The Natural Internal Regimen

The Natural

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The following are reasons/explanations for my choice of herbs, vitamins, and mineral. I can now state unequivocally that this regimen will improve the scalp condition; slow, and eventually stop hair loss; then begin to regrow hair in most (dare I state all?) users within three months at less than $35 a month. A healthy diet and regular exercise will quicken results.

Yes, I am aware that these are bold statements, but, ask around, I have been doing this (trying herbs, vitamins, and minerals) for a while now, I know from whence I speak (or write, in this case).

I will not recommend brands. Do not PM me about them or recommended dosage (it is written on the bottle) - I usually take one capsule of each supplement in my signature. For further information, please avail yourself of the search function here, google, or go to online sites such as iHerb, Vitacost, etc. For those so inclined (follow this regimen), return in three months, and update the forum as to your scalp/hair's progress.

The best,

TN



1. Aged garlic extract and vitamin C

a. Increases nitric acid. Nutrition Research (2007, vol. 27, no. 2). Scientists from New York's Pharmaceutical Research Institute at Albany College of Pharmacy recruited six people with marginally high blood pressure (140/90 mmHg). With one-week breaks between each course, subjects completed ten-day doses of vitamin C alone (2 grams per day), then garlic capsules alone (2.5 grams per day of freeze-dried bulb powder), and finally, a combination of the two. Taking vitamin C by itself did not affect the subjects' blood pressure. Garlic alone reduced systolic (peak) blood pressure, but not diastolic pressure (when the heart is resting). But together, vitamin C and garlic reduced systolic levels to between 110 and 120 and diastolic to 75 to 80.

Blood pressure dropped, researchers theorized, because cells lining the walls of the blood vessels were producing more nitric oxide, a compound that helps to regulate blood pressure and immunity, as well as many other bodily functions. Taking garlic supplements alone caused a twofold increase in cellular nitric oxide production, they said. But combining garlic and vitamin C resulted in a threefold increase. An estimated 72 million Americans older than 20 (1 in 3 adults) have high blood pressure, the number-one changeable risk factor for stroke.

b. “Well, there is at least one factor that androgenic baldness and Alzheimer’s disease have in common: atherosclerosis. The lining of blood vessels produces nitric oxide (‘NO’, as in MiNOxidol, the active ingredient in Rogaine) and possibly other hair growth factors; when this lining is damaged through the accumulation of atherosclerotic plaque, less nitric oxide (NO) is produced.

Please don’t draw the wrong conclusion that a balding man is doomed to go on to Alzheimer’s disease or Parkinson’s. Like most men, he’ll probably die of heart disease, which is a much better way to die. Also, 40% of men die before their 75th birthday, which also helps account for the lower rate of brain disease in the male population. Still, what happens in the scalp of a balding person (including inflammation and free-radical damage) does seem to bear resemblance to what probably goes on in the brain tissue of brain-disease victims.

The incidence of male pattern (androgenic) baldness has been found to be the highest among college professors, and lowest among skid-row winos. Winos are also known to have the cleanest arteries in the world (which of course doesn’t save them from dying of cirrhosis of the liver). Could there be a connection? Let me remind you that alcohol is an excellent vasodilator — there is perhaps nothing quite like alcohol for dilating those peripheral blood vessels. And vasodilatation implies nitric oxide release. (I’m not recommending that anyone take up drinking. For years now I’ve been haunted by the question of whether it’s possible to duplicate the benefits of alcohol in a non-alcoholic way, which would be vastly prefer.”

c. "S-allyl-mercaptocysteine (SAMC), a compound derived from aged garlic, appears to diminish the growth of human prostate cancer cells. Researchers from Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City found that the SAMC causes cancer cells to break down testosterone two to four times more quickly than normal—and through a route that does not produce dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a form of the hormone strongly associated with the multiplication of prostate cells. SAMC can be found only in garlic extract that is aged. Several immunotherapies have been approved by the FDA for cancer treatment. Others are still under study."


2. Turmeric (curcumin) and cayenne/ginger

a. "Moreover, during this testing, the patients treated with resveratrol and curcumin surprisingly showed positive improvements in the treatment of psoriasis and the attenuation and even a stop of the hair loss, a reduction of the hair graying and the rebirth of hair in bald areas sometimes even of the original color too.

Regarding its action on hair growth, even if not yet known, it is probably linked to the release of P substance. The growth and the pigmentation of the hair follicle would depend on mesenchymal-epithelium-neiroderic interactions not very well-known yet, where the P substance would stimulate the hair growth in vivo (RaIf Paus et al Investigation Labs, VoI 71, No 1 , p.135, 1994)."

b. I have found that cayenne/ginger work better than resveratrol at quickly circulating curcumin throughout the body. Ginger helps to cool the heat that accompanies the cayenne pepper so that one may benefit from its stimulating effects without experiencing the discomfort from the pepper.


3. Omega 3 (algal oil). A source of Omega 3

a. Recent research has found that with regards male pattern baldness they found that an excessive amount of a protein called prostaglandin D2 or PGD2 was present in those areas of the scalp affected., according to a study. Earlier studies carried out in Japan found that Eicospentenoic Acid (EPA) effectively reduced / blocked the production of the protein PGD2.

EPA or Eicosapentenoic Acid one of the active ingredients in Omega3 – The highest concentration of EPA per capsule is found in a supplement called TakeOmega3 which is an 85% omega3 product with 750mg EPA per capsule. It is also uniquely manufactured in MHRA licensed facilities here in UK and entirely manufactured here in the UK . The study concluded that men may be able to regrow all their hair if the inhibiting protein is removed, said George Cotsarelis, chairman of dermatology at The Perelman School of Medicine in Philadelphia.
We really do think if you remove the inhibition, you get longer hair, Cotsarelis, a study author, said in a telephone interview. We dont know if the follicles will return to their former lengths, he said. The study was funded by grants from the US National Institute of Health the Pennsylvania Department of Health, and other medical groups.

The researchers looked at all the genes in the scalp samples from five men, comparing the bald parts to the haired parts. They found higher expressions of the gene that produces PGD2 in the bald samples, compared to the spots with hair. With that as a guide, they found in samples of 17 men with hair loss that PGD2 was three times higher in the bald spots than where hair was growing. The scientists then used mice to show that excessive PGD2 decreased follicles.

Previous work has shown that the stem cells that create hair are still intact in bald men, Cotsarelis said. The follicles are also there, though they look smaller and produce thinner, shorter hair. Over time, the hair is so short it no longer passes the surface of the skin.

The study concluded that men may be able to regrow all their hair if the inhibiting protein is removed, said George Cotsarelis, chairman of dermatology at The Perelman School of Medicine in Philadelphia.

We really do think if you remove the inhibition, you get longer hair, Cotsarelis, a study author, said in a telephone interview. We dont know if the follicles will return to their former lengths, he said.

Whilst there are drugs in development and existance that block the D2 pathway surely a natural alternative would be preferable ?
In an earlier study carried out in Japan it showed that Eicosapentaenoic acid (Omega 3 EPA ) inhibits prostaglandin D2 generation by inhibiting cyclo-oxygenase-2 in cultured human mast cells. Obata T, Nagakura T, Masaki T, Maekawa K, Yama****a K. Source Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Institute of DNA Medicine, Jikei University School of Medicine, Tokyo, Japan.

Abstract

BACKGROUND: Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) is catalysed by cyclo-oxygenase (COX), as is arachidonic acid, and is a competitive inhibitor of arachidonate metabolism.

OBJECTIVES: We examined the effect of EPA on prostaglandin (PG) D2 generation in the cultured human mast cells with IgE-anti-IgE challenge incubation.

METHODS: Cultured human mast cells were incubated with EPA (1 micromol/L) for 20 h, then challenged with anti-IgE incubation after treatment with IgE. At the same time, COX inhibitors were tested to identify COX-1 and COX-2 activity. PGD2 synthetic activity was also assayed in a cell-free homogenate of cultured mast cells with COX inhibitors and EPA. Histamine in the culture medium and in cells was assayed with the HPLC-fluorescent method. PGD2 and PGD3 were assayed with gas chromatography-mass spectrometry and the stable isotope dilution method.

RESULTS: Although EPA incubation did not affect histamine release by cultured human mast cells in response to IgE-anti-IgE challenge incubation, it did decrease PGD2 generation by inhibiting the COX-2 pathway. In contrast, in the cell-free homogenate of cultured human mast cells, EPA inhibited both COX-1 and COX-2 activities.

CONCLUSION: Pre-incubation with EPA primarily affects the COX-2 pathway in cultured human mast cells and reduces PGD2 generation in response to IgE-anti-IgE challenge incubation. These findings suggest that COX-1 and COX-2 have different substrate flow systems in mast cells. They also suggest that endogenous EPA diet supplementation would reduce PGD2 production and could serve as an anti-inflammatory substrate in human mast cells.


4. MSM

a. The Effectiveness of the Use of Oral Lignisul MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane) Supplementation on Hair and Nail Health
Ronald M. Lawrence, M.D., Ph.D.

Methods

Hair study

Twenty-one subjects (16 men and 5 women) with a mean (± SD) age of 53 ± 14 y (ranging from 34 to 81 y) were recruited for the hair study. Participants were randomly assigned to two groups. Eleven subjects (9 men and 2 women) were asked to take daily capsules containing MSM at the dose 3,000 mg/day, for a period of 6 weeks. The remaining 10 subjects received placebo in identical capsules, for the same period of time. The placebo substance consisted of sucrose and a small amount of quinine sulfate added to create a slightly bitter taste, similar to that of MSM. The investigators and the subjects were blinded as to whether supplement capsules were with placebo or with MSM.

The hair health status was evaluated by Certified Cosmetologists under the direction of the Principal Investigator at the beginning of the study period ((t = 0) and after 6 weeks (t = 6 wk). The assessment of hair length, diameter and brilliance was done using industry-standard measurement scales.

Statistics

Changes in hair or nail health status induced by MSM vs. placebo supplementation were analyzed using non-parametric test followed by unpaired t-test and/or Wilcoxon test (for change in hair/nail length and hair diameter) and by chi-squared test (for changes in hair brilliance, nail thickness and nail lustre). The non-parametric tests were selected because of limited number of values and because the values within groups were not normally distributed. Results

Hair study

All subjects completed the study and no adverse effects were reported. The results of the hair health assessment in control vs. treatment group are presented in Table 1 (all subjects) and Table 2 (males). In all subjects, and also in males given the MSM supplement, hair brilliance was significantly improved when compared to the controls (p = 0.012 and p = 0.034 for all subjects and males, respectively). The moderate improvement in hair brilliance (+ 1 point in the scale 1-4) was observed in 55% of all subjects (6 out of 11) and in 56% males (5 out of 9) treated with MSM. In contrast, no changes in hair brilliance were reported in any of the placebo-treated subjects or males. The results obtained in females remained inconclusive due to very small sizes of placebo and treatment groups.

Analysis of changes in the remaining indicators of hair health status, hair length and diameter, did not show significant differences between the groups. Hair length increases tended to be greater in MSM-treated males than in their placebo-given counterparts (+20%, p = 0.20, p = 0.10 by unpaired t-test and by Wilcoxon test, respectively) but a similar trend was not observed for all subjects. Hair diameter did not tend to improve after 6 weeks of MSM supplementation.

Discussion

The results of the above pilot studies confirmed previous finding that in humans, chronic supplementation with MSM is unlikely to produce adverse health effects (6). The results also suggested that in healthy human subjects, a 6 wk supplementation with MSM (3 g/day) might beneficially affect the appearance of hair by significantly improving its brilliance. This observation is consistent with previous reports, which showed improved hair health parameters in animals fed diets supplemented with sulfur-rich compounds (1-2). Treatment with MSM did not produce significant changes in other parameters measured, such as hair length and diameter or nail length, thickness and luster, although male subjects given MSM tended to experience a better hair growth than their placebo-treated counterparts. The limited positive changes in hair health and lack of statistically significant improvement in nail health observed after MSM intervention are likely related to small group sizes and short periods of treatment. To verify this preliminary data, future full size trials should involve larger groups of subjects and longer periods of MSM treatment. The new trial should also utilize a crossover design, with periodical monitoring of blood sulfur concentrations as a marker of compliance.
 

Zapp Brannigan

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I've been on a similar regimen including curcumin, cayenne, ginger, large amounts of omega 3 plus beetroot juice (my choice of NO booster and quite underrated imho) for just under two years. I take a several other supps too mainly l-carnitine, toco 8, green tea, taurine and a saw palmetto complex in a low dose and would agree that I've seen positive effects on my hair growth - mainly thicker and stronger hair particularly in the vertex and much reduced rate at which I've shed hair. I can't say I've seen much if any regrowth though... yet :)
 

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I have used l-carnitine, toco-8, green tea extract, taurine, and saw palmetto in the past: l-carnitine is expensive, and didn't do much of anything that I could tell after months of use; toco-8 is not the "game changer" that many had hoped, and can be replaced by others much less expensive; I drink green tea daily - taking the extract did not do much for me; taurine is cheap, but I didn't see a difference while using it; saw palmetto, as a part of the typical DHT blocking regimen, is only moderately effective (if that) for our purposes. In other words, from my experience, these supplements are unnecessary, and not effective long term hair loss treatments.

Save your money.
 

rwhairlosstalk

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I tried curcumin and resveratrol but saw no benefits.

MSM helps reduce my shed very well when I take it while on anti androgen.

I tried green tea extract didnt help me.

I take saw palmetto and it works like msm does its in my regimen. When I pair it with prescription anti androgens it cut my shedding in half. I've tried it on , off, on, off, time and time again and it's proven.

i want to try toco 8 but all of this stuff is becoming expensive.
 

The Natural

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I too have used saw palmetto, as well as pygeum, beta sitosterol, soy isolflavone, pumpkin seen extract, and nettles. These type of supplements (used expressly for inhibiting DHT) are most effective for those who have just begun to thin; but even then, their effectiveness does not last for an extended period of time. Admittedly, everyone is different. But this has been the experience for me and most of the users that I have read about.

Further, side effects (lower libido, gynecomastia, brain fog, etc.) are not unheard of, even with these natural herbal treatments. Focus needs to shift from DHT's inhibition to increasing circulation and lowering inflammation.
 

lobsterlobster

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So I'm definitely experiencing sexual sides from this regimen, and I think it's the curcumin. I'm a little confused why you stated that you never read of a case of this happening, as it was quite easy to find people suffering from ED from curcumin on google (http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5138). I also became sick and feverish directly after starting this regime, but I hope that was a coincidence.

Would I still see success if I drop the curcumin/cayenne thing? As in, maintenance at least.
 

pidda

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I been taking omega 3s for years and it didn't put a stop to my hairloss.
 

The Natural

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So I'm definitely experiencing sexual sides from this regimen, and I think it's the curcumin. I'm a little confused why you stated that you never read of a case of this happening, as it was quite easy to find people suffering from ED from curcumin on google (http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5138). I also became sick and feverish directly after starting this regime, but I hope that was a coincidence.

Would I still see success if I drop the curcumin/cayenne thing? As in, maintenance at least.

If you have, in fact, pinpointed a supplement that is giving you side effects, then stop using it! But remember, your regimen includes some supplements (e.g. Equol) that mine does not. So I would confirm whether or not it is the Equol or something else that you are also using.

And I would do the same with the people in the link that you provided: Is curcumin the only supplement that these members are using? Find out. Turmeric (curcumin) is one of the most widely used herbs throughout the world. And it has been used safely for centuries. Further, curcumin is used to combat gynecomastia (male breasts), the side effects of Propecia and Proscar. Obviously, you need to learn more about this herb.

If you do decide to continue with just this regimen (which does not include Equol!), come back in three or four months and post your findings in this thread.

That is all I have for you. Good Luck!

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To this day I have yet to see a natural regimen that stops hair loss or regrows hair for male pattern baldness.

And...how is that relevant to this thread.

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I been taking omega 3s for years and it didn't put a stop to my hairloss.

And...how is that relevant to this thread.
 

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Any brands you don't recommend? I am pretty sure I read over on another forum you didn't recommend one of the Life Bio? products.
 

The Natural

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Any brands you don't recommend? I am pretty sure I read over on another forum you didn't recommend one of the Life Bio? products.

Good question. I have used many brands of turmeric (curcumin) in the past with no problems whatsoever (such as Jarrow, Thorne Research, Source Naturals, Paradise Herbs). The only one that caused me (and other members) to shed hair was Life Extension's Super Bio-curcumin. I would advise against its use.
 

LawOfThelema

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i wouldnt use propecia help as a guideline for commonly experienced sides to an herb. id use a site that has a background in knowledge of herbal remedies as a guideline for sides to an herb. someone hypersensitive to side effects as those people seem to be will be attributing things that arent actually side effects as side effects. there is a psychologic component to sides as well. if you are super obsessed over sides you will see more sides. adverse events can happen in the body without being caused by food and supplments.
 

lobsterlobster

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Natural, I haven't taken any equol in awhile. The regimen I posted on the Folexen forum is something I plan to start once these side effects diminish. They haven't yet.

I'd love to believe that my mind is responsible for this. But I woke up this morning, and I had everything a morning wood isn't. Numbness, flaccid, and it was even a little bit cold. Scary stuff. I don't know if it was the curcumin, but something in your regime caused this. It just seems to me that it's most likely the curcumin.
 

The Natural

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Look dude, perhaps you need to see a doctor instead of coming here every other day with claims that such and such is causing you such and such. Please go see a professional or a counselor!

You were still taking Equol as of the 7th of this month. According to one of your posts, as of the 18th of this month, your "new regimen" did not even include curcumin. Honestly, I do not see how you attribute a loss of libido to curcumin. But I am not a doctor, so I may very well be wrong. Either way, this thread is not intended for you to post your daily symptoms. Please refrain from doing so in the future, and go see a doctor.

And reread your earlier post, before you started taking curcumin:

"Okay, so now to explain why I settled with 5 mg (2 capsules at night). As an individual I think I am very prone to side effects with hair loss treatments, and I've realized recently that my own anxiety has a lot to do with it. I was on Finasteride briefly before Folexen (there was a break of 1.5 months or so in between). And finasteride killed my sexual experience. Complete disconnection downstairs. Cognitively, too, I felt like a different person. I felt more feminine in mindset and had heavy brain fog. I admit that when I started Folexen, I was about 90% recovered from the finasteride, and I was left paranoid/depressed/etc. I believe the Folexen took me a step back from my recovery. I know it was physiological, but I believe it was physiological because it was heavily psychological. I experienced a diminished libido and sensation/pleasure almost immediately after starting treatment. My morning wood went away (although I still had trouble with it before Folexen). And the brain fog came back. I bought ginseng to hold onto my libido, and I think this helped some. But I pretty much decided that I cannot take a pill that influences my hormones during the day, because I become trapped under thoughts of how it will affect me. And this obviously affects me physically and cognitively.

I should point out that any side effects I experienced with S equol were nothing compared to what I experienced on finasteride. It was much easier to deal with. After I really, really worked on my mindset with this treatment, the side effects started to alleviate. And who knows, maybe the side effects were physically real, and maybe my body had to adjust to the drug. But the important part is that they are pretty much gone now. When I feel completely comfortable with the 5 mg a day dose, I plan to up it further.

Guys, if you could not handle finasteride like me, I think it would be smart to give this a try. For me, it's either this or nothing. So I'm pretty glad I'm taking this treatment. I'll update you guys again when I feel it's appropriate. Good luck everyone."

Dude, that was you.
 

Sparky4444

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Natural, I haven't taken any equol in awhile. The regimen I posted on the Folexen forum is something I plan to start once these side effects diminish. They haven't yet.

I'd love to believe that my mind is responsible for this. But I woke up this morning, and I had everything a morning wood isn't. Numbness, flaccid, and it was even a little bit cold. Scary stuff. I don't know if it was the curcumin, but something in your regime caused this. It just seems to me that it's most likely the curcumin.

..dude....I seriously think you're immune system is psychotic....plus you're mind-screwing yourself up the ying-yang...What kind of physical shape are you in?? Do you exercise regularly?? Are you over-weight?? What are your NO levels like?? Order some test strips from Neogenis and test your NO levels...

other than that -- it seems to me a lot of this is in your head....How the hell can you have side-effects from anything in TN's regime??? If you do, you must get side-effects from eating normal food....
 

The Natural

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Weeellll. Isn't that why most people are here?

Huh? I fail to see how taking none (or even one) of the seven supplements in my regimen is relevant to this particular thread. Enlighten me. As I stated, the regimen, consisting of seven supplements, will significantly improve one's hair loss condition.

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uhm your Vitamin C and baldness connection is just not there...

And it was written clearly: Vitamin C + garlic = increased nitric oxide production. You may debate (with yourself ) at your leisure whether or not this is beneficial to hair loss sufferers.
 
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