H&w Topical finasteride - My Experience With Hasson And Wong

[ZP31]

I have been on a 2.5% topical liposomal finasteride compound for almost a year now, prescribed to me my Dr Jerry Wong. I started by using it every third day, I now use it every second day; but I have also tested using it every day and I have not experienced any side effects whatsoever.

I had a consult with Dr Wong about 6 months after being prescribed oral finasteride by my GP. I used the oral tablets once daily for three weeks, I started experiencing sides after about 4-5 days but it started as just being constantly horny and way more energetic. Upon some research I figured it may be due to a spike in free testosterone since it wasn’t being converted to DHT. Within a few weeks I was no longer getting morning wood (which I get every single morning).
Out of concern for f*****g up my hormones I stopped immediately. Everything was back to normal within a week or so.

I explained this to Dr Wong and he then prescribed me the topical formulation that they’ve had success with. It costs me about $290CAD for a 3 month supply, but because i only use it every second day, it is actually a 6 month supply. Which makes it no more expensive for me than an oral tablet prescription.

Covid 19 has forced Hasson and Wong to cease transplant surgeries for the time being. If you guys are interested in trying this topical formulation, I would suggest getting ahold of a H&W rep by email or phone and see if you can a consult with one of the doctors. Now would be the time to do it since they aren’t busy with surgeries.

And to clarify, I do NOT work for Hasson and Wong, nor am I affiliated in any way. My main motivation for this post is for two reasons:

1) a lot of young men on here are suffering and I want to share what is working for me.

2) Dr Wong has been very good to me. I’ve had two consults with him. I have not been charged for either of them (I believe they don’t charge non-vancouver clients for consultations). The first was for him to examine my hairline and give me an estimate for hairline restoration. Which would be about 1000-1500 grafts depending on what I wanted done (and would cost me 8-10 grand cad). He also prescribed me the topical.

The second consultation was for me to ask some more questions and for him to check on my hairline. He said it didn’t look like it has moved much and still stuck with his previous graft estimate. He also told me that I don’t need a surgery right now. I’m approaching NW3 but he said right now it doesn’t look that bad and that I should stay on the topical for a few more years before considering a surgery. I was blown away by his honesty and professionalism. I’ve heard so much about hair transplant doctors saying anything and everything to make the sale, but Dr Wong was so humble and trustworthy.

Anyways, I hope this adds some value for you guys. We are still a long long ways away from any treatments more effective than a hair transplant and finasteride. So I don’t think there’s much harm in, at the very least, consulting a reputable hair transplant surgeon.

 

[John Difool]

The topical they sell is seriously marked up or is it just me?

 

[John Difool]

As long as people are willing to pay, why not?

EDIT: it's probably an ad for their doctor since they are looking for remote patient to enroll during covid.

 

[ZP31]

As long as people are willing to pay, why not?

EDIT: it's probably an ad for their doctor since they are looking for remote patient to enroll during covid.

It’s not an ad lol, look at my profile. It’s of course marked up for them to make a profit but they don’t make it themselves. You get a prescription from them to take to a compounding pharmacy who then orders it from Italy I believe. So it’s actually compounded overseas.

As oral finasteride is not covered by my health insurance, I was paying about $40 per month for it.

$290/6 = $48.33 per month on average for the topical.

For me it has value, I’m looking to hold onto what I have and get a transplant in the future.

 

[pegasus2]

Except it's actually almost $100/mo because you are supposed to use it every day, which is a rip off when oral finasteride works better with the same rate of side effects, and only costs a couple dollars.

 

[kiwi666]

Except it's actually almost $100/mo because you are supposed to use it every day, which is a rip off when oral finasteride works better with the same rate of side effects, and only costs a couple dollars.

But this guy is saying he has no side effects on this. But had side effects with oral.

You should edit your declarative statement

Also, $100 a month is f*** all to pay for keeping your hair.

 

[Lucky_Luciano]

Some studies suggest topical fina resulted in lower chance of getting side effects though.

And I've seen plenty of anecdotal evidence supporting this, OP is not the first to mention he had sides from oral but none from topical.

Btw, topical fina is easy to make yourself and thus a lot cheaper than H&W.

The selfmade will just have a vehicle of ethanol and PG so it will surely go systemic. The H&W solution is liposomal and you cant just do that at home. It is meant to avoid systemic absorbance. So it makes sense to pay over.
But anyway I’ve got bad expirience with this stuff. Used it for 2 weeks until I developed ball pain which was really disturbing. I stopped over 2 weeks ago, but the ball pain still comes sometimes very mild. Scary sh*t as its the least part I want to get affected by it. I have no f*****g idea why they decided to put 25mg finasteride per ml in there, but if oral microdosing often gives sides, that must give them for sure.

 

[ZP31]

No, because my statement is based on the results of clinical trials. I could definitely see this guy thinking he had sides on an oral med because he thinks he's going to get sides, and then not getting them on the topical because he has been fed the belief that the topical somehow magically doesn't go systemic.

Some studies show that liposomal formulations are far less systemic than the oral tablets. Even after getting the topical I hesitated for almost a month because I was worried about getting sides again. The topical contains 25mg of finasteride per pump.

That’s a lot of f*****g finasteride. I started on every third day and moved up to EOD since I didn’t have sides and am staying at EOD to keep costs down.

It is true that if you can find a pharmacy to compound it for you, it will likely be cheaper than getting a prescription through H&W. But you’ll still need a prescription, and you’ll need to find a compounding pharmacy that will do it.

 

[ZP31]

The selfmade will just have a vehicle of ethanol and PG so it will surely go systemic. The H&W solution is liposomal and you cant just do that at home. It is meant to avoid systemic absorbance. So it makes sense to pay over.
But anyway I’ve got bad expirience with this stuff. Used it for 2 weeks until I developed ball pain which was really disturbing. I stopped over 2 weeks ago, but the ball pain still comes sometimes very mild. Scary sh*t as its the least part I want to get affected by it. I have no f*****g idea why they decided to put 25mg finasteride per ml in there, but if oral microdosing often gives sides, that must give them for sure.

How often did you use it? I would have stopped forsure too if I had experienced that

 

[Lucky_Luciano]

How often did you use it? I would have stopped forsure too if I had experienced that

Every day Then when the pain came after 10 days, 2-3 times every second day and then stopped. If the pain dont subside completely in a week I will maybe go to an urologist.

 

[Orwell]

Unfortunately, some people can't seem to handle even mild dht reduction from small doses of finasteride. I recovered quickly but never managed to use topical fina for longer than 8 days the three times I tried it. I considered going down the route of having bloodwork done and checking what finasteride is actually doing to my hormones (and adding in aridimex if necessary to control my e) but using a drug to offset the sides of another drug is just too risky for me. How do I know my hormones will go back to normal if I ever stop caring about hair loss and stop taking them?

I am intending to try topical duta, or possibly dutasteride mesotherapy, though, if this lockdown ever ends.

 

[Fgsfds]

Lol. Can this idiot doctor/salesman explain how topical finasteride will protect your scalp from DHT synthesized by 5ARI present in other tissue in the body, and carried up there by blood? Unless of course the finasteride goes systematic which defeats the whole purpose.

 

[wilfred]

Lol. Can this idiot doctor/salesman explain how topical finasteride will protect your scalp from DHT synthesized by 5ARI present in other tissue in the body, and carried up there by blood? Unless of course the finasteride goes systematic which defeats the whole purpose.

I guess it depends on what the definition of scalp DHT is. Ie is DHT made in the scalp..and is that more important to suppress than serum dht? Otherwise yea that makes no sense blocking only scalp dht. I think its a more complex system than dht floating around and binding to whatever tissue. But like you, I'm no scientist.

 

[Kambrira159]

H&W are not much more than a brand name, previously specialising in FUT.

Selling 2.5% finasteride is retarded and against all published studies, 50-100x the necessary dosage and gives side effects.

Nice advert. Shame it's a complete ripoff and the product stinks.

 

[ZP31]

H&W are not much more than a brand name, previously specialising in FUT.

Selling 2.5% finasteride is retarded and against all published studies, 50-100x the necessary dosage and gives side effects.

Nice advert. Shame it's a complete ripoff and the product stinks.

Lol, have you ever used it? I’ve had absolutely no sides.

I really don’t care if anyone uses it or not, it’s working for me. But i do genuinely think that anyone who has had sides from the tablets should try a topical before giving up completely. But you do what you want with your hair.

 

[Kambrira159]

Lol, have you ever used it? I’ve had absolutely no sides.

Yes I have and not had sides either but many have, even if you don't have sides the dosage is way too high and it may well f*** with your hormones. Before you know it you'll wake up as a ladyboy.

I've used Murray Pharmacy and Minoxidilmax ever since.

 

[bluecyclone]

Some studies show that liposomal formulations are far less systemic than the oral tablets. Even after getting the topical I hesitated for almost a month because I was worried about getting sides again. The topical contains 25mg of finasteride per pump.

That’s a lot of f*****g finasteride. I started on every third day and moved up to EOD since I didn’t have sides and am staying at EOD to keep costs down.

It is true that if you can find a pharmacy to compound it for you, it will likely be cheaper than getting a prescription through H&W. But you’ll still need a prescription, and you’ll need to find a compounding pharmacy that will do it.

is this a thick cream like the Paratia lipsomal? It’s impossible to apply with decent density. I use a compounding pharmacy for a 1% in PGE (130.00 for 60ml). They also made me a ‘lipsomal’ cream but it’s impossible to apply. Would be great if someone could come up with a reasonable foam or thin gel?

 

[Kambrira159]

Lipsomal are impossible to apply on your head unless you're bald. Impossible to apply and the 25-100x dosage from Parati (which H&W just buy off) is criminal.

Save your money and stop using this f*****g sh*t and use proper topical finasteride from the dozens of other sources who do it properly (Murray Pharmacy who have been doing it since the days of H&W were shitting as toddlers in the bath, dozens of other US pharmacies, Minoxidilmax, even Morr-F).

 

[ZP31]

is this a thick cream like the Paratia lipsomal? It’s impossible to apply with decent density. I use a compounding pharmacy for a 1% in PGE (130.00 for 60ml). They also made me a ‘lipsomal’ cream but it’s impossible to apply. Would be great if someone could come up with a reasonable foam or thin gel?

I’m not sure, I’ve only ever used this one so I can’t compare to other topicals. I only use it on the front of my scalp where my hairline is receding and a very small portion on the mid to crown area.

 

[ZP31]

Lipsomal are impossible to apply on your head unless you're bald. Impossible to apply and the 25-100x dosage from Parati (which H&W just buy off) is criminal.

Save your money and stop using this f*****g sh*t and use proper topical finasteride from the dozens of other sources who do it properly (Murray Pharmacy who have been doing it since the days of H&W were shitting as toddlers in the bath, dozens of other US pharmacies, Minoxidilmax, even Morr-F).

If you can show me a canadian pharmacy who compounds it for cheaper I’d be all for it. Once again, sharing what is working for me.

as far as I know, no other pharmacies in British Columbia compound the topical.