All Treatments Have Failed (change My Mind)

[ruffledfeathers]

RCH-01 turned out to be $100K - $300K and they have gone silent (which is a clear and obvious sign of failure in this industry) and released no human trial data really. CB-03-01 would have been amazing but it's so weak that even when applied twice a day the efficacy dropped significantly between 6-12 months. Follicia is essentially just micro-needling with an unknown compound that likely has to go through many phases of clinical trials that haven't even started. Topical finasteride will go systemic as it always has. SM04554 hasn't given any numbers to back up anything and their pace is pretty laughable. I'll leave out the rest of the treatments that have been dead for a long time now: Histogen, Aclaris, ext.. Is their seriously not a single reasonable hope for anything in the next 5-10 years. This is very depressing and I hope I missed something. What is there to look forward to that hasn't completely fallen over at this point. I'm hoping someone can prove me wrong and give me something to hope for.

 

[Fgsfds]

Yep. Get on dutasteride or buy a hairpiece.

 

[OneDay_NW0]

There is something called stem cells. There are 2 companies who want to deliver next year. Everything else will only be a bonus, but if Tsuji or the other company Finish their way, this will be the go-to treatment and it doesn't look so bad.

 

[ruffledfeathers]

Yep. Get on dutasteride or buy a hairpiece.

I got sides from finasteride that were unbearable, I think dutasteride is out of the question for guys like me. I refuse to f*** with my hormones long term.

 

[WeStayCooling]

None of these treatments have even come out yet and most are still in development and you're already writing them off as failures

You don't want to be convinced otherwise, you've clearly made up your mind.

Now if you would please kindly take your mental retardation somewhere so that the rest of us who actually respect science can continue discussing treatments, that would be great.

Thanks you bald b**ch.

 

[WeStayCooling]

I got sides from finasteride that were unbearable, I think dutasteride is out of the question for guys like me. I refuse to f*** with my hormones long term.

then shave your head idiot

according to you everything is a scam and a failure and current treatments are too much for ur weak body to handle

so accept your fate and stop concern trolling

 

[ruffledfeathers]

There is something called stem cells. There are 2 companies who want to deliver next year. Everything else will only be a bonus, but if Tsuji or the other company Finish their way, this will be the go-to treatment and it doesn't look so bad.

All the stem cell companies are all based around RCH-01 correct? And Tsuji himself quoted it at $100K - $300K and has yet to post any actual human results. I don't have $100K lying around, and I don't have a Japanese citizenship. There are so many reasons why this treatment wouldn't apply to the vast majority of us. And that's assuming that it even works at all. And judging by the silence from these companies after they promised to update us and give us results by now, can only mean one thing. Failure.

 

[ruffledfeathers]

then shave your head idiot

according to you everything is a scam and a failure and current treatments are too much for ur weak body to handle

so accept your fate and stop concern trolling

Chill out man. I'm not trolling. I opened this thread to have my mind changed. I want to believe that their is something I can hope for, and I am open to anyone to present any evidence so we can have a discussion. If you have something specific you are hoping will be released, this IS the thread to post about it. This is NOT the thread to call people idiots and call people weak. If your going to be a cuck, go somewhere else.

 

[OneDay_NW0]

Price will drop.
Silence doesn't mean failure.

 

[WeStayCooling]

All the stem cell companies are all based around RCH-01 correct? And Tsuji himself quoted it at $100K - $300K and has yet to post any actual human results. I don't have $100K lying around, and I don't have a Japanese citizenship. There are so many reasons why this treatment wouldn't apply to the vast majority of us. And that's assuming that it even works at all. And judging by the silence from these companies after they promised to update us and give us results by now, can only mean one thing. Failure.

before you make threads such as this spouting your nonsense do your research

A) rch-01 is in development by shiseido
B) tsuji is completely separate from this
C) tsuji has said nothing about the cost, the "quote" obtained was done by some hairloss blogger who was basically non-stop emailing the company/representatives and they fed him some sh*t to keep him quiet

so once again we have someone who not only is not educated on the basic facts, they are completely hysterical and calling for failure of things they have no real knowledge or insight on

stop wasting everones time with your bullshit and nonsense

 

[ruffledfeathers]

None of these treatments have even come out yet and most are still in development and you're already writing them off as failures

You don't want to be convinced otherwise, you've clearly made up your mind.

Now if you would please kindly take your mental retardation somewhere so that the rest of us who actually respect science can continue discussing treatments, that would be great.

Thanks you bald b**ch.

Not bald yet. Barely hanging on to my NW1. I am just interested in how I can prevent any loss as I age. I've followed the science for a while and been lurking on forums for around a year now. Not mentally retarded, just disappointed and skeptical and frustrated that all the companies I have had faith in have delayed their results and skew the presentation of their data so it's hard to decipher how bad their results really were. Take CB-03-01 for example. Incredible results in 6 months comparing growth to baseline. Then in 12 months, the growth cut in half and instead they skewed their results by comparing growth in the drug group to recession in the placebo group. So it looks better. If they would have compared the data like they did at 6 months, by comparing growth in the drug group to baseline of the drug group, it would have shown it as a clear failure from an efficacy standpoint. But they skewed it, making comparing 6 month data and 12 month data to be impossible. I'm tired of practices like this. The deliberate misrepresentation and all the delays in updates are why I have the opinion of all current drugs in the pipeline have failed in one way or another. I want to be hopeful, we all do.

 

[ruffledfeathers]

Price will drop.
Silence doesn't mean failure.

The price doesn't mean failure necessarily. It means failure in the sense that if their is a miracle cure, and only the wealthiest of us can even get on the waiting list, for 99% of people it won't help. In time if it's amazing as they say, then price will drop, availability will increase, and things could be great. But all of this is ignoring the fact that they promised us results from human trials by now. And they have delivered absolutely nothing. Unless I missed something?

 

[ruffledfeathers]

before you make threads such as this spouting your nonsense do your research

A) rch-01 is in development by shiseido
B) tsuji is completely separate from this
C) tsuji has said nothing about the cost, the "quote" obtained was done by some hairloss blogger who was basically non-stop emailing the company/representatives and they fed him some sh*t to keep him quiet

so once again we have someone who not only is not educated on the basic facts, they are completely hysterical and calling for failure of things they have no real knowledge or insight on

stop wasting everones time with your bullshit and nonsense

The price was from a video from Tsuji where he is going through a slideshow quoting the price in japaneese currency, which translated to USD is $100K - $300K. I can find the video if you don't believe me. Maybe I misunderstood something.

 

[WeStayCooling]

Not bald yet. Barely hanging on to my NW1. I am just interested in how I can prevent any loss as I age. I've followed the science for a while and been lurking on forums for around a year now. Not mentally retarded, just disappointed and skeptical and frustrated that all the companies I have had faith in have delayed their results and skew the presentation of their data so it's hard to decipher how bad their results really were. Take CB-03-01 for example. Incredible results in 6 months comparing growth to baseline. Then in 12 months, the growth cut in half and instead they skewed their results by comparing growth in the drug group to recession in the placebo group. So it looks better. If they would have compared the data like they did at 6 months, by comparing growth in the drug group to baseline of the drug group, it would have shown it as a clear failure from an efficacy standpoint. But they skewed it, making comparing 6 month data and 12 month data to be impossible. I'm tired of practices like this. The deliberate misrepresentation and all the delays in updates are why I have the opinion of all current drugs in the pipeline have failed in one way or another. I want to be hopeful, we all do.

you realize that all drugs have an efficacy curve, right?

it's called science, and as you have demonstrated with your fear-mongering and lack of patience already in this thread, it is clear you do not understand it very well

because if you did you would understand that even at that 12 months data the results were still above baseline, meaning not only was CB effective in providing regrowth, it was effective in halting further loss and continuing with more mild regrowth even after 12 months, all without providing side effects which has been the holy grail of coming up with new treatments for over 3 decades now

how is an effective product with no sides a failure? it only is to impatient little children such as yourself that do not understand how science works and wants some miracle cure to fall out of the sky one day magically

and again as I have been saying, if you actually knew your facts, you would know that the final phase of cb testing we are waiting on before anticipating market release has not been completed yet, so once again you are trying to claim failure when not only is there no failure, but you are making your assumptions based off of an old and incomplete data set

 

[ruffledfeathers]

you realize that all drugs have an efficacy curve, right?

it's called science, and as you have demonstrated with your fear-mongering and lack of patience already in this thread, it is clear you do not understand it very well

because if you did you would understand that even at that 12 months data the results were still above baseline, meaning not only was CB effective in providing regrowth, it was effective in halting further loss and continuing with more mild regrowth even after 12 months, all without providing side effects which has been the holy grail of coming up with new treatments for over 3 decades now

how is an effective product with no sides a failure? it only is to impatient little children such as yourself that do not understand how science works and wants some miracle cure to fall out of the sky one day magically

and again as I have been saying, if you actually knew your facts, you would know that the final phase of cb testing we are waiting on before anticipating market release has not been completed yet, so once again you are trying to claim failure when not only is there no failure, but you are making your assumptions based off of an old and incomplete data set

That's the thing, we don't know that the 12 month data was above baseline. Because IT WAS COMPARED TO PLACEBO, NOT THEIR RESPECTIVE BASELINES. I'll dumb it down for you, since you clearly can't process a thought without calling people names. If the drug group lost 10 hairs, and the drug-free group lost 30 hairs, their results say that CB grew 20 hairs. This is how their 12 month data was presented. So we have NO knowledge that were above baseline, unlike the 6 month data which was comparing both groups to their respective baselines.

You have a lot of anger in you my guy. I haven't been aggressive towards you, and if being a keyboard warrior makes you feel better, I get it. Just don't be this much of an a**h** your whole life.

 

[WeStayCooling]

The price was from a video from Tsuji where he is going through a slideshow quoting the price in japaneese currency, which translated to USD is $100K - $300K. I can find the video if you don't believe me. Maybe I misunderstood something.

he was giving an estimation to a question asked to him by a twitter hairloss blogger......

why anyone would assume and take this statement for gospel is beyond me

as far as i am concerned unless a major shareholder comes out and says it or until the company issues a full press release with a concrete price range everything is pure speculation as far as i am concerned....

moreover, why does it matter if it will be expensive? of course it will be expensive. it's cutting edge medical technology and procedure, if they could do it cheaply and easily the cure would have been out decades ago

you should be thankful companies such as this even exist and are doing work today....not complaining because it will be expensive, that is in my humble opinion the least of anybody's worries

 

[WeStayCooling]

That's the thing, we don't know that the 12 month data was above baseline. Because IT WAS COMPARED TO PLACEBO, NOT THEIR RESPECTIVE BASELINES. I'll dumb it down for you, since you clearly can't process a thought without calling people names. If the drug group lost 10 hairs, and the drug-free group lost 30 hairs, their results say that CB grew 20 hairs. This is how their 12 month data was presented. So we have NO knowledge that were above baseline, unlike the 6 month data which was comparing both groups to their respective baselines.

You have a lot of anger in you my guy. I haven't been aggressive towards you, and if being a keyboard warrior makes you feel better, I get it. Just don't be this much of an a**h** your whole life.

you literally don't even know the difference between tusji and rch-01 and I'm the idiot here???

LMAO kid stop hiding from the fact that you are uneducated and clueless

also once again you are exposing your lack of scientific understanding and knowledge, as if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know most if not all major finasteride studies were also conducted using similar methods of comparing baselines to the placebo group

but yet you are not in here calling finasteride a medical failure

hmmm i wonder why

 

[ruffledfeathers]

he was giving an estimation to a question asked to him by a twitter hairloss blogger......

why anyone would assume and take this statement for gospel is beyond me

as far as i am concerned unless a major shareholder comes out and says it or until the company issues a full press release with a concrete price range everything is pure speculation as far as i am concerned....

moreover, why does it matter if it will be expensive? of course it will be expensive. it's cutting edge medical technology and procedure, if they could do it cheaply and easily the cure would have been out decades ago

you should be thankful companies such as this even exist and are doing work today....not complaining because it will be expensive, that is in my humble opinion the least of anybody's worries

Ignore price for a second. We can disagree on that. But you can't ignore their promises for years now of human trial data, and their lack of delivery in any way at all. If they actually had something worthwhile, they would have released it and followed through with their promise. They didn't because they don't want to scare away investors.

 

[WeStayCooling]

The price doesn't mean failure necessarily. It means failure in the sense that if their is a miracle cure, and only the wealthiest of us can even get on the waiting list, for 99% of people it won't help. In time if it's amazing as they say, then price will drop, availability will increase, and things could be great. But all of this is ignoring the fact that they promised us results from human trials by now. And they have delivered absolutely nothing. Unless I missed something?

if you knew anything about medical sciences and the processes involved in these procedures you would understand that delays are inevitable and that a company is not always going to be fully transparent about their results and processes of a product that has not even reached market yet.....

but once again you are showing that you are just an immature child who wants to whine instead of putting 1+1 together

 

[WeStayCooling]

Ignore price for a second. We can disagree on that. But you can't ignore their promises for years now of human trial data, and their lack of delivery in any way at all. If they actually had something worthwhile, they would have released it and followed through with their promise. They didn't because they don't want to scare away investors.

once again you are not even thinking clearly

I will break it down for you like a child, ok?

FACT #1: Tsuji and RCH-01 are not the same thing

THEY ARE LITERALLY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND TEAMS WORKING ON THEIR OWN sh*t

FACT #2: The theoretical price of 300,000 USD you are talking about was given in regards to TSUJI, not RCH-01

FACT #3: The results we are supposedly late on is RCH-01, AGAIN NOTHING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE HAS TO DO WITH TSUJI I REPEAT RCH-01 is COMPLETELY SEPARATE

FACT #4: THE SUPPOSED RESULTS WE ARE WAITING FOR WERE NEVER GIVEN A CONCRETE RELEASE DATE, ONCE AGAIN, THE SUPPOSED DATE FOR WHEN TO EXPECT RESULTS WAS GIVEN TO SOME HAIRLOSS BLOGGER WHO SPENDS ALL DAY SPAMMING EMAILS TO COMPANIES HOPING TO GET INFO, HOWEVER THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY RESPONSIBLE TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS AND ARE NOT JUST GOING TO GIVE OUT DATA TO WHOEVER

so once again, your facts are all wrong and confused, and you are going off random speculation and dates given to hairloss bloggers and extrapolating failure based off that

your knowledge is lacking and your logic is incorrect

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