.

Anyone else think this could be promising? I think its worth people trying

WHY DID EVERY SINGLE PERSON JUST SAY “OH THERES MORE STUFF IN IT BESIDES PUMPKIN SEED OIL” AND THEN COMPLETELY DUMP IT WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS EASY TO GET

does it matter if everything is used in the same ratio and everything? One study says “the above ingredients were first extracted and formulated using specific ratios designed for direct improvement of prostates and bladder health conditions.”

 

[FCKW36]

Because there are dozen of studies with dozen of substances which show good results for men with androgenic alopecia but most of the time they never were confirmed by people trying it. Why should you pay 200€ a month for something that will not work too?

 

[Xenophon]

The problem with 98% of non-surgical methods is that the examples given are always of a guy going from bald as f*** to extremely diffuse in like 3-6 months. Okay...but where is the continuance? Does this guy wind up with a full head of hair? No. Lots of regimens can acutely increase hair count to some degree, such as the thumbnail of the first video in the OP. You never see the hairline fill in from topicals, because until certain compounds are isolated and found to be able to do so, it's not possible. You can't get a full head of hair without either surgery or a broad scale topical regime plus permanent needling, which is a kind of soft surgery. Some guys go from a ba diffuse pattern, even with borderline bald spots, to a pretty decent full head of hair without surgery but it's not common and it beggars our comprehending why some should respond so well while others don't.

That said, if anyone wants to try the ingredients in the OP I'm all for it. I elect: OP

 

[MeDK]

Sure look like a super cure !

Give me five pallets of it...

 

[baldlygoing]

I've said this before but I think using these natural substances that worked in studies but no one on forums had success with should be given more consideration when combining with needling.

 

[noveau22]

maybe someone should try it??? worth a try

 

[Bornwithacurse225]

Because there are dozen of studies with dozen of substances which show good results for men with androgenic alopecia but most of the time they never were confirmed by people trying it. Why should you pay 200€ a month for something that will not work too?

i have never seen a study like this that grew hair on at least 10 people and all the ingredients you can buy cheap. You say that’s not even worth trying? Alright then

 

[Bornwithacurse225]

The problem with 98% of non-surgical methods is that the examples given are always of a guy going from bald as f*** to extremely diffuse in like 3-6 months. Okay...but where is the continuance? Does this guy wind up with a full head of hair? No. Lots of regimens can acutely increase hair count to some degree, such as the thumbnail of the first video in the OP. You never see the hairline fill in from topicals, because until certain compounds are isolated and found to be able to do so, it's not possible. You can't get a full head of hair without either surgery or a broad scale topical regime plus permanent needling, which is a kind of soft surgery. Some guys go from a ba diffuse pattern, even with borderline bald spots, to a pretty decent full head of hair without surgery but it's not common and it beggars our comprehending why some should respond so well while others don't.

That said, if anyone wants to try the ingredients in the OP I'm all for it. I elect: OP

Yeah but if it gave results at all it’s at least worth trying long term. And even if not that great it should be used in combination with treatments since it has no sides.

im trying but I need a little help I don’t know if I need all the same extract extracts and ratios exactly the same or is just using the same ingredients will work the same?

 

[Bornwithacurse225]

maybe someone should try it??? worth a try

maybe someone should try it??? worth a try

I think we all should try. A couple plants you can buy off eBay and the extracts seem available too.

 

[CastorTroy]

The pumpkin seed oil in this formula is actually pumpkin seed co2 extract which I can’t find for sale anywhere online
It is super concentrated

 

[Xenophon]

Yeah but if it gave results at all it’s at least worth trying long term. And even if not that great it should be used in combination with treatments since it has no sides.

im trying but I need a little help I don’t know if I need all the same extract extracts and ratios exactly the same or is just using the same ingredients will work the same?

All the ingredients I buy come in 2 oz bottles from wholesalesuppliesplus.com. I think it was about 40 bucks for argan/RM/caffeine. The latter two will last a few years because you're only using drops. Then a good emu oil is about 25-30 for 2 oz. https://www.hairloss-research.org/shop/

I wouldn't get the 8.95 crap from Amazon — most 'fine' products on Amazon are fake and gay. For my tastes I'm not gonna risk it for something important; I need the real stuff so I don't waste a year applying eucalyptus and safflower oil on my fuckin' head. Most essential oils from there or from, say, Vitamin Shoppe in fact smell like cough syrup. Some of the proprietary hair oil blends have like grapeseed and other f*****g junk *** seed oils that are really just repurposed paint thinners given to us by the NWO. Grapes! Sounds healthy. Reminds me of the isle of Πάτμος.

Anwyay, what I use for application is a 2 oz dropper at night and a little roller stick in the morning for a cleaner application. This works pretty well. The stick lays the oil on thin so you can avoid oily hair, and these carrier oils are the least greasy oils you can use (castor is the most greasy by far). Jojoba is about as good as argan, and it's also extremely absorbent.

I just fill the 10ml stick with Argan and emu oil in an umeasured ratio (probably 3/4ths argan). 10ml is 200 drops, and you want like 7% of an EO concentration and like 3% of a caffeine concentration. That's like 13 and 6 drops respectively. The dropper bottle for night time, same sh*t, different math.

It all depends on your case. This is a program that could definitely be workable for some, and I think it is for me. If you've got a really bad head of hair and haven't had surgery, then sure, maybe finasteride or dutasteride has to be in the picture. But for my tastes, I mean why would anyone not get surgery? Why would you want to go through life as a bald guy with no DHT to save, like 7,000 dollars? I don't get that, but whatever.

 

[pegasus2]

Maybe that's the real reason a couple scalp massage guys got a little bit of regrowth, perhaps they started eating pumpkins. Or maybe the pumpkin guys were massaging their scalps.

Seriously though this study was paid for by Dreamplus Co., which just so happens to sell a supplement with all of these ingredients. So we have a conflict of interest there yet no conflict of interest is declared by the authors. What!? Then the authors of the study paid to have the article submitted to a dubious Egyptian journal for publication. Oh, there's even a letter to the editor published along with the study with the following criticism:

"Research data seems to be incomplete; since no data was reported related to the effect of PSO on frontal AA, only pictorial representation of vertex AA is reported in the study. It is important to note that the volunteers of Norwood-Hamilton types II, III, III vertex, IV, and V were enrolled in study and investigator analysis for frontal AA was also done but results were not mentioned [3]. Frontal AA is required to be discussed because of two reasons; firstly, AA can be reasonably treated if treatment will be availed during the early stage of progression [6]; therefore, effect of PSO on Norwood-Hamilton types II and III should be discussed in future studies. Secondly, in one of the studies comparing botanical treatment of AA (saw palmetto) and finasteride, it was observed that botanical treatment was not effective in treating frontal AA [7]; therefore, to ascertain the possibility of ineffectiveness or effectiveness of PSO on frontal AA, it is suggested to Cho et al. to avail data relating the effect of PSO on frontal AA as it will clear the picture to some extent, though future studies are also desirable. Another thing which is important and is a matter of future research is appropriate duration of the study. Study duration should be at least 1 year because there is marked effect of seasonal variation on hormonal levels in males (being peaked during summer and being the least during autumn) which in turn affect the anagen phase of hair growth"

I don't think I'm going to waste too much time looking into this lol

 

[Bornwithacurse225]

Maybe that's the real reason a couple scalp massage guys got a little bit of regrowth, perhaps they started eating pumpkins. Or maybe the pumpkin guys were massaging their scalps.

Seriously though this study was paid for by Dreamplus Co., which just so happens to sell a supplement with all of these ingredients. So we have a conflict of interest there yet no conflict of interest is declared by the authors. What!? Then the authors of the study paid to have the article submitted to a dubious Egyptian journal for publication. Oh, there's even a letter to the editor published along with the study with the following criticism:

"Research data seems to be incomplete; since no data was reported related to the effect of PSO on frontal AA, only pictorial representation of vertex AA is reported in the study. It is important to note that the volunteers of Norwood-Hamilton types II, III, III vertex, IV, and V were enrolled in study and investigator analysis for frontal AA was also done but results were not mentioned [3]. Frontal AA is required to be discussed because of two reasons; firstly, AA can be reasonably treated if treatment will be availed during the early stage of progression [6]; therefore, effect of PSO on Norwood-Hamilton types II and III should be discussed in future studies. Secondly, in one of the studies comparing botanical treatment of AA (saw palmetto) and finasteride, it was observed that botanical treatment was not effective in treating frontal AA [7]; therefore, to ascertain the possibility of ineffectiveness or effectiveness of PSO on frontal AA, it is suggested to Cho et al. to avail data relating the effect of PSO on frontal AA as it will clear the picture to some extent, though future studies are also desirable. Another thing which is important and is a matter of future research is appropriate duration of the study. Study duration should be at least 1 year because there is marked effect of seasonal variation on hormonal levels in males (being peaked during summer and being the least during autumn) which in turn affect the anagen phase of hair growth"

I don't think I'm going to waste too much time looking into this lol

K

 

[whatevr]

If it contains policosanols then that is a 5-AR inhibitor so it's no wonder it works - you might as well take Finasteride.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28249244

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Please mind the important difference between a cure and a treatment.

A treatment lessens the symptoms of the disease without necessarily improving the underlying condition. So long as there is disease, there may be symptoms, and so long as there are symptoms, a treatment may provide some alleviation.

A cure removes the disease once and for all; no further treatment is required.

Additionally, whether or not something is "natural" is not meaningful. It almost exclusively implies that the substance is found in an existing plant or animal, as opposed to being synthesized in a lab. Note, however, that there are a myriad of substances one can find in the wild that cause great harm to humans. "Natural" in this sense suggests no exceptional safety, nor does it imply efficacy, nor does it suggest abundance (i.e. low cost). It is simply acknowledges the coincidence of discovering the compound in the natural world. I invite you to try/check out saw palmetto.

The only question remaining is about the efficacy of your suggested treatment. Realize that even on very potent anti androgens, people still continue to lose hair, albeit very slowly and over the course of years. Realize that many do not get the regrowth they desire also on these treatments. Given the modest outcomes of currently available treatments which have been designed to address the underlying pathology to the best of our understanding, I urge everyone to question their expectations with regards to the treatment suggested by OP. It wouldn't be surprising if there were some anti androgen effects in these oils - many compounds show such a response - but the question is about how effective it is.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

I don't see a 5ARI ever being the cure for hairloss. Be it synthetic or "natural".

 

[Bornwithacurse225]

I don't see a 5ARI ever being the cure for hairloss. Be it synthetic or "natural".

Yeah true but if it works everything in there has health benefits for your body besides just hair like kidney health anti oxidants etc with finasteride doing god knows what