There Are Two Life Paths Ahead... (go To Hell With This Word Limit)

[whatevr]

And neither of them is going to resemble anything of a normal life for me.

My situation is such that anti-androgens like Finasteride don't work for me, they also give me side effects like gynecomastia. Due to my health issues my libido is bad even without anti-androgens, and on them it is almost nonexistent. I've only managed to regrow using topical estrogens which also go systemic and have side effects, but at least work for maintenance and regrowth. I have two choices:

a) Continue using estrogenic and feminizing treatments and slowly ruin my health in the process, potentially undergo surgery to remove gyno in the future. Forget about relationships due to horrible crappy erections, very low libido and probable inability to have sex properly or be aroused by my partner.
Potential sources of happiness include having a successful career, hobbies, friends and basically everything that doesn't involve sex or love provided that this is enough to keep me happy and not depressed.


b) Let my hair go and focus on my health. Potentially improve libido and erections back to normal, but fall into increasing depression due to my progressing baldness. Eventually reach NW4 and above where I can't even look at myself in the mirror, spend increasing amounts of time in the house becoming socially isolated, hating myself and becoming clinically depressed. Eventually commit suicide.

It would seem that a) is a preferred choice even if it means leading a life completely alone and single and jerking my limp dick to pornography for the rest of my life.

There is a beautiful girl who is single and who I've shared some sparks with a while ago. I should be going out saturday evening in the hopes of meeting her, but here I am sitting in the house, because my hair has again deteriorated due to not being able to maintain without estrogens and I can't look at my shitty diffuse and receded hair in the mirror, much less under the lights of a bar/club. I don't think I would survive being rejected by her because I have such a huge crush on her and when she saw me last time my hair was much better than now.

If I even regain my hair back I can't start a relationship with her because the only thing that works for me makes my tits grow and my dick not work. There is no winning against shitty genetics. Everything has side effects. You cannot escape your fate. By the time something comes out we will be in our 30s and life will passed us by and our youth will never come back, along with all the opportunities we missed due to ... hair loss ...

I couldn't bear to have a child in this world before male pattern baldness is cured, and see him go through this. f*** this planet, and f*** human beings and our crappy evolution and cruel genetic fate.

 

[sunchyme1]

And neither of them is going to resemble anything of a normal life for me.

My situation is such that anti-androgens like Finasteride don't work for me, they also give me side effects like gynecomastia. Due to my health issues my libido is bad even without anti-androgens, and on them it is almost nonexistent. I've only managed to regrow using topical estrogens which also go systemic and have side effects, but at least work for maintenance and regrowth. I have two choices:

a) Continue using estrogenic and feminizing treatments and slowly ruin my health in the process, potentially undergo surgery to remove gyno in the future. Forget about relationships due to horrible crappy erections, very low libido and probable inability to have sex properly or be aroused by my partner.
Potential sources of happiness include having a successful career, hobbies, friends and basically everything that doesn't involve sex or love provided that this is enough to keep me happy and not depressed.


b) Let my hair go and focus on my health. Potentially improve libido and erections back to normal, but fall into increasing depression due to my progressing baldness. Eventually reach NW4 and above where I can't even look at myself in the mirror, spend increasing amounts of time in the house becoming socially isolated, hating myself and becoming clinically depressed. Eventually commit suicide.

It would seem that a) is a preferred choice even if it means leading a life completely alone and single and jerking my limp dick to pornography for the rest of my life.

There is a beautiful girl who is single and who I've shared some sparks with a while ago. I should be going out saturday evening in the hopes of meeting her, but here I am sitting in the house, because my hair has again deteriorated due to not being able to maintain without estrogens and I can't look at my shitty diffuse and receded hair in the mirror, much less under the lights of a bar/club. I don't think I would survive being rejected by her because I have such a huge crush on her and when she saw me last time my hair was much better than now.

If I even regain my hair back I can't start a relationship with her because the only thing that works for me makes my tits grow and my dick not work. There is no winning against shitty genetics. Everything has side effects. You cannot escape your fate. By the time something comes out we will be in our 30s and life will passed us by and our youth will never come back, along with all the opportunities we missed due to ... hair loss ...

I couldn't bear to have a child in this world before male pattern baldness is cured, and see him go through this. f*** this planet, and f*** human beings and our crappy evolution and cruel genetic fate.

loooool

its so fucked up isnt it

but seriously man, common. your hair cant be that bad since i last saw it. your a f*****g fullhead ffs

 

[michel sapin]

i feel you bro . I am in the same boat .
taking propecia and get gyno, which becomes worse over time ( and not even keeping my hair ).
Or give up hair and keep a great body . hard choice , when i had both

 

[sunchyme1]

how is zix treating you?

 

[michel sapin]

for the moment i have chosen to take propecia , and stay f*****g lean . But i am never been so skinny in my life .
184 cm for 63 kg . this is crazy; just because of the f*****g propecia . Before i was 77 kg with no gyno or puffy nipples .

 

[whatevr]

loooool

its so fucked up isnt it

but seriously man, common. your hair cant be that bad since i last saw it. your a f*****g fullhead ffs

Nah those pics are old. It's gotten a lot more diffuse and thinner all over since then. Almost back to July 2016 or so. I have no choice but to hop back on the estrogen and say good bye to my sex life.

For some reason I get headaches and eye pressure from using Zix, so I've put that off for the time being until I figure out what the hell is going on.

 

[whatevr]

for the moment i have chosen to take propecia , and stay f*****g lean . But i am never been so skinny in my life .
184 cm for 63 kg . this is crazy; just because of the f*****g propecia . Before i was 77 kg with no gyno or puffy nipples .

It's not going to help you.

When I was overweight at 90 kg, I had NO gyno or puffy nipples.

Now at 70 kg, taking propecia, I got gyno and puffy nipples.

Even 20 kg of extra weight doesn't increase your estrogen as much as taking propecia, it's a fool's strategy. It might make it less visually problematic but I think overtime they will just get even worse.

 

[sunchyme1]

Nah those pics are old. It's gotten a lot more diffuse and thinner all over since then. Almost back to July 2016 or so. I have no choice but to hop back on the estrogen and say good bye to my sex life.

For some reason I get headaches and eye pressure from using Zix, so I've put that off for the time being until I figure out what the hell is going on.

what about any of the stuff in the experimental section like seti. you gonna try any of that?

 

[whatevr]

what about any of the stuff in the experimental section like seti. you gonna try any of that?

Seems like it all costs a shitload of money for very little results. I've yet to see anyone even maintain on Seti. If I were to try that I would much rather try TM30089 as it's much stronger and more cost effective, but even for that I haven't found a single trustworthy testimonial.

I am considering trying RU, but I am worried, if even a little bit of anything anti-androgen goes systemic, I can immediately tell because my nipples start to burn and become puffy from water retention. And my libido also immediately goes completely to sh*t.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I would go with option B actually.

You can live a happy life as a bald man and many people do. However, you probably cannot live a happy life as a low T, high E male. That doesn't appear very common, it's unnatural, you risk diseases imo, etc.

Further, there are better hair loss treatments on the horizon. I think more than ever it's ok to let your hair go as it might come back real soon.

Recommendation for you:
- Dial down the estrogen, slowly and gradually;
- Start lifting to help kickstart your natural T production, maybe do a 5-day fast to cleanse your body;
- Switch to a modest treatment like mine of minoxidil, low-dose RU, maybe throw in the S5 cream for good measure;
- Look forward to better treatments coming out soon.
- Get in touch with a psychiatrist;

 

[michel sapin]

if it can reasure you , when i quitted propecia for 1,5 month, i took a mammography and the lump disapeared , the puffiness was gone .
So my new strategy, is to take mammography all 3 month to control the gland . The key point is to not having fibrosis ( which require surgery)
You and I are too sensitive to oestrogen . As long as we are on propecia the nipples stay puffy and the galnd increase .
But if you quit , the DHT come back and catabolize the gland .
But after several years on it , the fibrosis start , and surgery is needed

 

[michel sapin]

and this drug have different impact on each people . I never ever thought i would have gyno .
I was not prone to it , but a small change in hormonal balance and given your sensitivity , it can f*** you up big time

 

[sunchyme1]

I would go with option B actually.

You can live a happy life as a bald man and many people do. However, you probably cannot live a happy life as a low T, high E male. That doesn't appear very common, it's unnatural, you risk diseases imo, etc.

Further, there are better hair loss treatments on the horizon. I think more than ever it's ok to let your hair go as it might come back real soon.

Recommendation for you:
- Dial down the estrogen, slowly and gradually;
- Start lifting to help kickstart your natural T production, maybe do a 5-day fast to cleanse your body;
- Switch to a modest treatment like mine of minoxidil, low-dose RU, maybe throw in the S5 cream for good measure;
- Look forward to better treatments coming out soon.
- Get in touch with a psychiatrist;

yeah is f*****g nuts man to use these drugs especially if you cant tolreate them.

just slow your loss down as best you can and focus on other things. its sucks but you know yourself how it feels to f*** with your health. its just stupid.

anyway, what the point keeping your hair if your dick doesnt work properly to enjoy the girls your getting.

go for option b

 

[JohnsonDDG]

The answer is B.

Your health is the most important thing and it is more important than hair.

 

[kj6723]

And neither of them is going to resemble anything of a normal life for me.

My situation is such that anti-androgens like Finasteride don't work for me, they also give me side effects like gynecomastia. Due to my health issues my libido is bad even without anti-androgens, and on them it is almost nonexistent. I've only managed to regrow using topical estrogens which also go systemic and have side effects, but at least work for maintenance and regrowth. I have two choices:

a) Continue using estrogenic and feminizing treatments and slowly ruin my health in the process, potentially undergo surgery to remove gyno in the future. Forget about relationships due to horrible crappy erections, very low libido and probable inability to have sex properly or be aroused by my partner.
Potential sources of happiness include having a successful career, hobbies, friends and basically everything that doesn't involve sex or love provided that this is enough to keep me happy and not depressed.


b) Let my hair go and focus on my health. Potentially improve libido and erections back to normal, but fall into increasing depression due to my progressing baldness. Eventually reach NW4 and above where I can't even look at myself in the mirror, spend increasing amounts of time in the house becoming socially isolated, hating myself and becoming clinically depressed. Eventually commit suicide.

It would seem that a) is a preferred choice even if it means leading a life completely alone and single and jerking my limp dick to pornography for the rest of my life.

There is a beautiful girl who is single and who I've shared some sparks with a while ago. I should be going out saturday evening in the hopes of meeting her, but here I am sitting in the house, because my hair has again deteriorated due to not being able to maintain without estrogens and I can't look at my shitty diffuse and receded hair in the mirror, much less under the lights of a bar/club. I don't think I would survive being rejected by her because I have such a huge crush on her and when she saw me last time my hair was much better than now.

If I even regain my hair back I can't start a relationship with her because the only thing that works for me makes my tits grow and my dick not work. There is no winning against shitty genetics. Everything has side effects. You cannot escape your fate. By the time something comes out we will be in our 30s and life will passed us by and our youth will never come back, along with all the opportunities we missed due to ... hair loss ...

I couldn't bear to have a child in this world before male pattern baldness is cured, and see him go through this. f*** this planet, and f*** human beings and our crappy evolution and cruel genetic fate.

Sorry to hear about this bud. It's a shitty situation for sure

Man I remembered seeing your story thread and your hair was looking fantastic at one point.

Do you know if you're a potential transplant candidate?

How old are you btw?

 

[g.i joey]

if it can reasure you , when i quitted propecia for 1,5 month, i took a mammography and the lump disapeared , the puffiness was gone .
So my new strategy, is to take mammography all 3 month to control the gland . The key point is to not having fibrosis ( which require surgery)
You and I are too sensitive to oestrogen . As long as we are on propecia the nipples stay puffy and the galnd increase .
But if you quit , the DHT come back and catabolize the gland .
But after several years on it , the fibrosis start , and surgery is needed

i really dont think the gland will increase more than initially, shrink yes. But its the initial rise in estro that shocks your body to grow the lump. Now if u get fatter, lazier this will all effect your estro and will promote and increase.

Also, OP, how noticeable is your gyno? I have a slight swollen chest but i dont think anyone would identify it as gyno.

EDIT: i sincerely think you should give finasteride another round, its our only shot at keeping what we got while minimizing the sides all the other drugs offer.

 

[scorpiolove]

To the OP I don't know how bad your hairloss is, but you just skipped another weekend feeling bad instead of enjoying your life, when I was your age I'd go to the bars with my friend and have fun regardless. Procrastination is masterbation, he who hesitates masterbates. My point of this post is play the game, a great batter in baseball averages three out of ten hits, that's not just good it's great, one thing for sure, your sure to get zero scores if you don't even try. Get a residual income, a place of your own, some good clothes, hygene, good physique etc. Do what you can while you can.

 

[shookwun]

Some of you guys are so coocoo, to the point where you take estrogenic, and feminizing compounds in hopes to maintain hair. Not to mention the longer you take these drugs the likelihood of having physical side effects become even more prevalent in your quest for a ship that is sailing away.



Are you crazy? get a hair transplant or wear a prosthesis.

Absolute bat shine insane to take aforementioned hormone compounds.



If you are that determined to take finasteride, then fiddle around around with an aromatise inhibitor. Even those have bad sides....

 

[whatevr]

Some of you guys are so coocoo, to the point where you take estrogenic, and feminizing compounds in hopes to maintain hair. Not to mention the longer you take these drugs the likelihood of having physical side effects become even more prevalent in your quest for a ship that is sailing away.



Are you crazy? get a hair transplant or wear a prosthesis.

Absolute bat shine insane to take aforementioned hormone compounds.



If you are that determined to take finasteride, then fiddle around around with an aromatise inhibitor. Even those have bad sides....

You think it's so simple isn't it? Get a hair transplant.

Mate, I live in an ex-Yugoslavian Balkanese shitstain of a country that is 20 years post-war and the economy is in shambles. Due to health issues I only finished college last year, and am now working on my first job that is still poorly paid (going to be 25 in a month). By the time I have several thousand euros lying on the side to get a hair transplant, I will be at least 30 years old. That means another 5 years of waiting at the minimum.

I am already at a point where just looking in the mirror makes me not want to invest another second of effort into my stupid body and it takes a lot of willpower to even do the basics like go to work, eat right, exercise and sleep properly. If it gets any worse, I just won't be able to cope, I am running out of mental gymnastics as is.

Meanwhile, I am buying myself some sanity with drugs that cost pennies a month. I had 3 months of 'good hair life' due to estrogen where my side effects were not much worse than Finasteride but I didn't have a girlfriend at the time so I did not notice that my libido and erections were less than ideal. But in that time, I didn't worry about my hair, I barely even came here, and I was leading a semi-normal life. Then the past 3 months I've been trying to find a non-hormonal solution to my hair loss and it just doesn't work. It just keeps thinning and I've tried a lot of sh*t.

I wish I could work out something, perhaps using RU would allow me to use far less estrogen and then maintain without side effects, but it's pretty expensive and our customs are a b**ch and would probably seize every or every other package.

Not everyone's situation and perspective is the same. May sound crazy to you but to me it's the most rational thing to do all things considered.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

how is zix treating you?