Tsuji, Riken, Organ Technologies Hair Cloning Poll

[Subigang]

Hi everyone,

Just curious. When do you think Tsuji / Organ Technologies / Riken will complete trials and hair cloning will hit the market as an option for treatment?

There is already a poll for when the next treatment will hit the market, but this one is for Tsuji’s stem cell research, specifically.

 

[kiwi666]

Stupid poll because no matter the result it’s just group speculation.

HOPEFULLY it’ll be ready in a couple of years.

 

[Dimmer97]

This is dumb. Doesn't give us any information at all.

 

[Dhldan]

While nobody knows, this last year a lot of companies have been dropping like flies.
The future doesn’t look so good anymore now.
We only have what tsuji to hold onto and follica now?

Maybe replicel even tho they’ve been pushed back even more, it just doesnt look promising.

 

[Cymro27]

While nobody knows, this last year a lot of companies have been dropping like flies.
The future doesn’t look so good anymore now.
We only have what tsuji to hold onto and follica now?

Maybe replicel even tho they’ve been pushed back even more, it just doesnt look promising.

What do you mean by dropping like flies?
Organ technologies are just delayed.
Tissuse are starting preclinical trials with a partner in Japan.
I think there's about 3 more companies exploring the cloning route.
And Replicel/Shiseido results are supposedly reporting their results this month with their cell therapy.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

[Goodsend]

In my opinion in Japan it can hit the market in 5 years but initially it will be crazy expensive, so wait another 5 years for the price to be a bit lower (still expensive) and we get to 10 years. So I'd say around 2030.

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

Never.

Only antiandrogens and estradiol can beat hairloss.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

Stupid poll because no matter the result it’s just group speculation.

HOPEFULLY it’ll be ready in a couple of years.

With the state of the hairloss industry that's all we got, fam.

I suspect a limited release of hair cloning technology within the next five years. Unlimited availability will be another thing. The funding might even be a secondary problem since many aesthetic surgery procedures offer options via which the whole price can be paid back over the years via rates but the waiting lists might be long for a lack of infrastructure.

 

[soull]

With the state of the hairloss industry that's all we got, fam.

I suspect a limited release of hair cloning technology within the next five years. Unlimited availability will be another thing. The funding might even be a secondary problem since many aesthetic surgery procedures offer options via which the whole price can be paid back over the years via rates but the waiting lists might be long for a lack of infrastructure.

in the hypothetical case of this coming out, in the "problem" of infrastructure would give them quick solution, if they see that everything is going as desired they would do something with it. the biggest problem is about the condition and foreign clients.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

in the hypothetical case of this coming out, in the "problem" of infrastructure would give them quick solution, if they see that everything is going as desired they would do something with it. the biggest problem is about the condition and foreign clients.

Don't think so. The transfer of knowledge will be the hardest part. This is not a mere mechanical process in the same way hair transplants are. It's a highly complex procedure on the cellular level that requires absolutely specialized equipment and highly trained operators.

What do you mean by 'condition'?

 

[soull]

Don't think so. The transfer of knowledge will be the hardest part. This is not a mere mechanical process in the same way hair transplants are. It's a highly complex procedure on the cellular level that requires absolutely specialized equipment and highly trained operators.

What do you mean by 'condition'?

well it's true if, but I think this company will have thought about it, I still see that it's no problem.

It is supposed to be a conditional marketing, this may affect foreigners who do not live in Japan.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

well it's true if, but I think this company will have thought about it, I still see that it's no problem.

It is supposed to be a conditional marketing, this may affect foreigners who do not live in Japan.

I hope you are right.
Two things to consider: OT/Rikken runs on government funds and is entering absolutely new territory whose possibilities extend far beyond mere hairloss treatment. Tsuji's priority at the moment seems to be to achieve a medical breakthrough first and foremost not to create a commercial empire from the get go. As I remember according to him the plan was to service a mere 10000 patients per year and that is after creating additional facilities in China and other East Asian countries.
I am rather optimistic concerning the availability. Tsuji mentioned that he is confident to be able to bring a lot of medical tourism to Japan in a recent article.

 

[JimmyB]

lol I hope the "less than 5 years" crowd is right but we've been hearing 5 years for 30 years

 

[Dhldan]

What do you mean by dropping like flies?
Organ technologies are just delayed.
Tissuse are starting preclinical trials with a partner in Japan.
I think there's about 3 more companies exploring the cloning route.
And Replicel/Shiseido results are supposedly reporting their results this month with their cell therapy.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

I was refering to duds like brotzu, failures like seti/allergan, JAK Inhibitors failing aswell, and etc.

Then there are companies like tissue, invitro, & hairclone where all they have is papers & no real data.

I was really hoping tsuji would start human trials this yr, hopefully they don’t postpone again. Although that most likely will happen bc companies normally postpone bc there’s still flaws in the treatment. Most companies take longer than a year to figure out and solve this or just fail completely.

 

[Dhldan]

lol I hope the "less than 5 years" crowd is right but we've been hearing 5 years for 30 years

Yup, I was apart of the 2020-2022 crowd, but after what transpired these last 1-2 years I realized how these companies really aren’t close yet.

 

[Subigang]

What transpired?
This article seems to show that Tsuji is pretty on track:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsob.190010

 

[ZP31]

What transpired?
This article seems to show that Tsuji is pretty on track:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsob.190010

2020 is the year boys.

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

*autistic screeching*

Sorry, I don't understand.

 

[Subigang]

well it's true if, but I think this company will have thought about it, I still see that it's no problem.

It is supposed to be a conditional marketing, this may affect foreigners who do not live in Japan.

I agree that the main thing we should think about is how long it will be exclusive to Japan. It does seem like Kyocera is preparing to fully commercialize this, it’s just a matter of when it will open up to foreigners.