Young, balding,down,single? Go to Med school. Hear me out.

souldoctor

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This is just a reaction to a lot of posts I've read here over the years from young guys suffering with hairloss in late teens early 20s who don't know what to do with their lives and think it's all the end of the world.

One bit of advice I might humbly proffer to anyone young here suffering with hairloss - and obviously you can just laugh in my face and tell me to shut up, but I genuinely happen to think it's not a bad idea- is that if you have a motivation towards science, and are introspective enough to be researching your own conditions such as hairloss on here, and 'extrospective' enough to be on a board like this, communicating with ,advising and supporting others - consider studying MEDICINE , seriously.

You would probably be good at it, hopefully continue to develop the sense of empathy that this place tries to engender, and find it an interesting subject.

And to address one of the main esteem issues that young guys with hairloss here seem to have - getting 'chicks' ; well let me assure you
I have known plenty of guys from med school who were by early-mid 20s bald or balding who never had problems getting girls (med school parties, drinking, lots of female med and nursing students); and even since graduating and working, there have always been older bald docs in the hierarchy who the younger female med students and doctors fancy and date, even if they are bald and not that great looking - as long as they are intelligent,confident, successful, genuinely caring without being wimpy, and articulate. It's a big winner.

So it obviously doesn't just attract shallow women who are after money 'cos female doctors earn just as much as their male counterparts, and in any case if you encounter so-called gold diggers outside work, you will have the upper hand anyway because they kind of know at heart that you can get other women if you're a young doctor, and they probably know that they're shallow and you're not, and will eventually see through them.

You do meet LOADS of women through medical school and once you start practising, and girls in the medical and nursing professions, ideally, tend to be a bit less judgemental, more open-minded and caring (of course there are exceptions, but just entertain the generalisation for a bit), and hair loss doesn't seem to bother them that much, personality and the other qualities I described above impress them much , much more. Women doctors are still women of course, but many are really cute and lovely people and don't care less about the things that most of the women you guys are worrying about put emphasis on (superficial qualities like hair etc). And once/if you get a girl like that, you won't really care what the superficial bimbos think of you anyway, because you'll have a classy,intelligent and cute girl that really likes you for who you are, not your follicle count.

Personally my hair loss is fairly well controlled at the moment with propecia and nizoral since about 2005 and my own confidence issues are mainly just from still being quite skinny and being only 5'7-5'7 1/2 and looking quite young for 28! I know I won't get the 5'10 statuesque girls but that was never gonna happen even when I had all the hair I ever would at 19 or 20, so that's no shock. In fact the older you get as a doctor, the more attractive you will be to women in a similar age group because other men will start balding to by their 30s, but by that time you will not just be another baldy but probably a successful consultant physician/surgeon/whatever.

Of course none of the above was my personal incentive to apply to med school at the age of 18, because I had no idea hairloss even happened to people under 60 at that age! I did it for the same reasons anyone does - liked science, liked working with people, liked the idea of helping people (like everyone), didn't want to do a desk/computing/accounting type job etc...and yeah the status thing I did think would come in handy in the future in a variety of social situations (which it does). If it's just money you're after though, look elsewhere because at least in the UK it's not highly paid to start off with until you do loads of further training and become a consultant.

But it was definitely even more of a good choice given that I destined to end up with (a degree of) hairloss at 23. Studying and practising medicine will give you more focus, and also you will learn about an entire world and history of suffering and disease which makes you realise hairloss really isn't the end of the world, and put your own problems in perspective. It helps you temper the way you react to things, so when someone stalls at a traffic light, you don't fly off the handle and beep your horn, because you probably had to tell someone their loved one died earlier that day, and getting worked up over trivialites then looks insignificant.

Of course it's much easier to do all this in the UK, with our subsidised universities/med schools, and the shorter medical degree course (5years).

It takes a bit longer in the US, but any young brits who like the sound of the above, I would strongly advise considering it, . I originally decided near to graduation that I wanted to do dermatology (to cure hairloss..lol) but am now specialising in psychiatry, I think it's a bit more up my street and really fascinating.

So that's my personal recruitment drive for medicine. Think about it..I would appreciate any feedback if you think this is good advice. I've tried to pitch it to people with a combination of the right and real reasons to go into medicine, as well as explaining that there will be future bonuses which well help you develop confidence, self-esteem and a genuine feeling of self-worth as, trust me, for all the whinging about bad/dodgy doctors, you help a hell of a lot of unfortunate people and do make a difference.
 

Bald Dave

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Yeah its so easy to just become a doctor isn't it. Whilst we're on the subject why not study to become an astronaut, brain surgeon or mathematician as its so easy :whistle:

Seriously this post has got to be a wind up :dunno:
 

souldoctor

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dudemon said:
So, basically become a doctor just for status, getting chicks, etc...? I swear this thread makes me laugh! :mrgreen:

No wonder why there's so many malpractice lawsuits thesedays! :whistle:

Yes Dudemon, that's obviously exactly what I was suggesting [insert 'sarcmark' here].

I know it was a long post, you might have missed the parts about it giving perspective, focus, helping people, helping you learn the science behind your own probs including hairloss, the rationale behind how all those meds we take to keep our hair work etc. I just stated the obvious fact that it *also* does give a degree of status (or at least it used to), and that I know plenty of bald docs who do really well with women, and they're not particularly strong, tall or well built or amazing looking, at least with nice less superficial women that they meet through work in the medical fields or friends. There are a million and one posts on here about how bald people never get women unless they're in hollywood, but I'm just being honest about other more accessible lifestyle and career paths in which I've seen plenty of happy and succesful bald guys. And, yes, nowadays in the UK, it is fairly accessible and not as elitist or hard to get into med school as before - see below;

Bald dave - it's not "so easy just to become a doctor" but it's easier than it used to be. More med schools now, less focus on pure academic book smarts, more about showing motivation, commitment, being a good all rounder, who's caring and good with people. It's not like being an astronaut or a rocket scientist, you really don't need to be a scientific genius. It's hard work, but what's wrong with advocating that? This is just as valid advice as those who come on here saying "go to the gym, drink protein shakes,get a tan " blah blah . That's all hard work too, but that advice is wasted on people like me genetically pre-programmed to remain skinny. So all I'm saying is, to a certain proportion of guys here, rather than exercise your muscles, exercise your mind and emotions by studying medicine, and this advice is directed at a different part of the HairLossTalk.com audience to those who simply want to get buff - I clearly directed it at young-ish guys on here seem to have an interest in their health at least regarding hair loss and stuff, seem to want to research it , and are also feeling a bit depressed that they won't ever get women. I was just saying focusing energy into a med. degree is worthwhile for all the reasons above,and I included the observation that plenty of bald guys in medicine have hot ladies who are not just money grabbers. As I said though, it might be easier for some to boost their sense of self worth and get women through going to the gym and being physically fit, which is also good advice.
 

mpbsux20

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I appreciate your concern but it is tougher than it has ever been just to get into med school.Many of us who come here would not be bitching about hairloss and male pattern baldness if we were good enough to get into med school or any top uni for that matter.Forget med school,many of us especially the ones who started losing their hair in their teens and early twenties have basically let ourselves go in terms of our education and we are either average or below average....So med school or getting into any top universities is out of our reach...

I am going to take myself as an example here...I used to be extremely confident and good at studies till I was about 16.Then I started to notice signs of male pattern baldness[Receding hairline] and was totally depressed by the time I became 18...Now at 20 things haven't improved one bit.
 

Bald Dave

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I think anyone who goes into studying Medicine here in the UK has to be academically gifted and not someone who is an average joe who gets average results. When i was doing A Levels at college there was this Asian guy who got straight As in his GCES's. Then he studied Maths, Chemistry and Physics (the 3 most difficult subjects) A Levels so that he could study Medicine at University. You also have to get straight As in those 3 subjects to even get accepted into studying medicine. He got those straight As and still couldn't get into medicine and now work at his local supermarket. So even an academcally gifted guy like him couldn't do it so what chance does an average joe like me got???
 

Boondock

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It's a fair point for someone balding at 17-18, but for everyone else in practice this is quite hard advice to implement.

If you're balding at 25, you can't just decide to "study medicine" in order to get over hairloss. You'd first of all need to have the right type of grades, then you'd need to be happy to ditch what you were doing and spent 7 years studying something in order to find a solution. It just strikes me as very impractical. I'm pretty sure if you stuck CCS in a darkened lab with a few hundred thousand dollars he'd find the cure for hairloss before then.
 

superfrankie

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JOE-91 said:
the whole post is ridiculous. You don't need to go into a certain career to 'get over' hair loss.

Yeah, ridiculous is the word. Getting over your hair loss has nothing to with making a specific career. Its on a MUCH DEEPER level than that.

It will certainly make it easier to survive the day when youre absorbed in something you like to do, but Im not talking about that. Im talking about 100% acceptance here.
 

Smooth

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I think some people will never hit 100% acceptance, the ones who do usually the ones who didnt lose much to begin with (either extremely ugly people or who fits the bald look well!) and you can see that in many examples of celebrities.. (they have money, girls, power and fame yet they do whatever they can to hide the fact they losing it...{again, talking about the ones who looks bad bald!}).
 

47thin

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I've said it before and I say it again! Chicks dig security, not hair. So you can't go to medical school- get an engineering degree, or a real estate license and through yourself into a career for 5 plus years! Take it from a guy who had nice hair in his 20's and screwed everything that moved. When I hit 30 with no good job, I had to settle for everything life gave me. IF I had put half the energy I put into partying into my career, I'd be 10 times better off! Be careful what you wish for.
 

superfrankie

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Smooth said:
I think some people will never hit 100% acceptance

Think about it for a sec. 100 % acceptance. 100 f*****g % acceptance! No way. But it also depends what we all define as acceptance. Since I know I cant get everything I used to get now (Im talking especially about young cute girls, randoom flirting with strangers etc) I will never accept it fully but I hope to reach at least 80-90 %.
 

superfrankie

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47thin said:
I've said it before and I say it again! Chicks dig security, not hair. So you can't go to medical school- get an engineering degree, or a real estate license and through yourself into a career for 5 plus years! Take it from a guy who had nice hair in his 20's and screwed everything that moved. When I hit 30 with no good job, I had to settle for everything life gave me. IF I had put half the energy I put into partying into my career, I'd be 10 times better off! Be careful what you wish for.

I know what you mean with security but I would never accept a girl to hang with me only cause of the security I can provide her with. Fortunately, its easy to track down such girls. I want a girl who loves me no for who I am as a human being and are attracted to me in an authentic way. Not in a delusive way. But who doesnt?
 

47thin

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Good luck! BTW, women's mother's always say "It's just as easy to marry a rich man as a poor one" -But what about dad? "I'm divorcing the bum!"

Look, why not be successful? Seriously, that whole, "take me as I am" sh*t sounds good in love songs, and is pretty ideal, but there is nothing wrong with applying yourself. What if you get sick of her? It's a whole lot easier to divorce a nag when your splitting a lot of cash then a little.

Besides, guys always want a cheerleader/knockout, and that is just as shallow. It's just a different currency.
 

Smooth

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Superfrankie, usually i tend to agree with you, and trust me when i say that im perfectly aware how superficial girls your age are (im not that far above you age, remember that) but you only see black because your so young and looking to have fun... trust me, girls get older and change the entire perspective over men... this is how "nature" goes, no matter what UM / Dude telling you, the older the girl is the less she will care about your hair, and less judgmental about you being "perfect" in terms of pure looks ALTHOUGH! your overall looks (clothing, personal aesthetics and stuff like that), your job, your confident will play a huge part, so bare in mind.. better work on those grades now...focus on having fun later... (and you will have fun!)
 

superfrankie

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quote myself: "I know what you mean with security but I would never accept a girl to hang with me only cause of the security I can provide her with"

Im aware of the fact that career and security in terms of that plays a big roll. Women want to be with men that are likely to have an interesting and satisfactory future. But that is not the whole truth. Humour, looks etc also plays a roll. Lets just say its a combination of everthing to make it simple.

Smooth: Thats also what Im going to do. Achieve things and make my life interesting. Im sure I will thank myself for the effort some day if I choose to not get too controlled by my hair loss. I hope it pays me well in the future (girls incl.)
 
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