Why people here think norwood 2 is better than thinning crown?

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I believe a receding hairline can make the best looking people look just average but a thinning crown is still better. Why people here think otherwise? Receding hairline changes the frame of face and a drastic difference appears. Keanu Reeves for example.
 

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It really depends on how severe the recession or crown balding is. I would much rather have a NW2 with full density and no crown thinning than a NW0 with a gigantic bald spot in the back. But I'd much rather take some slight thinning at the back of the head over a NW3+ hairline.

The bald spot at the back is like the symbol that you're balding, some mild recession can be passed off as a high hairline or a mature hairline or just how your hairline is, but when you have a bald spot at the back there is just no going around the fact that you're balding.

Although if it is just some very slight thinning at the back it could arguably be passed off as a cowlick.
 

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It really depends on how severe the recession or crown balding is. I would much rather have a NW2 with full density and no crown thinning than a NW0 with a gigantic bald spot in the back. But I'd much rather take some slight thinning at the back of the head over a NW3+ hairline.

The bald spot at the back is like the symbol that you're balding, some mild recession can be passed off as a high hairline or a mature hairline or just how your hairline is, but when you have a bald spot at the back there is just no going around the fact that you're balding.

Although if it is just some very slight thinning at the back it could arguably be passed off as a cowlick.
Yes jfl, when your crown is gone you are automatically a creep if you interact with young non balding people, which is worse if you are young. NW2 is not that rare and looks normal and is considered a full head of hair. On the other hand you need a huge amount of grafts for the crown area if you go the transplant route. Front is fixable with 1/2 transplants, scalp and midscalp are the issue and that is where finasteride comes in which works great on the midscalp and the crown.
 

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Yes jfl, when your crown is gone you are automatically a creep if you interact with young non balding people, which is worse if you are young. NW2 is not that rare and looks normal and is considered a full head of hair. On the other hand you need a huge amount of grafts for the crown area if you go the transplant route. Front is fixable with 1/2 transplants, scalp and midscalp are the issue and that is where finasteride comes in which works great on the midscalp and the crown.
Yeah when I became aware of this balding stuff in late 2019 (I had been aggressively losing hair for like two years at that point but I was oblivious/in denial of it), while I hated (still do) my recession and thinning, the bald spot at the back was the thing I feared the most, having a spot of skin in the middle of a sea of hair just looks so wrong imo, at least a bit of recession blends into and becomes a part of the forehead.

Although if it stands between severe hair loss at the front or the back, I'd go for the latter. I'd rather be NW0 with a big bald spot at the back than having a NW4A hairline with no crown balding.
 

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Yes jfl, when your crown is gone you are automatically a creep if you interact with young non balding people, which is worse if you are young. NW2 is not that rare and looks normal and is considered a full head of hair. On the other hand you need a huge amount of grafts for the crown area if you go the transplant route. Front is fixable with 1/2 transplants, scalp and midscalp are the issue and that is where finasteride comes in which works great on the midscalp and the crown.
So crownmaxx with ar nukes and frontmaxx with hair transplant to creepmin
 

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I believe a receding hairline can make the best looking people look just average but a thinning crown is still better. Why people here think otherwise? Receding hairline changes the frame of face and a drastic difference appears. Keanu Reeves for example.
A NW2 is easier to fix with a transplant versus crown thinning. But it it true that a receding hairline could change the way you look versus crown thinning but more people associate balding with a bald spot in the back than seeing a NW2 or mature hairline. My hairline is receding like Keanu Reeves. We have very similar hair and looks ironically.
 

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So crownmaxx with ar nukes and frontmaxx with hair transplant to creepmin
Crown and midscalp is what prevents a good hair transplant result mainly. When I look at MtF with baldness their diffuse almost always resolves but the hairline doesnt go back to NW1 it usually goes back to NW3 or NW2. But their crowns look immaculate after years of HRT, the same cant be said for the front. And when that happens usually the donor improves and you can get NW1 or even a feminine hairline(which not all women have) if the donor is good enough with surgery. Even if you say reach NW4 but your crown and midscalp is intact and donor is intact you can have 3/4 FUEs or 1/2 FUTs and you can go back to NW2 or NW1.5 even. Crown is what ruins everything since the amount if grafts you need for it is insane, you basically need to spend your whole donor for it, but then you have nothing for the front which matters more.
But I agree it is better to Have intact NW1 and baldness at the back because you can buzz your hair and still have framing while being creepmined no matter how your face looks, but if you have NW4 and intact crown if it is not clean shaven the baldness is obvious and you are dadmaxxed if you look masculine and creepmaxxed if you look feminine.
 

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Crown and midscalp is what prevents a good hair transplant result mainly. When I look at MtF with baldness their diffuse almost always resolves but the hairline doesnt go back to NW1 it usually goes back to NW3 or NW2. But their crowns look immaculate after years of HRT, the same cant be said for the front. And when that happens usually the donor improves and you can get NW1 or even a feminine hairline(which not all women have) if the donor is good enough with surgery. Even if you say reach NW4 but your crown and midscalp is intact and donor is intact you can have 3/4 FUEs or 1/2 FUTs and you can go back to NW2 or NW1.5 even. Crown is what ruins everything since the amount if grafts you need for it is insane, you basically need to spend your whole donor for it, but then you have nothing for the front which matters more.
But I agree it is better to Have intact NW1 and baldness at the back because you can buzz your hair and still have framing while being creepmined no matter how your face looks, but if you have NW4 and intact crown if it is not clean shaven the baldness is obvious and you are dadmaxxed if you look masculine and creepmaxxed if you look feminine.
Having something in the crown already looks way better than having a fully bare crown anyway.
 

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You really think that this


is preferable to this


?? Even a high Norwood 3 or a straight line receded hairline like Tom Hanks is way preferable to the thinning crown. No haircut looks good with thinning crown; even a buzz cut looks see through and strange compared with a full density buzz cut.
Leonardo Dicaprio is NW1 with window peaks. That's not NW2. And the 2nd guy is completely bald with a combover.
 

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I believe a receding hairline can make the best looking people look just average but a thinning crown is still better. Why people here think otherwise? Receding hairline changes the frame of face and a drastic difference appears. Keanu Reeves for example.
I agree that the hairline is the most important part. I've seen my face changing for the worse and then gradually for the better several times throughout the last 10 years.

With a touch of SMP I'm gonna have the illusion of a full crown or something very close to it anyway.
 

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Moving the majority of the grafts to the front, let's say 4-5k grafts. And then 3-4k grafts to the crown and maybe midscalp. Then maybe a touch of SMP. That should be the strategy for NW4-6 guys.
 
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Leonardo Dicaprio is NW1 with window peaks. That's not NW2. And the 2nd guy is completely bald with a combover.
Lol I love it when gnarly recession is referred to as a widow's peak, like the case with Vegeta whom is an Ultra-NW3 yet he is referred to as having a widow's peak all the time.

 

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Lol I love it when gnarly recession is referred to as a widow's peak, like the case with Vegeta whom is an Ultra-NW3 yet he is referred to as having a widow's peak all the time.

Lol in Leo's case it's true though, he always had the same hairline


 
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