Which Natural Topical should I use?

[HAIRLOSSMILITANT]

As mentioned earlier, I did not respond to Propecia. Used it over a year with continuous "thinning". Not even "maintenance". I'm a great responder to minoxidil but decided to stop it and keep it for future use per HairLossTalk.com's recommendation. So I'd like to start some other topicals. Can you guys please compare these three topical 5r inhibitors.

1) Revivogen
Its got quite a good mixture of natural stuff "supposedly" to work somewhat. Well, I'll never know until I'll try. Their strong point is they use some sort of liposime delivery system so absorbtion is very good.

2) Crinagen
Similar to Revivogen but less in number of "ingredients". Also, their delivery system is not as high class as Revivogens. Strong point is HairLossTalk.com also promotes this product so there must be something good about it? (well I trust HairLossTalk.com sort to speak).

3) HairGenesis
Hardly anyone talks about this so I guess it does not work. Even worse, their own double blind study resulted in 60% of users as getting "better". Firstly, 60% is quite low and Well..."better" could mean one extra hair or what? However, strong point is they have a good "combo" combination that I've not seen elsewhere. They have the same ingredients in all three products that is the topical syrum, the oral soft gel, and their shampoo (conditioner too actually). So if one uses all 3 I suppose some sort of synergystic effect would help. Lastly HairGenesis has a very good discount price on their "combo" if you order for 12 months.

4) spironolactone or Fluridil
Androgen receptor blocker. Very good I suppose but want to save it after testing atleast one of the three above. Or does it have a synergystic effect with one of the above?

People, please don't tell me to use minoxidil. I'm keeping it as my deadly weapon of last resort. After hearing all the news of minoxidil tolerance after 2-3 years, I stopped it. I'm still NW1-1.5 so no need to hurry. Last year I used 5% minoxidil for 5 months and my temples filled in 95%. They're now receding again but I'm gonna try some natural topicals just to test them for the moment. I'm also on Propecia but that does not work for me. I don't "hold on" to my hair with just using Propecia.

Thanks for any comments.

 

[salazam]

interested in these answers as well. help.

 

[Guest]

I have had good luck with crinagen (maintaining hair at current state) ALONG with minoxidil and other items listed in my regimen. I WOULD NOT stop taking minoxidil or wait to take it. That is a bullshit strategy (in my opinion) for someone who is losing their hair while using propecia.

Gamble at your own risk.

 

[Resultsnottypical]

Good one...now I just hope HairLossTalk.com takes it in good humor too..you both have a lot to offer on here and I tend to agree with you both on different things.

I don't understand what the fear is of rogaine...it grows more than finasteride, it is cheap, it has virtually no side-effects, and saying that you have to be on it for life (or develop a tolerance, I assume that is what you meant) or else those hairs will fall out...well, from the GET-GO you have to assume that you will be fighting this for years to come, so, it's a matter of "pick your poison".

Personally, I'll take the greasy head (its only for about one hour anyhow) and slow growth process, over sexual side effects, also with no promise that it will work for regrowth and other unknowns.

 

[JesusFreak]

From the choices youve given, I'd recommend Dr. Lees 2% by far. I grew a ton of hair using the 2% as a single agent. This stuff works great, at least on my hair.

I would also strongly suggest Nizoral as well as Cu-peptides.

I agree w/Bruce...I don't see any reason whatsoever to stop using minoxidil. We are all up against the clock for a cure. A cure isnt going to do any good if the follicle is incapable of producing terminal hairs. As far as putting off minoxidil. If not now when?? Does HairLossTalk.com have a date that we should all start using minoxidil, which will guarantee that our schedule coinsides with a cure?

 

[blue]

Stay away from hair genesis.They like to scam people.Also there are many on this site that would choose spironolactone.

it works in a way similar to finasteride but without the side effects.(i chose this as an alternative to propecia cause of the sexual side effects i have been hearin).

Many on this site swear by it,but by it being an alcohol base liquid(the 2%)it smells kinda weird when on your head.If you get the 5% lotion,it has no smell to it at all although application is a little harder.

 

[HairlossTalk]

Bruce,

1. I requested that you stop quoting entire posts. Please discontinue this.

2. It is never a mature, wise decision to make snide comments (aka "friendly jokes") immediately after a heated disagreement, as they will not be taken as friendly jokes... so refrain from making sarcastic comments about me, if you please.

3. If you actually read my posts, you would have seen that I never suggest someone avoid minoxidil if they are a non-responder to propecia, and are continuing to lose hair, aside from a temporary shed. I absolutely agree to use something else if after 6 months to a year you are not responding to propecia, and are continuing to lose hair. I've said that over and over. My statement was if you are a responder, and are maintaining, you cannot make the claim that you're still losing hairs that would otherwise be saved by minoxidil.

4. Hair genesis is a saw palmetto based product. The owner of it "G. Marcovici" is also the guy who put together the single solitary study on Saw Palmetto that people keep finding on PubMed. This same study, and same guy were publicly ousted on national television a year ago as being fraudulent research, and a useless product. So listen to the above post regarding Hair Genesis.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[HairlossTalk]

As far as putting off minoxidil. If not now when?? Does HairLossTalk.com have a date that we should all start using minoxidil, which will guarantee that our schedule coinsides with a cure?

Did you read my posts on this?

Have I ever said anything about randomly, ambiguously holding off on minoxidil for an indeterminant period of time with absolutely no logic behind my suggestion?

I've explained in multiple posts an exact gameplan for when and why one should consider waiting, and exactly how long they should wait.

If you need me to repeat myself, I can do that. Please refrain from snide comments. It does not reflect on your faith very well.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[Kramer3]

Hairlossmilitant: What the f*** are you thinking? If minoxidil worked that well for you then why would you possibly stop using it? Do you realize that a hair follical can atrophy to a certain point where it will never be able to grow back to it's full strength. By waiting your allowing hairs to atrophy that can be rejuvenated simply by applying minoxidil. Your temples grew back "95%" yet you discontinued treatment. Man I wish I was in your shoes. I know you said not to tell you to use minoxidil but by not using it your making a stupid choice.

BTW: Not everyone experiences diminished results in 3 years and even if you did you would then be able to use treatments that you listed above to maintain a full head of hair until something bigger and better comes out.

 

[Guest]

Be careful Kramer, you will be reprimanded!

 

[Healthy Nick]

I keep hearing of people that have been using minoxidil for 10+ years and it is kicking *** for them. No sign of stopping. That gives me a lot of hope.

 

[Guest]

I keep hearing of people that have been using minoxidil for 10+ years and it is kicking *** for them. No sign of stopping. That gives me a lot of hope.

That is why we persevere in spite of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune!! :hairy:

 

[JesusFreak]

If you need me to repeat myself, I can do that.

Perhaps you should. Justified or not, you seem to have the guy who started this thread, and those who have responded, believing they should stop rogaine.

[/quote]Please refrain from snide comments. It does not reflect on your faith very well.[/qoute]

My reaction was more in the spirit of shock rather than snide. But, since we are being judgemental and presumptuous, your oversensitivity doesn't reflect good entrepreneurship either.

 

[HairlossTalk]

You were being sarcastic, and I simply said its unnecessary. That isn't oversensitivity, its asking you to fight clean.

You made your other comments without having familiarized yourself with where I stand on an issue.

My position, again, as I have written all over this 500 page web site (I can't believe you missed it) is this:

1. Brand new hair loss sufferer, experiencing thinning or receding, Propecia and Nizoral alone should be sufficient to completely stop his hair loss, assuming he is one of the 83% of responders. He should give it 6 months to a year to work. Chances are, in 4 months he's going to see total stoppage of hair loss and total maintenance, and in 8 months he'll see some rethickening, and he will have a good 7 years of nothing but popping a pill every day to deal with. If he does not see results after 6 months to a year, he should consider adding 2% or 5% rogaine to his regimen, and give it another 6 to 8 months.

2. Hair loss sufferer who has already lost a noticeable amount of hair and needs to regrow as well as stop further loss ...he should use Rogaine and Propecia and Nizoral up front. No exceptions, unless for some reason he's happy to keep what he has and not grow any more. He's still got a 30% chance of regrowing some hair on Propecia alone.

Its not arbitrary. Its the conclusion I came to as being the most intelligent way to go. Just my opinion however, and I am consistent in that its exactly how I am conducting my regimen. I successfully stopped all hair loss on Propecia alone, and have even continued stopping it without Propecia by using Revivogen and Topical spironolactone instead. I still haven't even tapped into the power of Rogaine yet, and that makes me veyr very happy to know I've still got it there, if everything falls through for me. A lot more peace of mind than if I was already using everything up front, and everything fell through for me. Then I'd literally have no alternatives waiting in the wings. I'd be sh*t out of luck.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[JesusFreak]

I'm new here, so thanks for the clarification.