Has Anyone Got Real Results On The "prostaglandin Protocol"?

[IdealForehead]

Even "Swiss Temples" stopped posting updates of his hairline years ago from what I've seen.

Here are typical good results on finasteride/minoxidil:

http://www.beIgraviacentre[DOT]com/success-stories/

Are there any compelling studies or research that suggests we should:

1) Give up on androgen blockers?
2) Give up on proven growth stimulants like minoxidil?

Trying to fix the androgen problem DOWNSTREAM of androgen binding is foolish to me unless it has been proven to work first. eg. Setipiprant which people are spending thousands of dollars on with no proof yet that it actually works:

Furthermore, to complain about an oral antiandrogen while pumping your body full of prostaglandin altering meds is just picking one poison over another in principle.

If you want better prostaglandins, blocking androgens will give you that automatically. If you want even better prostaglandins, we know minoxidil already affects prostaglandin balance favorably while being dirt cheap even orally (that's how it works).

I don't see the appeal. At best I can imagine some of these agents might become good adjuncts to existing approaches if they are cheap.

Am I being foolish? Honestly it makes no sense to me.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

No results where posted so far about PGD2 antagonists efficiency on hair loss.The only thing we know is that Allergan got rid of the Finasteride group in their clinical trials, i don't know why.It would have been a good thing to be able to contrast the effectiveness of the two products.

So for your questions, unfortunately
1) Give up on androgen blockers? We don't know
2) Give up on proven growth stimulants like minoxidil? We don't know either

Furthermore, to complain about an oral antiandrogen while pumping your body full of prostaglandin altering meds is just picking one poison over another in principle.

If you want better prostaglandins, blocking androgens will give you that automatically. If you want even better prostaglandins, we know minoxidil already affects prostaglandin balance favorably while being dirt cheap even orally (that's how it works).

I don't see the appeal. At best I can imagine some of these agents might become good adjuncts to existing approaches if they are cheap.

I don't quite agree on this one, in early clinical trials results, PGD2 antagonists have a way better safety profile than 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors such as finasteride, this is the real appeal here, if it works.You will not have to mess anymore with your hormone profile, no ED, no gynecomastia, no depression or other nasty things.

These are the sides and their rates observed during clinical trials so far

Now we have to see results of their effectiveness, if they are equal or even better than 5AR, well, f*** Merck and their so called 98% safety tranny drug

 

[IdealForehead]

No results where posted so far about PGD2 antagonists efficiency on hair loss. The only thing we know is that Allergan got rid of the Finasteride group in their clinical trials, i don't know why. It would have been a good thing to be able to contrast the effectiveness of the two products.

OHHHHHHH that f*****g hurts.

I think we all know why.

That was BRAVE of them to think they could run this directly against something as powerful and effective as finasteride and come up on top. I thought they were nuts when I found out they were doing that.

And now it seems they're backing off.

That doesn't bode well for their expectations.

I did not know that, but it fits with what I'm saying here. Even they're obviously not that confident in the approach.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

OHHHHHHH that f*****g hurts.

I think we all know why.

That was BRAVE AS f*** of them to think they could run this directly against something as powerful and effective as finasteride and come up on top. I thought they were nuts when I found out they were doing that.

And now it seems they're backing off.

That doesn't bode well for their expectations.

I did not know that, but it fits with what I'm saying here. Even they're obviously not that confident in the approach.

I know right, i was sure they will opposed it to the leader product, when i read their clinical trials more in depth, well sh*t, no finasteride group, and there was one in Phase 1, not anymore in Phase 2, f*****g disapointed, and i fear your theory is right on spot.

Btw, source : https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02781311

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Fevi is better. Legit Seti has stopped hair loss of all users.
Don't ask here since most of people here used fake/bad quality seti and it's expensive so not many people can answer here

Also if Swisstemples stopped give updates because he has accomplish his goal : NW1-NW1.5 and strict maintenance with Duta + Seti.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Fevi is better. Legit Seti has stopped hair loss of all users.
Don't ask here since most of people here used fake/bad quality seti and it's expensive so not many people can answer here

I'm eagerly waiting for the first Allergan results, we should have them next year maybe

 

[IdealForehead]

Fevi is better. Legit Seti has stopped hair loss of all users.
Don't ask here since most of people here used fake/bad quality seti and it's expensive so not many people can answer here

Also if Swisstemples stopped give updates because he has accomplish his goal : NW1-NW1.5 and strict maintenance with Duta + Seti.

I find that hard to believe. He's a ego-driven braggart. If he had reached a NW1, he'd have it plastered all over his website and claiming to be a genius to proved every hair loss company/expert wrong, etc bla bla bla.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

If he had reached a NW1, he'd have it plastered all over his website and claiming to be a genius to proved every hair loss company/expert wrong, etc bla bla bla

His protocol is based on Cots theory/protocol.
So don't need to bragg about it,it's not his work just an application of research and scientific papers as he said himself

 

[IdealForehead]

His protocol is based on Cots theory/protocol.
So don't need to bragg about it,it's not his work just an application of research and scientific papers as he said himself

Sure. I still don't believe he made his entire website with pictures of Nazi posterboys and all his grandiose talk, with countless pictures of his NW3 baby vellus hairs, then reached all the way to NW1 and decided it wasn't worth updating.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Sure. I still don't believe he made his entire website with pictures of Nazi posterboys and all his grandiose talk, with countless pictures of his NW3 baby vellus hairs, then reached all the way to NW1 and decided it wasn't worth updating.

Still you can clearly see on his website that he isn't NW2.5-3 in last pics but easily NW1.5-NW1.
And only with ghetto protocol.

If people here would have success, they'll be bragging about it in a long post and finish it by a "Farewell boys, have a good life!"
Since you reach your goal,there isn't anything that hold you back here and there.

And Cots isn't only about Prostaglandin. It maybe use minoxidil,FGF9,5Aza2,and others topicals that we don't know.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

I don't think you can clearly see that at all. And I don't think he's regained more than anyone with a standard oral minoxidil and oral androgen approach. We have seen guys regrow almost full heads from nw5 type hair with aggressive conventional methods. Swiss got some small vellus hairs and a bit of improvement in density and contour (likely mostly from sounding + dutasteride) and then disappeared.

Conventional approaches have universally produced the most mindblowing results I have seen.

Agree, but they were found effective for hair loss by accident, and systemic antiandrogen is not a good solution for long term IMO, we need better treatments

 

[RU serious]

Worth mentioning that Swiss was also taking dutasteride, granted it may not have been responsible for the peach fuzz that appeared on his hairline but it should not be overlooked.

I agree that if he did get the results which he so promised using the protocol then it would be plastered everywhere on his website. Last time I checked on the Nazi forum he hadn't posted any more recent images there either and he seems to be online 24/7.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Worth mentioning that Swiss was also taking dutasteride, granted it may not have been responsible for the peach fuzz that appeared on his hairline but it should not be overlooked.

I agree that if he did get the results which he so promised using the protocol then it would be plastered everywhere on his website. Last time I checked on the Nazi forum he hadn't posted any more recent images there either and he seems to be online 24/7.

I can't get use to it, everytime i read about this Nazi secret forum where they talk about hairloss, f*****g kills me that's just hilarious, their mentor Adolf would be disgusted by such shitty genetics

 

[IdealForehead]

I can't get use to it, everytime i read about this Nazi secret forum where they talk about hairloss, f*****g kills me that's just hilarious, their mentor Adolf would be disgusted by such shitty genetics

Hahaha me neither. It's so f*****g surreal.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

I don't think you can clearly see that at all

So I invite you to recheck it. His temples are filled,his wish is granted job done. He has never been a NW5 or NW6 that's why people are bashing about his results. Duta also helped him a lot.
Maintenance is here. That's why I always say CRTH2 are good for maintenance,but won't be enough for some people,but clearly enough for others (Westonci hair loss has stopped for more than 1 year only on DP2 antagonist,and no side effect which is amazing). Thats why I'm lurking on atraric acid,polichem fina (I wish Duta liposomal topic should have been there) and darolutamide.
By taking both,you're playing security and can focus all your attention on follicle neo genesis.

 

[dermrafok]

Fortunately...Not everything in this "game" is Minoxidil and Finasteride.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Fortunately...Not everything in this "game" is Minoxidil and Finasteride.

That sh*t is outdated. Soon better treatments will come, and I'm clearly waiting Follica,Fevi and Darolutamide.
It will be our future Big 3 in waiting for Tsuji,Replicel,Shiseido and all others big companies to bring down this monster forever.

 

[dermrafok]

That sh*t is outdated. Soon better treatments will come, and I'm clearly waiting Follica,Fevi and Darolutamide.
It will be our future Big 3 in waiting for Tsuji,Replicel,Shiseido and all others big companies to bring down this monster forever.

Even dermatologists around the world see that the big 3 is outdated. 100% agree with you. Better treatments will come for sure.

 

[IdealForehead]

So I invite you to recheck it. His temples are filled,his wish is granted job done. He has never been a NW5 or NW6 that's why people are bashing about his results. Duta also helped him a lot.
Maintenance is here. That's why I always say CRTH2 are good for maintenance,but won't be enough for some people,but clearly enough for others (Westonci hair loss has stopped for more than 1 year only on DP2 antagonist,and no side effect which is amazing). Thats why I'm lurking on atraric acid,polichem fina (I wish Duta liposomal topic should have been there) and darolutamide.
By taking both,you're playing security and can focus all your attention on follicle neo genesis.

To the contrary I think he was a pretty bad NW3 at the start. But I don't see any evidence for a NW1 after picture. Just close ups of miniaturized hairs.

This is a guy who has time to post 24/7 on his secret Nazi hairloss clubhouse forum and still pays website hosting and domain registration for his site annually, but hasn't posted one clear shot of his so called NW1 hairline after his "miraculous" recovery?

Here's his before.

I would not minimize how bad it was to start. But where is the similar full frontal hairline after?

If he was a shy guy who had never posted a pic because he didn't want the attention I wouldn't criticise. But this is a guy who posted his whole life story of hair online. As well as claims of so called "dirt" on other. To make such bold claims as he has and brag about his vellus results for months in 2015 and then show nothing since doesn't make sense.

Again, go on Belgravia's site and you'll find loads of guys who recovered massive amounts of hair from the same starting point as Swiss or worse and just using conventional means. With clear pictures to show it.

On this site you'll find people that have gone from slick bald to the appearance of full headed with conventional means.

Unless there is some clear proof with clear full pictures like Belgravia posts you guys are all going on faith and theory with this stuff.

Sure prostaglandins play a role in hairloss. But it's all very downstream and there are a lot of them to consider. The upstream approaches are well proven for massive gains. Downstream? Like I said just theory with little to no proof.

 

[WMQ]

He's a ego-driven braggart.

This. Everyone who has actually been on the private forum will tell you the same.

(if they are careless enough to break the "NDA" forum rule like me, which subsequently resulted in SwissNazi sending me a photo of Hitler and permanently banning me)