White Button Mushroom Decreases Both Estrogen & DHT - Big 4?

[DHTHater]

According to studies, the ingested form of White Button Mushroom (aka the Large White Mushroom or common white mushroom) decreases both estrogen and DHT, through suppression of both aromatase (needed to synthesize estrogen), and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) making it ostensibly the perfect nutritional addition to the Big 3 approach, as it lowers the estradiol that Finasteride indirectly causes, and also suppresses DHT. What makes it potentially exciting, is these results were found in vivo given orally with rats at the very least, and it's unclear (different studies at different times), but possibly humans. Certainly not in a petri dish. Meaning People could potentially get started right away adding these to their diet for benefit.

How it may interact with Finasteride is yet to be seen, and I'm curious to see if lower estrogen means an invariable raise in free testosterone (theoretically, indirectly bad for male pattern baldness), but according to the study not only did it lower estrogen levels, it also slowed hair loss, which if true broadly, would make it the perfect partner supplement for Fiansteride users worried about growing man boobs or low libido. It's prospectively intriguing, and I'd love to see more extensive studies.

http://www.thecancerblog.com/2006/03/19/button-mushrooms-prostate-and-breast-cancer-prevention/

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/131/12/3288

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/c...om&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/new_research/20061218.jsp

 

[alvintws]

This is a very interesting and informative post. Thanks man! 100g of mushroom daily is not that hard.

 

[abcdefg]

Well how many white button mushrooms does it take to lower DHT and estrogen by what amount? No one knows.
The first link you posted has its groundings in a PDF that comes from www.themushroomcouncil.com so I mean what do you think those guys are going to say? Every food company and their mother are trying to find any kind of far reaching health benefit for their product with this new health fad sweeping everyone up. I mean everything from potato chips to ice cream has been fortified with antioxidants now.

 

[DHTHater]

Well how many white button mushrooms does it take to lower DHT and estrogen by what amount? No one knows.
The first link you posted has its groundings in a PDF that comes from http://www.themushroomcouncil.com so I mean what do you think those guys are going to say? Every food company and their mother are trying to find any kind of far reaching health benefit for their product with this new health fad sweeping everyone up. I mean everything from potato chips to ice cream has been fortified with antioxidants now.

The mushroom food council isn't a "food company" though. They don't stand to directly profit from these studies as individual growers, and marketers would. They don't own a patent on mushrooms. So I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Obviously like any organization , they are going to report any good findings that relate to food they represent. But their motivation to plug their product doesn't change medical studies. The studies are good or they are bad. They'll obviously not talk about bad things related to mushrooms, and conversely they'll do their best to get the news out about anything good. That's inane, common sense.

They're referring to research done by Dr. Shiuan Chen and his team at the Department of Surgical Research, Beckman Research Institute of the City of Hope. The study results aren't hinged on the desires of the mushroom council.
I don't care if the mushroom council makes billboards about the reports, if the news is good I'll still be interested despite what the mushroom council thinks or does.

I reported what I found. As I mentioned before, I'm still interested in more extensive clinical trials with humans. But so far Dr. Shiuan Chen has given us some intriguing reports.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

maybe a way to combat gyno ?

a little more estrogenblocking would be great , but in a slight level....
better then the anti-oestrogenmedicine that blocks everything...

the 100 grams daily , is this for a normal male of 20 years or older ?

 

[wesleyBelgium]

i started with daily dose of : 250 grams white button mushrooms...

to see what it could do to lower estrogen, normally in counteraction your body would generate more testo....

sinds i use extern and intern a verry good dhtblokker , a higher testo would not be a problem for me

i want some more energy for in the gym

 

[Bryan]

to see what it could do to lower estrogen, normally in counteraction your body would generate more testo....

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, you've got it backwards: estrogen suppresses the production of testosterone, it doesn't encourage it.

 

[DHR]

But I HATE mushrooms

 

[squeegee]

WOW! good discovery. Now we have to find a good mushrooms supplement/extract so we can get the same potency without the hassle of eating 100 grams of shrooms! unk:

Here ya go!! http://www.drbvitamins.com/products.htm ... ties&id=11

 

[47thin]

You realize that eating extraordinary amounts of a "natural" substance that causes the same reaction as a "drug" effect would have it's own set of side effects? Opium is natural, but just as addictive as synthetic morphine, etc.

 

[squeegee]

You realize that eating extraordinary amounts of a "natural" substance that causes the same reaction as a "drug" effect would have it's own set of side effects? Opium is natural, but just as addictive as synthetic morphine, etc.

Here ya go.. The live in fear slogan again.. It is like everything else in life. I can have drinks without getting drunk.. Just be wise about your intake and start slow. f*** sake. :spam:

 

[47thin]

Live in fear? Did I mention your alcoholism? I think not!

What I mean was mega doses of "natural" supplements can be unhealthy. Too many carrots turned my wife orange once.

:stupid: Is someone bugging you about your drinking? You probably have a problem then.....

 

[squeegee]

Live in fear? Did I mention your alcoholism? I think not!

What I mean was mega doses of "natural" supplements can be unhealthy. Too many carrots turned my wife orange once.

:stupid: Is someone bugging you about your drinking? You probably have a problem then.....

LOL. wifey turned orange!!!!!! Gonna start to give some Beta Caroten to the GF then..she is f*****g white just like Casper! Not crazy enough to go buy 2 000 0000 grams of mushrooms...just going with a supplement form.

 

[billythekid]

magic mushrooms work too?

need to find a group of long-time-shroomers and see if they have full heads of hair.

 

[tonyj]

That would be magic. Finding a majority of mushroom farmers with a full head of hair, even where family genetics enhance the chance of hair loss.

 

[goata007]

If it is effective at blocking DHT, then it would have almost same side effects as propecia i.e. loss of libido, erection issues etc.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

i use it for the oestrogenblokking.... blocking more the aromatizing...

i use duta and other stuff 2

i preffer blocking some aromatizing and hoping for a rise in testo and maybe a bit more libido as well...

more testo in my system does not scare me sinds i use a verry goed androgen receptor breaker in a topical 2x day and duta every day 0,5mg
and other products

the most intresting about this muschrooms is that they lower the aromatizing of testo to oestrogen...

 

[47thin]

I think Squeegee miss construed what I was trying to say- vitamins such as Niacin have been proven to lower cholesterol, but at the effective doses, you still need to monitor the liver and have flushing in some people- such as I once had taking one pill! Pretty scary until i found out what it was! Basically, they can be as toxic as a synthetic. I wish it were so easy for everyone.

Squeegee, don't drink and post.

And yes, the wife, before we met, had a run in with beta caretine (spelling!).

 

[billythekid]

do we eat these raw?

is anyone eating them raw atm?

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

You can get the same sort of reaction with a slightly different hue from eating an overabundance of tomatoes. It's actually completely harmless except for maybe a splash of embarrassment if you are prone to such things.