What Is The Real Cause Of Finasteride/ Dutasteride Induced Gynecomastia

[michel sapin]

I would like to know the exact cause of it .
IS it the really low DHT level ? or more the higher oestradiol level ?

We know that pseudohermaphrodite have low DHT level (, but stil higher than many dutasteride users .)
And they also have normal E2 level .

 

[hemingway_the_mercenary]

its both

when test doesnt get reduced to DHT more of it able to conver to estradiol. On top of this DHT by iself has some anti estrogenic protperties
because it results in such strong androgenic gene experssion it greatly offsets the estrogenic gene expersion that is being caused by estradiol. Thats why taking finasteride is like taking your foot off the brake and putting it on the gas pedal on a car thats trying to slow down

I dont think anyone can get true gyno on just finasteride tho, usually the nipple swells to a certain point and doesnt grow beyond that

 

[michel sapin]

thanks for the answer man .
Also on dutasteride you don't think that the gyno will grow too much ?
But low DHT itself isn't the cause of the breast tissue growth ? it is only an hormone which antagonize right ?

 

[hemingway_the_mercenary]

thanks for the answer man .
Also on dutasteride you don't think that the gyno will grow too much ?
But low DHT itself isn't the cause of the breast tissue growth ? it is only an hormone which antagonize right ?

It’s puffy nips on finasteride and dutasteride. Not pleasant to have. See my thread about topicals. I’m using topical finasteride at a very low dose without the side effects rn

 

[michel sapin]

sure not pleasant . I am considering to see dr blau which is one of the few surgeon who remove the whole gland . but 8000 dollar is a lot of money

 

[washed_up]

Don't forget gland receptor sensitivity. Some guys get gyno during puberty just because of that alone. Even a modest increase in estradiol levels could trigger it.

 

[el_duterino]

I took finasteride and dutasteride for years - 10 years total- and never had anything like that in would imagine this is a very rare case maybe linked to being overweight with boobs already

 

[CuredMouse]

I took finasteride and dutasteride for years - 10 years total- and never had anything like that in would imagine this is a very rare case maybe linked to being overweight with boobs already

Did you experience other side effects?

 

[el_duterino]

Not on finasteride but on dutasteride I had low libido and brain fog at times

Back then I did not know much about the benefits of using topical anti androgen and sources were scarce so I kept using dutasteride despite those side effects - with v**** when needed

Today we have much better options such as CB and coupled with new drugs that tackle the issue from novel and different angles such as stemoxydine there is no need to go through these side effects anymore

 

[michel sapin]

I am not overweight at all and have never been ; currently at 184 cm for 63 kg .
Never got gyno during puberty and didn't even know that thing would exist before touching a 5 ar inhibitor

 

[michel sapin]

@el_duterino ; according to your long experience ;IS dutasteride better at maintaining hairline than propecia ?

 

[el_duterino]

yes dutasteride is better than finasteride for hairline
And CB is better than dutasteride for hairline
And Daro is better than CB for hairline

 

[el_duterino]

People have reported sides on Daro so for long term maintenance its pretty much CB if you have hairline issues and finasteride if it's only the crown

 

[tysono]

People have reported sides on Daro so for long term maintenance its pretty much CB if you have hairline issues and finasteride if it's only the crown

Is there any photo evidence for CB and daro results? Not having a knock at you, I just genuinely haven’t seen any photos

 

[el_duterino]

The question was does it maitain hair so how can we have photo evidence of this?

Pretty much any decently powerful anti androgen will work - the issues is at what cost

For CB they already did studies on hair and it worked and we know it's 3 times as powerful as flutamide and Flutamide worked fine for me and a lot of others

Daro is the most powerful so it may be overkill for most except the few that failed on everything else

 

[el_duterino]

I had a Fue 1500 grafts hairline surgery to fill the loss I had before starting finasteride

That was in 2014

I would be in deep sh*t if islands of hairline developed over time - that would be worse than balding naturally

But thanks to RU and minoxidil and stemoxydine I have maintained fine for the last 4 years - it looks exactly the same than 4 years ago no way any photo is going to pickup any changes

I would also strongly recommend adding the MSM supplement, this should be a standard for anyone with hair loss and stemox, alone those don't much but in combo wiht the rest you get better results and zero sides

 

[telogen]

People have reported sides on Daro so for long term maintenance its pretty much CB if you have hairline issues and finasteride if it's only the crown

But CB is weaker then RU and RU is not very strong to begin with. Most people with moderate or strong levels of balding will slowly lose ground with RU, so hoping to maintain on CB is very optimistic. I'm aware of your situation but i believe it's very rare to be able to maintain on the low dosages of AA you're been using for years. Most balding guys i think would be needing a combination of Daro and finasteride/dutasteride to battle hairloss long term.

 

[tysono]

Can someone link to a few success stories whilst using daro, cb, ru etc? I’m looking to stop using dutasteride, but not sure of anything that could help me maintain instead.

 

[Maave]

I have a source to support hemingway's answer of "both". T/DHT seem to block the effect of E in breast tissue.

https://books.google.com/books?id=KZ95AAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA237&pg=PA237#v=onepage&q&f=true

Look at the section "Estradiol and Testosterone: Duelling Steroids"

This suggests that, in the complete absence of androgen inhibition, modest levels of estradiol are capable of stimulating significant breast growth

 

[abcdefg]

But CB is weaker then RU and RU is not very strong to begin with. Most people with moderate or strong levels of balding will slowly lose ground with RU, so hoping to maintain on CB is very optimistic. I'm aware of your situation but i believe it's very rare to be able to maintain on the low dosages of AA you're been using for years. Most balding guys i think would be needing a combination of Daro and finasteride/dutasteride to battle hairloss long term.

How on earth do we know that CB is weaker than RU based off what bro scientists? Your talking about two purely experimental chemicals. The studies on both are pretty preliminary to say the least. Having a small study doesnt conclusively prove much of anything. Its merely a mild suggestion for further research. Trials take 10 years for a reason