Received feedback from HairClone on their situation

[Micky_007]

Just received feedback from the scientist from HairClone about their situation:

"Hi, our next step is to start testing our cell injections in people, but this is expensive so although everything is in place, we need some investment, which we are hopeful is imminent!

We really hope to get into the clinic asap and start to show efficacy

Thanks for following us,

Jennifer"

 

[Micky_007]

Yeah, we didn't know they still required investments, which as we know can potentially take a very long time.

 

[Super Metroid]

As the CEO said last year, they were looking to offer their solution to clinicians in 2022, so that they can experiment with it on patients and use the outcomes to formulate a protocol to do the trials with. So if you would want, you could possiblt sign up as a guinea pig.

From 15.00

 

[pegasus2]

In a world where monetary policy is being tightened and we're heading into a recession this isn't encouraging

 

[Micky_007]

As the CEO said last year, they were looking to offer their solution to clinicians in 2022, so that they can experiment with it on patients and use the outcomes to formulate a protocol to do the trials with. So if you would want, you could possiblt sign up as a guinea pig.

From 15.00

Yes I've seen this, the point of this thread is that it seems there's going to be further delay due to them needing investments which can potentially take a very long time.

 

[Super Metroid]

Yes I've seen this, the point of this thread is that it seems there's going to be further delay due to them needing investments which can potentially take a very long time.

Yes, it will take a lot of time (if it even shows efficacy and safety in humans) before it will be a treatment approval by regulators.

Probably, you can get it "under the counter" this year, if you really want.

 

[Infame]

En un mundo donde la política monetaria se endurece y nos dirigimos a una recesión, esto no es alentador.

The end

 

[Micky_007]

I got a few more messages from the scientist going into abit more of an explanation, she seems like a really genuine person that's really trying:

"We are hopeful that investment will come soon. We are set up to start growing cells to go into people, meaning that the lab research has been translated into a facility that is at a standard to make cell therapies. That is one of the main things we need the money for. To manufacture cells to that level, it takes thousands and thousands per patient at the moment. It’s absurdly expensive because of the facilities, having to use single-use reagents and all the safety tests that are required. They’ve recently become even more stringent, which is counter-productive in getting new therapies to clinic.

Paul tried crowd funding about 3-4 years ago and is in regular contact with Joe at Follicle Thought, but people are so sick of all the false claims not coming to fruition that I just don’t think people believe this could work and didn’t invest much sadly.

To begin with, we’re giving the opportunity to invest to our known networks (eg. clinical partners and their extended networks). We have some good potential leads, but nothing concrete yet. It’s frustrating because everyone is intrigued but put off by the lack of clinical data. It’s like a catch 22!

No approximate cost yet sorry. In time, we would hope to automate the system somewhat to bring costs down, but it’ll likely be quite expensive to start off with.

Hair loss is extremely difficult to get funding for vs ‘life and death’ ailments. And the market is saturated with fake claims and I suppose to those not in the know, it’s hard to tease out the better ideas. Especially when people say they ‘have a cure’ with such conviction! No wonder those people get the finding! I won’t name names…"

 

[Chads don't bald]

Wonder what she means by expensive in this context. Will it be more than a hair transplant? And not permanent right?

 

[JohnDoe5]

Just received feedback from the scientist from HairClone about their situation:

"Hi, our next step is to start testing our cell injections in people, but this is expensive so although everything is in place, we need some investment, which we are hopeful is imminent!

We really hope to get into the clinic asap and start to show efficacy

Thanks for following us,

Jennifer"

To this point in time, all attempts to culture hair cells so they can be injected/implanted to regrow hair have failed because the hair cells lose their ability to grow hair during the culture process. This is the hair inductivity problem. Numerous companies have tried to do it and so far every company failed due to this hair inductivity problem. A company named INTERCYTEX tried it, as did a handful of other companies. Bosley even tried it and they failed just like every other company so far. The reason all of the companies so far have failed has been the inductivity problem.

Since you're communicating with HairClone could you please ask them if they have found a solution to the hair indictivity problem?

 

[HMI 115 IS THE CURE dude]

To this point in time, all attempts to culture hair cells so they can be injected/implanted to regrow hair have failed because the hair cells lose their ability to grow hair during the culture process. This is the hair inductivity problem. Numerous companies have tried to do it and so far every company failed due to this hair inductivity problem. A company named INTERCYTEX tried it, as did a handful of other companies. Bosley even tried it and they failed just like every other company so far. The reason all of the companies so far have failed has been the inductivity problem.

Since you're communicating with HairClone could you please ask them if they have found a solution to the hair indictivity problem?

stemson and tsuji didnt have that problem

 

[Super Metroid]

Wonder what she means by expensive in this context. Will it be more than a hair transplant? And not permanent right?

"Thousands and thousands"per patient just for cell manufacturing, not including all the other costs plus profit margins, sounds like you would need at least 20k or so.

 

[Micky_007]

To this point in time, all attempts to culture hair cells so they can be injected/implanted to regrow hair have failed because the hair cells lose their ability to grow hair during the culture process. This is the hair inductivity problem. Numerous companies have tried to do it and so far every company failed due to this hair inductivity problem. A company named INTERCYTEX tried it, as did a handful of other companies. Bosley even tried it and they failed just like every other company so far. The reason all of the companies so far have failed has been the inductivity problem.

Since you're communicating with HairClone could you please ask them if they have found a solution to the hair indictivity problem?

I will ask.

 

[pegasus2]

For those not aware, Paul Kemp of Hairclone was the founder of Intercytex. They are well aware of what Intercytex and Aderans did

 

[Micky_007]

To this point in time, all attempts to culture hair cells so they can be injected/implanted to regrow hair have failed because the hair cells lose their ability to grow hair during the culture process. This is the hair inductivity problem. Numerous companies have tried to do it and so far every company failed due to this hair inductivity problem. A company named INTERCYTEX tried it, as did a handful of other companies. Bosley even tried it and they failed just like every other company so far. The reason all of the companies so far have failed has been the inductivity problem.

Since you're communicating with HairClone could you please ask them if they have found a solution to the hair indictivity problem?

Got a response to this, sort of:

"
Yes, Paul started Intercytex back in the day and they found that new hairs were formed, but they were very fine. The incidental finding was that the thinning hairs increased in diameter. Same with the Aderans/Boseley trial. They were also aiming to make new hairs.

We have a new method of growing the DP cells that is superior. Our primary aim is to rejuvenate the thinning hairs. We are not aiming to create new hair follicles, although of course this would be an excellent addition. Aderans’ (Bosley) didn’t actually fail. They were planning their next trial, but the investors didn’t want to spend any more money on R&D and wanted to just churn out wigs and hair transplants."

 

[Micky_007]

One more regarding potential price (please note not to hold this or anything said to the company, as she is being helpful by communicating, this is not something set in stone). Also, don't mention her elsewhere.

"Currently, the cost of treatment is a lot of money! It’s unbelievable how much the manufacturing facility charge. In time, costs will come down when we have our own facility but at the moment we have to outsource and it’s mega pricey!"


"We’ve not had finalised prices yet but we’re talking tens of thousands for each patient currently since we don't have our own facility (which we could get via the investments we need, which would reduce the cost). We can potentially do multiple patients at the same time to bring down costs if it can work logistically.

It’s literally impossible to say on the cost at the moment. Could be £50K, could be £5K. We’d love for it to be as cheap as possible, we’re definitely not ones for ripping people off. Just shocking how much it all costs. I came from academia and have had a real lesson! I think it would be best to save up the amount needed for a hair transplant because that’s our real overall goal to be around that price. I wish I could make better estimates! "

 

[5minutesbeforemiracle]

Got a response to this, sort of:

"
Yes, Paul started Intercytex back in the day and they found that new hairs were formed, but they were very fine. The incidental finding was that the thinning hairs increased in diameter. Same with the Aderans/Boseley trial. They were also aiming to make new hairs.

We have a new method of growing the DP cells that is superior. Our primary aim is to rejuvenate the thinning hairs. We are not aiming to create new hair follicles, although of course this would be an excellent addition. Aderans’ (Bosley) didn’t actually fail. They were planning their next trial, but the investors didn’t want to spend any more money on R&D and wanted to just churn out wigs and hair transplants."

She seems pretty confident. I hope they find the money they need to get this going.

 

[Micky_007]

If they're asking the same equivalent price of a transplant, better also deliver on some (very) good results...

Yes, I also think it's good their not aiming for higher than hair transplant cost for something that won't effect the donor region as much as hair transplants can.

Ofcourse the results will need to be very close to Hair Transplant results for most people to chose HairClone over a Hair Transplant.

 

[kiwi666]

Wrong?

Who the duck knows bro

Yes, I also think it's good their not aiming for higher than hair transplant cost for something that won't effect the donor region like hair transplants can.

Ofcourse the results will need to be very close to Hair Transplant results for most people to chose HairClone over a Hair Transplant.

I don’t know man. I’d be more than happy to use it as filler to compliment a hair transplant.

 

[Micky_007]

Wrong?

Who the duck knows bro

I don’t know man. I’d be more than happy to use it as filler to compliment a hair transplant.

When I said most people, I'm referring to the majority of the hairloss population who aren't on the higher earning spectrum, and I'd assume it would take a few years before this becomes close to Hair Transplant cost. For that reason, most people will opt for a hair transplant, as it would be more within their price range and for more guaranteed results. Transplant costs in the UK are really high relative to most countries, and if HairClone is even more expensive than that, it's going to be a no-brainer for those who aren't earning well to opt for a hair transplant instead.

Ofcourse there will be many people who will opt for HairClone instead of a hair transplant, myself included, provided its not much more costly than a hair transplant and has reasonably good results.