Why won't propecia save rogaine grown hair?

[Knendell]

If you use rogaine and resurrect a hair follicle to produce a terminal looking hair why does it simply die off again after discontinuing rogaine. Is it rogaine feeding the hair with blood and all other essential ingredients from the base of the hair? I don't think so. That must mean the follicle is helped in some way. So why wouldn't propecia save that hair after discontinuing the drug?

 

[Cassin]

Rogaine has nothing to to with DHT.

Moving to the correct forum.

 

[Knendell]

DHt stops the hair from growing and rogaine makes it grow. I see a correlation there.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

DHt stops the hair from growing and rogaine makes it grow. I see a correlation there.

wtf

 

[Cassin]

DHt stops the hair from growing and rogaine makes it grow. I see a correlation there.

Please do some research on http://www.hairlosstalk.com and not the forums.

I swear I am not trying to be a jerk here, just do a bit more research.

 

[Knendell]

I did research and know rogaine is a stimulant. I am just trying to think outside the box here.
If propecia blocks DHT is there anything that cleanses the follicle of DHT or unbinds it to let the follicle recover. That is all I am getting at.

 

[killbill123]

I'm with you on this, I haven't found an answer to this question, but I was afraid to ask it for fear of looking stupid. I don't understand why hair grown with Rogaine couldn't be maintained with finasteride afterwards, either.

At least give us a link if the answer to this appears in the hairlosstalk research section.

 

[dresden]

rogaine stimulates regrowth at it does that by improving blood circulation on your scalp. it has nothing to do with DHT. some hairs may be little affected by DHT so being on finasteride wont help much, but rogaine will.

 

[Phillip]

I am no expert but I do know the answer as it has been asked many times before.

DHT continues to attack the hair while rogaine is being used.

The only thing that was making the hairs grow was the rogaine (Minoxidil), not necessarily less DHT being present.

Therefore, once the minoxidil is stopped they hairs loose their stimulantion to grow and return to their normal fine/vellus state.

The main point is that finasteride is not making the hair grow but the minoxidl is. Keep in mind that people who only use finasteride don't always esperience regrowth. Some just halt further loss, some it does nothing, and then some experience halting plus regrowth. Keep that in mind and it will make sense.

By the way, does anyone know of a story where someone did maintain? If so it was probably because they were an excellent responder to finasteride (and not becuase of hte minoxidil)

 

[Bryan]

Think of minoxidil as temporary "life-support" for certain damaged hair follicles: remove the life-support, and those hair follicles die.

Finasteride, on the other hand, isn't really life-support. Using it simply ALLOWS your hair to grow as it would naturally (provided the hair follicles aren't damaged), by removing one specific nasty androgen.

 

[H2O]

Think of minoxidil as temporary "life-support" for certain damaged hair follicles: remove the life-support, and those hair follicles die.

Finasteride, on the other hand, isn't really life-support. Using it simply ALLOWS your hair to grow as it would naturally (provided the hair follicles aren't damaged), by removing one specific nasty androgen.

Exactly. I think the impression that is creating these questions Brian is that once minoxidil temporariliy "recessitates" the damaged follicle, people wonder whether the follicle begins to "heal" itself from the damage. Sort of like, you get the old, rusty factory started and although it couldn't restart on it's own, once you get the momentum up and restart production with an extra boost of electricity, couldn't the factory run eventually without that extra electricity boost as the "grease" in the gears gets redistributed and the "oil" flows.

I think they're asking if one protects the follicle from the effects of future DHT damage with dutasteride or finasteride, can a hair follicle begin to heal itself under the encouragement of minoxidil and protection of finasteride or dutasteride so that it can eventually produce hair without the artificial stimulation of minoxidil and just the protection of finasteride or dutasteride....regenerating back to a normal healthy hair follicle that only needs to be shilded from the androgen attack to continue functioning.

Can a follicle heal itself back from a damaged state over the course of time and does the "artificial growth cycle" created by minoxidil do anthing to encourage follicular regeneration to the point where it ceases to need minoxidil if protected by future degeneration due to the damaging effects of the androgen cycle.

I think the data I have seen and you have shared suggests "no" as the answer to this question. Any thoughts on this Brian....?

 

[barcafan]

Bryan, define 'damaged'.

Say, for example someone has alot of fine hairs (but still able to grow, definetly much more less pigmented though) and they COMPLETELY cut DHT out of their body, would that mean that EVENTUALLY your fine hairs will grow terminal?

 

[abcdefg]

Bryan how would hair follicles become damaged? Would pulling hairs out yourself damage the hair follicles and cause them to stop growing?

 

[Bryan]

I think they're asking if one protects the follicle from the effects of future DHT damage with dutasteride or finasteride, can a hair follicle begin to heal itself under the encouragement of minoxidil and protection of finasteride or dutasteride so that it can eventually produce hair without the artificial stimulation of minoxidil and just the protection of finasteride or dutasteride....regenerating back to a normal healthy hair follicle that only needs to be shilded from the androgen attack to continue functioning.

Can a follicle heal itself back from a damaged state over the course of time and does the "artificial growth cycle" created by minoxidil do anthing to encourage follicular regeneration to the point where it ceases to need minoxidil if protected by future degeneration due to the damaging effects of the androgen cycle.

I think the data I have seen and you have shared suggests "no" as the answer to this question. Any thoughts on this Brian....?

The only answer I can provide to that is....maybe!

It certainly hasn't been tested experimentally, so there's no way I would ever try to make a prediction on that. I suppose it's possible that such a thing could occur.

 

[Bryan]

Bryan, define 'damaged'.

Say, for example someone has alot of fine hairs (but still able to grow, definetly much more less pigmented though) and they COMPLETELY cut DHT out of their body, would that mean that EVENTUALLY your fine hairs will grow terminal?

Again, MAYBE. I think that would be a fascinating experiment to try. I wish they'd do it.

 

[Bryan]

Bryan how would hair follicles become damaged?

Scarring and fibrosis in the scalp would be obvious examples of damage.

Would pulling hairs out yourself damage the hair follicles and cause them to stop growing?

Interestingly, Pearson & Shaw say in the hairloss chapter of Life Extension that plucking hairs modestly stimulates their growth, but the effect isn't very big.

 

[abcdefg]

plucking hairs isnt bad? I thought theres a medical condition where people uncontrollably pull there own hair out. So basically if I see a thin spot and I was pulling hair out its due to something other then me pulling the hair out? Well I guess my hair thinning in the back isnt from me then I thought maybe I was doing it.