Why Are More People Not Talking About Samumed?
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Looking forward to comboing it with minoxodil and microneedling, Looking forward to histogen releasing in mexico more though. That being said sm is more likely to get through.
When is Histogen set to release and how are the studies looking like so far? Haven't kept up with them much.
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No'one knows even if there was a stated date I wouldn't trust it with all the delays. According to their ceo Gail Naughton they are in the middle of phase 3's in mexico though.
Sounds promising, hoping by mid 2020 we get something decent at the least.
You know what ? Nowadays, people are expecting a full regrowth (NW7 to NW1) after 3 months. This, 10% increase in non-velus hair count after 3 months, well, they all laughed
Look at Brotzu, why is it so famous ? because of the claim of 5 years regrowth.
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Because its only 10% according to them and you can already do WNT angle with LiCl for example.
Weren't the studies done on NW4-7 though, and for only 3 months? Sounds like at worst maintenance, also the fact that they're funding a huge Phase III trial means they obviously see something in it, hopefully at least.
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I dunno, either way, you can already do WNT at home.
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There don't seem to be many people having results with LiCl, correct me if I'm wrong though. And 10 percent in 3 months doesn't sound bad to me
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Well, you can't just apply LiCl. It wont go through your skin. You have to dermaroll first and apply afterwards. So its really impossible to say if LiCl works on its own or not. I do it just in case it does something. If Samumed releases their product - great! But I wont hold my breath.
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Just want to mention that in clinical trials, they don’t tend to use the word ‘significant’ to describe their results.. Significance according to who? It’s subjective.
What they normally mean is “statistical significant” which conventionally means that there is a 5% chance the results were due to chance rather than the drug. The lower the P value, the better.
In reality, the results didn’t seem to be as good as minoxidil, and for some bizarre reason the lower dose worked better.
The good news is that this is a new angle, and the company has a lot of money...
Not sure whether I understand it correctly or not but phase 2 result talked about increases new follicle, not hair. Whether it is the brand new follicle or the awakened dormant follicle remains to be seen, but this is definitely something new.
Phase 2 lasted for 90 days and 44 days of following ups and it is such a short time for a hair loss treatment.
And again, minoxidil is just a temporary solution.
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Agreed that minoxidil is temporary, but as far as I can read, Samumed in my opinion did not have amazing results for non-Vellus.. and why wasn’t it dose dependent? What gives..?
If these follicles were brand new, then that is a great achievement yes. I believe follica’s patent did mention the use of Samumed drug for its wound induced neo genesis.
I just wonder how cosmetically significant this all could be.
Also I know this sounds silly, but I don’t like the fact that the Chief Scientist, Chief Medical Officer, and Chief Executive officer are all Turkish.. it feels like the company lacks diversity and kind of like a family business..
If I know that there are "brand-new" or "awakening" follicles on my head, I would be much happier than having existing thickening from minoxidil, which may last for a year.
Diversity-wise, they are just start-up, what to do expect ?
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Is that really ever going to happen? They dont communicate their progress at all. Histogen really let me down.
10 percent in 3 months could be a lot better in 6 or 12 months. finasteride can have no results in 3 months and amazing results in 12 no one really understands why these things are.
Id rather have CB as a safe way to prevent more damage from androgens than this. CB alone or combined with finasteride might be enough to prevent and stop male pattern baldness for decades in most men. This stuff does not sound like it will really prevent hair loss but more a flavor of minoxidil to regrow
I remember WNT is the downstream of DHT in hair loss process, hence, if they can play around with this WNT pathway, then blocking DHT may not be necessary. Correct me if I am wrong though.
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It's not silly at all.
It's pretty much indicative of who's investing in it.
Guess!