Hi everyone, i am 20 y.o. im using minoxidil to hairline. im using saw palmetto and pumpkin seed oil since 6 months. i think i have diffuse thinning because my mother's brother is have diffuse thinning. My dad is nw3 at 55 y.o. and my brother is have diffuse thinning but our hairs types are different. my hair is sparse at the top. Btw i had telogen effluvium because of weight loss nine month ago. im wondering am i nw1 or nw2. what do you think i should do? Thx
20 y.o diffuse thinning, what else can i do?
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Thickening i think. Btw i had telogen effluvium 7 month ago. maybe those what shedding are coming back. im not sure actually. But these oils is working on dht blocker
The science is there for DHT blocking with zero side effects, so a Plus. We have to remember women have 10% Test of men.
& 9 times estrogen levels. Equals super thick flowing hair. Us men have to understand this who are susceptible to hair loss. We have to lower DHT levels in scalp.
& 9 times estrogen levels. Equals super thick flowing hair. Us men have to understand this who are susceptible to hair loss. We have to lower DHT levels in scalp.
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zero side effect dude?
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Essential Oils for all the dimwits on this site, actually have some efficaciousness. I recommend this be a part of your regimens.
Someone mentioned we need to block all androgen receptors not just DHT.
So I did some looking & yes there is clinical evidence of not only Rosemary, Saw Palmetto, Safflower in Asia, but also Tea Tree & Lavender. Endocrinologists have noted, but apparently not the “experts on this site” Tea tree & Lavender caused gyno in prepubescent kids.
Females as young as one showed breast development. Males also exhibited gyno, which dissipated when scents were eliminated. So we can safely conclude these oils have real efficiencies.
How to use them in adults, suffering male pattern baldness most likely from excess androgen/DHT synthesis I’ll let the “experts” debate.
Do some essential oils raise testosterone? Yes, some studies 25 to 35%. Can we target application? Can we balance outcomes?
Can we have best of both worlds?
Let the “experts” decide.
In the meantime, I research & tinker & experiment.
Someone mentioned we need to block all androgen receptors not just DHT.
So I did some looking & yes there is clinical evidence of not only Rosemary, Saw Palmetto, Safflower in Asia, but also Tea Tree & Lavender. Endocrinologists have noted, but apparently not the “experts on this site” Tea tree & Lavender caused gyno in prepubescent kids.
Females as young as one showed breast development. Males also exhibited gyno, which dissipated when scents were eliminated. So we can safely conclude these oils have real efficiencies.
How to use them in adults, suffering male pattern baldness most likely from excess androgen/DHT synthesis I’ll let the “experts” debate.
Do some essential oils raise testosterone? Yes, some studies 25 to 35%. Can we target application? Can we balance outcomes?
Can we have best of both worlds?
Let the “experts” decide.
In the meantime, I research & tinker & experiment.
I agree with @Jakejr regarding using Essential oils. They're extremely downplayed on the internet. But they do work. Essential oils like Peppermint Oil + Rosemary Oil are good. Combine these with a Carrier Oil such as Coconut oil. Use these natural oils in your hair atleast 4 times a week for atleast 6 months before expecting to see significant results.
Also, use a Caffeine based shampoo (really helps). There's plenty of studies of how Caffeine helps for Hairloss.
Alpecin C1 Shampoo and Alpecin Caffeine Liquid are really good options that are also low cost. Use this almost everyday. Atleast 4 times a week. It provides your hair with energy it requires for growing. DHT cuts off the energy supply to your hair follicles which result in them thinning and dying over time. It's said that hair needs 10x more energy during the Anagen (growth) phase as opposed to the resting phase to grow hair.
Then throw in a 2% Ketoconazole Shampoo used twice a week (the days you aren't using the Aplecin Caffeine Shampoo) for 4 weeks, then you only need to use it once a week thereafter.
Ketoconazole is in the "big 3" of hairloss treatments so highly recommended.
I would strongly advise to stay away from Finasteride. Because it has really bad side effects.
Remember, results will take around 6 months before you can start to see significant results. It takes a while, but when you have a realistic time frame, you know not to ge disappointed because you don't have overnight results. Nothing works overnight.
This requires discipline, effort, time and a multi-faceted approach.
Also, use a Caffeine based shampoo (really helps). There's plenty of studies of how Caffeine helps for Hairloss.
Alpecin C1 Shampoo and Alpecin Caffeine Liquid are really good options that are also low cost. Use this almost everyday. Atleast 4 times a week. It provides your hair with energy it requires for growing. DHT cuts off the energy supply to your hair follicles which result in them thinning and dying over time. It's said that hair needs 10x more energy during the Anagen (growth) phase as opposed to the resting phase to grow hair.
Then throw in a 2% Ketoconazole Shampoo used twice a week (the days you aren't using the Aplecin Caffeine Shampoo) for 4 weeks, then you only need to use it once a week thereafter.
Ketoconazole is in the "big 3" of hairloss treatments so highly recommended.
I would strongly advise to stay away from Finasteride. Because it has really bad side effects.
Remember, results will take around 6 months before you can start to see significant results. It takes a while, but when you have a realistic time frame, you know not to ge disappointed because you don't have overnight results. Nothing works overnight.
This requires discipline, effort, time and a multi-faceted approach.
Very good...
For me I have to more or less attack hair loss on a daily basis. During Covid lockdown, I have more free time to experiment. To be clear I use a wide range of modalities & I tinker & fine tune often.
I must have tried used 20 different shampoos/conditioners. Some had “hair growing” ingredients, some actually made my hair look better, but at end of the day I’m looking for hair growth/regrowth. So into dustbin for most.
I’m using Hair Restoration products right now because they have widest range of hair growing ingredients. So at least I’m not lacking in that regard.
I just ordered some Viviscal for men Pro to see if that does anything. There literature seems to observe a doubling of vellus hairs after few months. What I’m seeing on my sides is many new small vellus hairs. Maybe a few hundred when I really would like thousands. My hair in fine from my mother’s side in front of scalp/ blondish/brown; so these hairs are hard to see. Luckily when sun shines on these area I can see the little hairs clearly, so I’m doing something right, but not enough. I concentrate on areas like this.
In the back I have thick, curly hair from my fathers side, so with the contrast is easier to observe any hair regrowth.
For Essential oils I’m just putting them on scalp overnight, shampooing out next day. So if there are any unintended systemic effects other than hair growth I can counter with other essential oils.
Read the literature in Blue Spruce, Balsam Fir, Pine etc. that increase testosterone/secondary characteristics.
Sometimes oils are effacious/evidenced by just smelling like Sandalore, etc.. What about as a topical/topicals? Why not both?
If it was as easy as minoxidil or anything else I would be silent & focus my attention on something else, but it ISN’T as we all painfully know.
For me I have to more or less attack hair loss on a daily basis. During Covid lockdown, I have more free time to experiment. To be clear I use a wide range of modalities & I tinker & fine tune often.
I must have tried used 20 different shampoos/conditioners. Some had “hair growing” ingredients, some actually made my hair look better, but at end of the day I’m looking for hair growth/regrowth. So into dustbin for most.
I’m using Hair Restoration products right now because they have widest range of hair growing ingredients. So at least I’m not lacking in that regard.
I just ordered some Viviscal for men Pro to see if that does anything. There literature seems to observe a doubling of vellus hairs after few months. What I’m seeing on my sides is many new small vellus hairs. Maybe a few hundred when I really would like thousands. My hair in fine from my mother’s side in front of scalp/ blondish/brown; so these hairs are hard to see. Luckily when sun shines on these area I can see the little hairs clearly, so I’m doing something right, but not enough. I concentrate on areas like this.
In the back I have thick, curly hair from my fathers side, so with the contrast is easier to observe any hair regrowth.
For Essential oils I’m just putting them on scalp overnight, shampooing out next day. So if there are any unintended systemic effects other than hair growth I can counter with other essential oils.
Read the literature in Blue Spruce, Balsam Fir, Pine etc. that increase testosterone/secondary characteristics.
Sometimes oils are effacious/evidenced by just smelling like Sandalore, etc.. What about as a topical/topicals? Why not both?
If it was as easy as minoxidil or anything else I would be silent & focus my attention on something else, but it ISN’T as we all painfully know.
I also have to tackle male pattern baldness on a daily basis and I think most if not all people who actually have male pattern baldness have to tackle it on a daily basis too, unless they have stabilized really well.
I really agree with trying out different stuff and seeing what works best. There's many people who don't respond to Finasteride and Minoxidil and just give up, but there's many other things out there like Essential Oils and certain shampoo's like Ketoconazole and Caffeine based shampoo's that do work.
Lack of studies done doesn't necessarily mean lack of effectiveness. This is what throws most people off.
That being said, we need to take note of the half-life of the topical treatments we're using. For example, Minoxidil 5% is recommended to be used twice a day for best results. So using certain topicals, especially oils, only once every few days might not work. Hairloss needs to be tackled from as many different angles as possible.
There was a study done that said that a 0.2% caffeine-based topical (Alpecin Liquid) applied every day twice a day (morning and evening) , had the same results as Minoxidil 5% when applied twice a day (Morning and Evening) at the 6 month point. Which is actually really impressive for a natural treatment without the possible side effects of Minoxidil and since Alpecin Liquid is far cheaper than 5% Minoxidil.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This brings me to a question regarding the application of topicals. Minoxidil is recommended to be used twice a day, everyday. Does that mean people have to wash their hair twice a day before using Minoxidil? Does it mean you have to use a Shampoo to wash your hair out pre-Minoxidil to get a clear scalp or should you use water? Or are we not supposed to wash hair twice a day, and just washing hair once a day is fine?
The reason I ask this is because from what I know, even just washing hair everyday is bad because it strips hair of its natural oils and makes it dry and thin. So it might make it counterproductive?
So I'd imagine washing hair twice a day, everyday day would possibly be even worse for hair? Or is it fine?
I really agree with trying out different stuff and seeing what works best. There's many people who don't respond to Finasteride and Minoxidil and just give up, but there's many other things out there like Essential Oils and certain shampoo's like Ketoconazole and Caffeine based shampoo's that do work.
Lack of studies done doesn't necessarily mean lack of effectiveness. This is what throws most people off.
That being said, we need to take note of the half-life of the topical treatments we're using. For example, Minoxidil 5% is recommended to be used twice a day for best results. So using certain topicals, especially oils, only once every few days might not work. Hairloss needs to be tackled from as many different angles as possible.
There was a study done that said that a 0.2% caffeine-based topical (Alpecin Liquid) applied every day twice a day (morning and evening) , had the same results as Minoxidil 5% when applied twice a day (Morning and Evening) at the 6 month point. Which is actually really impressive for a natural treatment without the possible side effects of Minoxidil and since Alpecin Liquid is far cheaper than 5% Minoxidil.
An Open-Label Randomized Multicenter Study Assessing the Noninferiority of a Caffeine-Based Topical Liquid 0.2% versus Minoxidil 5% Solution in Male Androgenetic Alopecia - PMC
Androgenetic alopecia is a condition with a high prevalence worldwide and affects both males and females. Currently, only 2 approved treatments exist: finasteride (males only) and minoxidil 2 or 5% solution (males and females). We conducted a ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This brings me to a question regarding the application of topicals. Minoxidil is recommended to be used twice a day, everyday. Does that mean people have to wash their hair twice a day before using Minoxidil? Does it mean you have to use a Shampoo to wash your hair out pre-Minoxidil to get a clear scalp or should you use water? Or are we not supposed to wash hair twice a day, and just washing hair once a day is fine?
The reason I ask this is because from what I know, even just washing hair everyday is bad because it strips hair of its natural oils and makes it dry and thin. So it might make it counterproductive?
So I'd imagine washing hair twice a day, everyday day would possibly be even worse for hair? Or is it fine?
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Wtf are u idiots on about. Its fine
You should mind your language. There's really no need to be rude. I could be rude back but I chose to be the bigger person and not to engage in such behavior. Grow up, there's no wrong questions. In fact I just came across a senior member on this forum who asked a similar question regarding frequency of washing.
If you can't respond to anyone for that matter respectfully, don't respond at all.
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Wow congratulations for being a bigger person. U want a medal? Also telling a guy to waste money on treatments on a normal hairline is ridiculous.
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His temples don't even look that bad lol..
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Thank you
I agree it doesn't look like he has hairloss. But he voiced that he is concerned about his hair because he has some hair loss in the family and also because he is already using hair treatment.
And I believe prevention is better than cure and what I recommended is fairly cheap and cheaper than his current regimen.
Plus my recommendations are natural substances so they don't have side effects and possibly even work better than pharmaceutical drugs. I would never recommend Finasteride to anyone because it has terrible and possible permanent side effects. I especially wouldn't recommend someone young Finasteride and definitely not a first line of defense. Simply because it's possible to achieve the same if not better results with safer and cheaper means. Because not everyone responds positively to Finasteride, yet can still get permanent side effects like Erectile Dysfunction, low libido, low sperm count, etc. That sh*t ain't a gamble anyone should be trialing.
Also, I dropped the information in the event he might need it in the future or so anyone battling with hair loss and looking for help can find it and a low cost natural solution. Gotta think long term.
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Your hair seems fine right now. The only pitfall is people only start real medications when its too late, then they wish they started at a phase in which they were happy with.