Abstinence is the major weapon in defeating hair loss!!!!

[californiaoceans911]

After three months abstinence testosterone dramatically drops to levels close to a child
http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1vlbey/professor_after_three_months_abstinence/

Ok so this is the point where I just get tired of this and say you're f**king dumb. Do you morons even read the bulls**t links you post up? For f**ks sake.


From YOUR link:

EDIT: A blog post looking at Jannini's research shed more light on this study. It turns out that the study was only testing impotent males so the results are skewed:

Impotent males are by definition abstinent. Their low level of testosterone is probably caused by whatever dysfunction is also causing their impotence. The authors acknowledge this fact: "... our findings are consistent with the opposite hypothesis: impotence is the cause of reduced testosterone levels."http://gradedhypothesis.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/sex-and-performance.html
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My original post follows:
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I just read an article on Abstinence vs Activity for boxers which was recommended by a Nofapper from these comments:http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1vit8g/sick_of_all_the_pickup_artist_jargon_on_nofap/cessmft
Nobody believed him at first, but I found the article.
A quote fromo the article:
*Emmanuele A. Jannini, a professor of endocrinology at the University of L'Aquila in Italy, agrees. He says sex stimulates the production of testosterone, thus boosting aggression.
"After three months without sex, which is not so uncommon for some athletes, testosterone dramatically drops to levels close to children's levels," Jannini said. "Do you think this may be useful for a boxer?"*
Can anyone verify the validity of this? Are there studies that you know of showing how testosterone is affected by abstinence over a long period of time? (more than a month)

Article: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/...ghting-abstinence-activity-attitudes-changing


From "http://gradedhypothesis.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/sex-and-performance.html":

However, after they claim that impotence causes low testosterone, they go ahead and say that abstinence actually causes low testosterone:

In line with these observations, our data suggest that sexual activity per se can affect testosterone levels. In fact, we show that the loss of sexual activity of impotent patients is characterized by moderately but significantly reduced testosterone levels, while, when sexual activity is started anew – no matter what is the cause and how the impotence is treated – the androgen levels rise.​

So they say that since low testosterone is correlated with abstinence (in impotent males), it probably is also caused by abstinence, and the rule can then be applied to all males. So the root of all those articles recommending masturbation comes from a researcher's apparent error in logic (link to wikipedia page titles "correlation vs causation")





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Also nowhere does it talk about DHT or hair loss, soooooooo yea.

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Well, low T is not desired, but with prepubescent T levels you'll keep your hair for sure

Fatal flaw in your statement. Low T doesn't mean you'll keep your hair at all. You could have low T but really high DHT.

 

[drgs]

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Also nowhere does it talk about DHT or hair loss, soooooooo yea.

Fatal flaw in your statement. Low T doesn't mean you'll keep your hair at all. You could have low T but really high DHT.

For ****s sake, you can with the same success correct my grammar
californiaoceans911, you convinced me. Fapping is good for you -- rub one out, dude, you'll sleep like a stone

All of this is well studied in zoology, in prides with strong hierarchy males with low social rank which are not having any sex, have low T
This "corrects" itself when the beta-male is presented with opportunity to have sex

 

[californiaoceans911]

For ****s sake, you can with the same success correct my grammar
californiaoceans911, you convinced me. Fapping is good for you -- rub one out, dude, you'll sleep like a stone

All of this is well studied in zoology, in prides with strong hierarchy males with low social rank which are not having any sex, have low T
This "corrects" itself when the beta-male is presented with opportunity to have sex

Female lions also have an autoimmune response that aborts their fetus if they smell the urine of another male (not the male that got her pregnant).

I'm sorry to have to inform you of this but lions =/= humans. :wave:


Just because higher or lower testosterone was reported that doesn't mean their DHT level was also changed accordingly. As an aside, correlation does not equal causation. You guys make the funniest leaps of faith just to keep believing nofap works.

 

[drgs]

Female lions also have an autoimmune response that aborts their fetus if they smell the urine of another male (not the male that got her pregnant).

I'm sorry to have to inform you of this but lions =/= humans. :wave:

lions =/= humans, but mammals = mammals
I think neither I or you yourself know what conclusion you want to draw from this, or why you mentioned it

Just because higher or lower testosterone was reported that doesn't mean their DHT level was also changed accordingly

So, prove it, you know -- when T goes down its very likely that DHT will remain the same, which is what you're saying

This will be your exercise for tomorrow, californiaoceans911, put your "critical thinking skills" hat on and start working

 

[californiaoceans911]

lions =/= humans, but mammals = mammals
I think neither I or you yourself know what conclusion you want to draw from this, or why you mentioned it



So, prove it, you know -- when T goes down its very likely that DHT will remain the same, which is what you're saying

This will be your exercise for tomorrow, californiaoceans911, put your "critical thinking skills" hat on and start working

Uhh I mentioned it because you mentioned prides. My point was lions aren't the same as humans. If you think mammals = mammals implies drawing relationships between hormone chemistries of different species than you are just hilarious.

Why do you dipsh*ts keeps saying prove it? I didn't make a claim. I only invalidated your bold claim. YOU PROVE that lowering T will, in this specific case that was mentioned, lower DHT. I didn't say it wouldn't, I just said you can't make that claim without proof.


For the 15th time, we aren't saying nofap won't cure hair loss, we are just saying that there is no evidence that shows it does and thus it is stupid to stop masturbating for hair loss purposes. Pull your heads out of your asses and listen for once.

 

[drgs]

Uhh I mentioned it because you mentioned prides. My point was lions aren't the same as humans. If you think mammals = mammals implies drawing relationships between hormone chemistries of different species than you are just hilarious.

Since lions =/= humans no relationships between hormone chemistries of humans and lions are possible?
Or, if I switch the word pride with something more generic, then we are no longer talking about lions, and the statement becomes valid?

californiaoceans911, you understand the difference between natural and exact science?
Use your common sense to cut through the **** already

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

I've read the article and I have to say that everything including this http://gradedhypothesis.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/sex-and-performance.html are pointing at the opposite.

abstinence raises your T.
yet again , we are talking about the overall level , because sex / arousal obviously brings the house down when it comes to testosterone.

just look at the symptoms caused by low T : depression , lack of energy....etc

I feel none of them , and I am only eating one meal a day , just for the record , my energy / liveliness can't be coming from here.

dropping T levels close to a child isn't enough specific knowing that the real culprit is DHT.

 

[drgs]

just look at the symptoms caused by low T : depression , lack of energy....etc

Children and women don't seem to suffer from it
There is something more to it

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

Children and women don't seem to suffer from it
There is something more to it

correct , the reason is unclear to me.

as you said , low testosterone is unwanted , however I don't know how low is a child's testosterone, a soft voice , no hairs on the chin...etc low enough apparently

abstinence raises the overall testosterone ,that's guarantee , and a peak occurs after the 7th day as a chinese study is pointing out , the one that maher linked on the ancient thread.

edit : this thing is unclear , there is no general rule about DHT and T , that scumbag enzyme is in charge.

 

[californiaoceans911]

Since lions =/= humans no relationships between hormone chemistries of humans and lions are possible?
Or, if I switch the word pride with something more generic, then we are no longer talking about lions, and the statement becomes valid?

californiaoceans911, you understand the difference between natural and exact science?
Use your common sense to cut through the **** already

How do you manage to miss the point every time? I boggles my mind. MY POINT was that you can't draw relationships between any animal you want. Don't you understand why clinical trials are done on humans prior to approval? BECAUSE HUMANS ARE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER MAMMALS.

I cut through the bullsh*t and you seem to bring up something else irrelevant.

For the 16th time now, we aren't saying nofap won't cure hair loss, we are just saying that there is no evidence that shows it does and thus it is stupid to stop masturbating for hair loss purposes. Pull your heads out of your asses and listen for once.

From now on I'm just going to keep repeating this: Show concrete proof that masturbating increases hair loss or stop claiming it does.

You want to talk about nofap? Go to a nofap forum. I hear Reddit has a great one.

 

[drgs]

correct , the reason is unclear to me.

as you said , low testosterone is unwanted , however I don't know how low is a child's testosterone, a soft voice , no hairs on the chin...etc low enough apparently

abstinence raises the overall testosterone ,that's guarantee , and a peak occurs after the 7th day as a chinese study is pointing out , the one that maher linked on the ancient thread.

It peaks on 7th day, but then returns to base level. No one knows why

There is a different 3-weeks study
Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence
with bad wording in the abstract
"although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence"
They were actually studying the effects of p**rn viewing and masturbation on T levels, with and without 3 weeks of abstinence
Same group of young adults watches a p**rn movie for 40 mins and then masturbates. Then they stayed abstinent for 3 weeks and repeated the test: p**rn + masturbation.
Before the abstinence T levels dropped while watching p**rn.
After the abstinence T levels were more stable, but T didn't increase per se
full study

 

[californiaoceans911]

It peaks on 7th day, but then returns to base level. No one knows why

There is a different 3-weeks study
Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence
with bad wording in the abstract
"although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence"
They were actually studying the effects of p**rn viewing and masturbation on T levels, with and without 3 weeks of abstinence
Same group of young adults watches a p**rn movie for 40 mins and then masturbates. Then they stayed abstinent for 3 weeks and repeated the test: p**rn + masturbation.
Before the abstinence T levels dropped while watching p**rn.
After the abstinence T levels were more stable, but T didn't increase per se
full study

Blood was drawn during viewing of pornographic content and immediately after orgasm.

I think many have commented on how this can be a transient effect. Who's to say 3 hours later their T level wasn't back to normal?

Also, says nothing about DHT, just T.


From now on I'm just going to keep repeating this: Show concrete proof that masturbating increases hair loss or stop claiming it does.

You want to talk about nofap? Go to a nofap forum. I hear Reddit has a great one.

 

[drgs]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1275688
"Twenty males participated in a 2-month study examining the relationship between 8 a.m. plasma testosterone levels and orgasmic frequency. Within subjects, higher levels of testosterone are associated with periods of sexual activity. Over subjects, however, the direction of the relationship is reversed. Mean testosterone levels were higher for sexually less active individuals."
+ DHT follows the same pattern with T

However
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17239879
Ejaculation = increased estrogen receptors

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Blood was drawn during viewing of pornographic content and immediately after orgasm.

I think many have commented on how this can be a transient effect. Who's to say 3 hours later their T level wasn't back to normal?

Also, says nothing about DHT, just T.


From now on I'm just going to keep repeating this: Show concrete proof that masturbating increases hair loss or stop claiming it does.

You want to talk about nofap? Go to a nofap forum. I hear Reddit has a great one.

Because... you want to have this NoFap thread for yourself?

 

[californiaoceans911]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1275688
"Twenty males participated in a 2-month study examining the relationship between 8 a.m. plasmatestosteronelevels and orgasmicfrequency. Within subjects, higher levels of testosterone are associated with periods of sexual activity. Over subjects, however, the direction of the relationship is reversed. Mean testosteronelevels were higher for sexually less active individuals."
+ DHT follows the same pattern with T

However
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17239879
Ejaculation = increased estrogen receptors

I can see you're just reading abstracts since the publication is not open source. You're just making up "+ DHT follows the same pattern with T". <----publication did not show this to be true in the individuals, you're just assuming it is

The second publication is a study on rats. If you wanna be the rat king go ahead bro.

Show concrete proof that masturbating increases hair loss or stop claiming it does.

You want to talk about nofap? Go to a nofap forum. I hear Reddit has a great one.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

This thread is over a month old. If nofap works as great as you guys claim, why not post some of your conclusive pics?

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Because... you want to have this NoFap thread for yourself?

Maybe he just wants to talk about legitimate hair loss treatments. Imagine that...

 

[maher]

Maybe he just wants to talk about legitimate hair loss treatments. Imagine that...

This is the alternative treatments section. If you guys want to discus big3, there are plenty of threads in other sections of forum.

All I can say: NoFap saved my hair. I regret I didn't go with NoFap in my early 20s.

 

[drgs]

Maybe he just wants to talk about legitimate hair loss treatments. Imagine that...

You don't understand the concept of forum sections/subforum?
Is it a demand you guys have for every thread?

F*cking cretins

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

I am very disappointed , I had a nocturnal ejaculation (to non-sexual dreams) , I felt no pleasure at all , I suppose that wasn't as harmful as masturbating , because of the non release of dopamine and probably other hormones.

I'll keep my counter up because I had no control over it.

 

[californiaoceans911]

This is the alternative treatments section. If you guys want to discus big3, there are plenty of threads in other sections of forum.

All I can say: NoFap saved my hair. I regret I didn't go with NoFap in my early 20s.

This is an alternative treatments sub-forum, not a "complete f*cking lunacy" sub-forum. You keep saying nofap saved your hair, and I have asked you twice now to post pics, yet you never do..hmmmm

NoFAP regrowing hair is about as crazy as saying a vasectomy will regrow your hair. Get real dude you still have shown zero scientific publications that show masturbating causes hair loss, and you have provided zero anecdotal evidence as well.

Just because this is a sub forum that doesn't mean you get to peddle horsesh*t. Other people read this thread and are misled by your moronic beliefs.

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I am very disappointed , I had a nocturnal ejaculation (to non-sexual dreams) , I felt no pleasure at all , I suppose that wasn't as harmful as masturbating , because of the non release of dopamine and probably other hormones.

I'll keep my counter up because I had no control over it.

First off, The f*ck? LMAO.

Second, stop cheating reset your counter bro, LOL. Just wait you're gonna lose like 500 hairs in the shower today OMG!!!

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

First off, The f*ck? LMAO.

Second, stop cheating reset your counter bro, LOL. Just wait you're gonna lose like 500 hairs in the shower today OMG!!!

theoretically , I didn't watch p**rn nor had an orgasm.

although being aware of your post being pure irony , I don't think that I'll lose as much hair as I did previously , it wasn't the same process , moreover I would call it natural.

edit : why is dreamermerlin banned ? too bad to lose guys like him