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Re75

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I read this article from the LA times a while back and found it online : This may be the man that actually gives us the real answer to hairloss, and it hurts to say it but it feels like it will be a while. What do you guys think of the possibilities of this discovery contrastingly to what Intercytex is doing?
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 0790.story

Japan's scientific geniuses prefer their labs to the limelight[/size]
The country expects its scientists to be humble and modest. Some think that's why younger people are avoiding the field.
By Bruce Wallace, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
February 11, 2008

TOKYO -- In Japan, the country that gave the world innovations like instant noodles and the Sony Walkman, science has always been seen as a profession that is supposed to produce something useful. The Japanese celebrate the tinkerers and technicians, the no-nonsense types who built the postwar economic dynamo.

Pure scientists, cloistered away in underfunded labs and pursuing their dreamy theories, have never caught the national imagination. They just aren't practical enough.

So it has been a particularly sweet time for those Japanese scientists since researcher Shinya Yamanaka announced in November that he had cracked one of science's toughest challenges: creating the equivalent of human stem cells with a technique that does not require an embryo.

The discovery has turned Yamanaka, 45, into a most unlikely phenomenon in Japan: a celebrity scientist. Media crews stormed his lab at Kyoto University. The government has paid millions of dollars to continue the research.

Only Yamanaka has seemed bored by the fuss, a bit irritated even. He resents taking time away from his work to explain the details of his discovery to laymen over and over. He'd rather be back in his lab, he tells interviewers, turning his discovery into a practical medical technology that can help people suffering myriad ailments, from spinal injuries to heart disease.

"I was a physician before I became a scientist," Yamanaka said, explaining why he has no interest in becoming rich or famous. "I am mostly interested in what this discovery can do for patients."

Yamanaka's determination to show he is only in it for the public good, even in what should be his moment of glory, fits with how the Japanese expect scientists to behave. Humble. Disdainful of wealth.

They want them to be like neuroscientist Ryuta Kawashima, who turned his ideas on how to stave off senility into a huge industry of books and video games on brain training. Sure, Kawashima likes to brag -- that he hasn't taken any of the millions in royalties he's entitled to. He doesn't even want to take a vacation, he says, preferring to devote every available hour to helping the elderly.

Not everyone thinks the emphasis on modesty is a good thing. They wonder whether the limited recognition might be one reason young Japanese are turned off from careers in science. The science establishment has recognized the problem and is taking the first steps to make changes, pushing for the appointment of younger scientists to top jobs.

The idea is to make science sexier.

"We have heroes in sports, and I always thought that scientists have personal stories that could make them heroes too," said Shiro Segawa, a professor of science journalism. He was involved in a 2004 book called "Science White Paper" that tried to draw attention to Japan's achievements. "But public interest is pretty limited."

Segawa noted that the model scientist in the postwar years was Hideki Yukawa, a physicist who in 1949 won Japan's first Nobel Prize and was famous for his modesty.

"We were taught that science is a philosophy, more like music or art," said Shigeyuki Koide, science editor of the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper. "To the Japanese, science is supposed to be about pleasure, not fame."

Those who have gone looking for recognition and reward risk ostracism.

Take the case of Shuji Nakamura, inventor of the blue light-emitting diode in 1993 that opened the way for massive energy savings in light production. At the time Nakamura was working for Nichia Corp., which gave him a $180 bonus. He complained that he was being treated like a slave.

He left Japan in 1999 for a position at UC Santa Barbara, but two years later filed a lawsuit against his former employer, seeking a share of profits resulting from his inventions. The Japanese public was split on the lawsuit, Koide said. Some sympathized with the plight of a low-paid worker under the thumb of his corporate employer. Others were appalled by what they saw as an unseemly grasp for wealth.

"He chose the American way, not the Japanese way," sniffed Yoshiro Nakamatsu, a prolific inventor with more patents to his name than anyone in history. "The purpose of science and invention is love, not making money," he said. "I made my first inventions out of love for my mother. Then I made inventions for the love of the people and the nation. Japanese scientists should not care about whether they become famous."

That culture may explain why the Japanese public embraced Koichi Tanaka, an electrical engineer who shared in the 2002 Nobel Prize for chemistry. Tanaka was also working for a private company when he discovered -- almost accidentally, he says -- a method for improving technologies that analyze proteins, a process that can be used for earlier detection of some cancers. He too was given a meager bonus.

But Tanaka never complained. Instead, he shared credit with co-workers and praised the company for giving him the freedom to experiment. "I am unfortunately too popular in Japan," he told an interviewer when he accepted the Nobel. "I want to go back to my normal life."

Yamanaka is cut from that same self-effacing mold. But what separates him from other Japanese scientists is that his discovery, his dreamy theory, occurred in one of the hottest fields. Being able to make adult cells behave like embryonic stem cells opens the way to cures for an incredible number of diseases. It could revolutionize medicine. Change the lives of millions. Useful stuff.

"Some day I hope we can even treat baldness," he said. "That's my dream."
 

dimitar_berbagod

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I don't really know what the point of this article is. It seems to be more about the Japanese work ethic rather than any sort of hairloss treatment...
 

elguapo

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I think the point was to say that a solution to hair loss will come from self-motivated do-gooder independent scientists who want to help make the world a better place, rather than money-hungry companies. (Most dashes I've ever used in a single sentence. How about that?=)

The problem with scientists working "independently" is that they lack funding for testing. But hey, the more help in the search for a solution to hair loss, the better!
 

Re75

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elguapo said:
I think the point was to say that a solution to hair loss will come from self-motivated do-gooder independent scientists who want to help make the world a better place, rather than money-hungry companies. (Most dashes I've ever used in a single sentence. How about that?=)

The problem with scientists working "independently" is that they lack funding for testing. But hey, the more help in the search for a solution to hair loss, the better!


Heh, that's part of it I guess, well said. What I was thinking primarily about was "Being able to make adult cells behave like embryonic stem cells" , so in other words taking away the stigma of stem cell research with the life issue. I think funding isn't always as crucial as diligence to the work, I'm sure theyre funding their scientisits when it comes to the actual work just not extravagances. I really see the end of hairloss on the horizon but truly perfected when I'm a geezer or something.

:badmood: And to the future generations who are born with this available refined treatment I say there is a minimum of a five year wait when their hairloss starts to feel the miserable emotional pull it can bring before taking the easy solutions!

Sorry I get bitter, especially looking at my hair today, it's like a little hair-garden path in the center.
 

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I think that what intercytex proposes will ultimately be what the big cure will look like in our lifetimes. I'd say within 10 years some form of this hair regeneration will be available. The other cure will be identifying the gene marker for hairloss....so you can take your 5 yr old son for a blood test and find out how bad his male pattern baldness will be. Then he could make the decision early on (17-18 yrs old) if he wanted to start taking Propecia or not.

http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/pipeline/icxtrc/?t=popup
P.S. Can't wait to here the preliminary results March 18th!
 

californiaoceans911

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I think the point was to say that a solution to hair loss will come from self-motivated do-gooder independent scientists who want to help make the world a better place, rather than money-hungry companies. (Most dashes I've ever used in a single sentence. How about that?=)

The problem with scientists working "independently" is that they lack funding for testing. But hey, the more help in the search for a solution to hair loss, the better!

I disagree, money drives the big research. I got my PhD at UC Santa Barbara and I am faculty there now. I know the japanese professor personally, and I can tell you the law suit was deserved. The company in question told him that Gallium Nitride would never work as a semiconductor device and told him to stop pursuing it. He did anyway and pioneered the GaN LED. He was treated very poorly afterward, he now enjoys the Santa Barbara sun every day :)

As for the independent scientist....things like cancer, hair loss, and other big problems require heavy funding. They will typically be solved in big industry with collaborations with major research universities. The universities contain the independent researchers that make the big discoveries for the love of science.
 

JZA70

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6 years later..

Good point though.
 
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