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minoxiDjunkie

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Hypothesis---

Guys who have used birth control pills orally apparently gets full regrowth almost to nw0,
Guys thats taking it topically on the scalp gets nice regrowth as well,
The guy on youtube, korean i think - took it orally but also got boobies...

It seems that best regrowth is with internal BCP (due to more estrogen....?.) and DHT blockers,
Problem is - more estrogen = feminization.

So how about using both - BCP and estrogen blockers like what guys use for gyno - Anastrozole and Tamoxifen ---- internally or topically .
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jimmyhairte

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So what you're saying is if you feel hot from turning up the heating too much, simply turn on the AC as well?

If you take BCP and block Estradiol you might as well just take CPA. At least those are the only two active BCP components I know of.
 

hellouser

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Guys, this is crazy.. STOP messing with estrogen.

Yeah man! Start practicing nofap and turn into vaginas in other ways!
 

maher

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Yeah man! Start practicing nofap and turn into vaginas in other ways!

NoFap raises T slight above a baseline and lowers DHT, on long run. Also lowers E... which often manifests in reduction of belly fat (which can also be caused by higher E.)
I have a full 6pack showing tnx to nofap. I never had it before.
 

hellouser

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NoFap raises T slight above a baseline and lowers DHT, on long run. Also lowers E... which often manifests in reduction of belly fat (which can also be caused by higher E.)
I have a full 6pack showing tnx to nofap. I never had it before.

SO TRUE! It also makes your penor bigger by about 5%, lowers cholesterol and even grows hair!

lol
 

maher

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SO TRUE! It also makes your penor bigger by about 5%, lowers cholesterol and even grows hair!

lol

J. Christ! you enjoy arguing with me. Why are you always so pissed and bitter. Dont say its hair or fvcking society. Maybe its time for you to do some NoFap, to calibrate your dopamine circuits. Just give a little guy a break.. its not his fold!
 

hellouser

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J. Christ! you enjoy arguing with me. Why are you always so pissed and bitter. Dont say its hair or fvcking society.

It's that and you.
 

recedingyt

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I don't know about birth control pills but I did find this study that showed among transgendered women suffering from male pattern baldness, those who took Estradiol had complete reversal of hair loss. It doesn't cite how much hair loss they had though so I don't think it means you can go from a completely bald NW6-NW7 to NW1.

You will literally develop boobs though. Not gynecomastia - full on female breasts. It will probably also make you infertile, develop erectile disfunction, etc. When I say "probably" I mean "you will almost definitely experience these sides".

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Found the full article http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/lINNJXv_

The before and after pictures are misleading. I wouldn't call that anywhere near "full regrowth", but it is impressive nonetheless. Perhaps someone who has not been bald as long as this NW7 MtF person was would see better results.
 

hellouser

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I don't know about birth control pills but I did find this study that showed among transgendered women suffering from male pattern baldness, those who took Estradiol had complete reversal of hair loss. It doesn't cite how much hair loss they had though so I don't think it means you can go from a completely bald NW6-NW7 to NW1.

You will literally develop boobs though. Not gynecomastia - full on female breasts. It will probably also make you infertile, develop erectile disfunction, etc. When I say "probably" I mean "you will almost definitely experience these sides".

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Found the full article http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/lINNJXv_

The before and after pictures are misleading. I wouldn't call that anywhere near "full regrowth", but it is impressive nonetheless. Perhaps someone who has not been bald as long as this NW7 MtF person was would see better results.

There's a potential that used topically you won't have the side effects.

Wait, isn't this basically spironolactone S5?
 

recedingyt

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There's a potential that used topically you won't have the side effects.

Wait, isn't this basically spironolactone S5?

This is what the study claims that the person was on:

Estradiol 0.2 mg, estrone solution, Coumadin, minoxidil 2%, Aldactone 200 mg, tretinoin 0.025%

I know very little about estrone solution or coumadin but that seems like a very low dose of estradiol compared to what most MtF patients take. Most take between 4-8mg per day. The regrowth could have potentially been much better if she took a normal dose of estradiol and was using 5% minoxidil. This was in the late 80s/early 90s though so maybe we learned a lot since then.

As for using it topically, the first link on my post seems to indicate it's not practical because of the dosage required for it to work topically (and taken orally would introduce all the bad side effects):
Due to unwanted side effects like gynecomastia, E2 should not be used in men because very high topical doses seem to be required to obtain measurable hair growth effects.
 
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