RU annoying
5 days post Ru58841 chest/heart pain
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Yes, as I said. But you become no worse than the bad actors that promote RU as safe without evidence when you yourself promote unsubstantiated side effects without evidence let alone f*****g heart disease.
Well guess doctors don't think it's very serious or you would have had the ultrasound scan weeks ago irregardless of Covid.
I never said it causes heart disease I am not a doctor nor do I have a diagnosis. I am sharing my experience for other people who are considering taking a drug that isn't regulated or phase 3 tested.
lol I never promoted anything
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Ah but of course, he must be IMAGINING things.
Because that is a more reasonable conclusion than implying that a f*****g ancient anti-androgen from the 70s with zero human clinical safety data has the potential to causes cardiac symptoms...
Some here are in favor of defending RU, a drug that we know literally nothing about. Just for the sake of implying someone is a hypochondriac. Drugs have OFF-TARGET effects too, it doesn't even have to be an anti-androgenic side effect. MDV3100 (Enzalutamide) can cause seizures because other than AR it also binds to GABA-a. Who knows what else RU58841 binds to. There is ZERO data, and RU is not that effective. Make of that what you will.
I think it's also fair to assume it's a mixture of both. Even people who are not hypochondriac's have the tendency to be able to induce worse symptoms on themselves through paranoia or anxiety. The existence of sides does not instantly make them disasters for longterm health, either. I had heart palpitations and a bit of chest tightness when I started topical minoxidil, most people would consider that a normal side effect of min. If we didn't have safety data for it people would panic in the same fashion.
I don't take RU and probably never will, so I have no interest in defending it because you are correct, but you also can't have it both ways. You can't make the claim that it is not that effective but also that we have no data on the safety side. We actually have more data that suggests it's effective then we do for it's safety, simply by noting it's binding affinity for the AR and comparing it to trials of AAs like CB and KX. In a similar fashion, we have pre-clinical safety data from non-human primates that shows that the metabolite does not build up in the serum, which does bode well for long term toxicity on a base level.
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You signed up just to post about RU causing heat failure, something that wasn't shown in the clinical trials and doesn't make sense for this kind of drug. Mustang shows up to shill his magical dutasteride. Are you Mustang?
The amount of cardiovascular effects noted in any antiandrogen is in the low single digits, and that's in older patients with existing heart disease at very high systemic doses. The idea that RU could cause heart failure is laughable, especially at 100mg topically
The amount of cardiovascular effects noted in any antiandrogen is in the low single digits, and that's in older patients with existing heart disease at very high systemic doses. The idea that RU could cause heart failure is laughable, especially at 100mg topically
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Did their symptoms ever resolve? Were they terminal illnesses or symptoms?
I really don't think anyone has gotten a terminal illness from RU. Chest discomfort, sure, lots of drugs do this.
Are you on TRT by any chance?
Hey man, what's your update on everything as of today?
Did you ever get the echo done?
How's your overall health and how long did it take for your symptoms to subside 100%?
Hope you're well my man.
No, why do you ask?
I've not yet found anyone on TRT who's experienced sides from RU.
Just an interesting find.