ANYONE ON DUTASTERIDE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR?

[oni]

My father has no body hair like you and now almost no head hair to, at 68.

Try Cu peptides like Folligen it might speed things up! but you are having a shed. I had great hair for the first three months on dutasteride then I started my big long shed. The first three months on dutasteride (if you are taking 0.5mg a day) are like the loading phase it's only after that you start to see what the drug is going to do.

I know you are pissed off with the shed but after one more year things should be a lot better.

I would try this regime morning 5% minoxidil, 3 grams MSM and good multi Vit. Night 0.5mg dutasteride, Xandrox 15 and Folligen, plus keep with the Nizoral.

That is a pretty hard hitting regime.

Edit PS Try to wash your hair every day

 

[JWM]

Thanks Oni, I'll give your suggestion a shot.

2 Questions:

1) Do you believe Folligen is a worthwhile product?
2) Any reason for taking dutasteride at night and not morning?

Thanks

 

[socks]

A theory of mine was that those first 3 months, my hair was looking good cuz DHT was knocked on its ***, but soon my body compensated for the reduction in DHT and then made my testosterone skyrocket which then may have been converted into something like the bad form of estrogen or some other nasty androgen or whatever. Not exactly rocket science, but a theory.

JWM,

Aside from that study in females that showed a 15% increase in testosterone on Finasteride, I also read 2 medical sites with drug info on Finasteride that showed a 15% increase in testosterone as well as a 15% increase in estradiol.

This phenomenon doesnt seem to be the result of increased testosterone production but rather higher levels of serum testosterone due to lower conversions of T - DHT. As more testosterone is available to the body more is available for the aromatase enzyme to convert to estradiol. Seems like with Finasteride this results in the body reaching a +15% testosterone/estradiol level from baseline.

I'm sure this is even higher with Dutasteride. However, you say "bad" estrogen... What estrogen is bad and why? I heard other people claim estradiol was bad but I never got a good explanation as to why and got the feeling they were just trying to sell me their "agenda" if you know what I mean.


I too have the EXACT same hairloss progression as well along with very little beard and body hair growth. I know you know I'm looking into topical and oral spironolactone as a way to block the ARs from the remaining androgens... Perhaps you should look into atleast a topical anti-androgen as well.

With almost 98% of the Type II 5ar being block bud I cant see how DHT is still your problem... I would guess is has to be with the remaining androgens or possibly estrogens.. Though dont forget to explain to me why exactly estrogens (or some type of it) is "bad" for the hair.


Final note JWM:

I heard you buy your meds from inhousepharmacy. I'm thinking of switching from Proscar to Fincar so I can up my dose to 5mg finasteride instead of 1.25mg. Most people I talked to feel they sell legit drugs that work. What is your take?


PS
Have you ever had your testosterone/DHT levels checked to make sure they are where they should be for a man on Dutasteride?

 

[JWM]

Socks

The 'bad' estrogen statement on my part was based on a few things I have read, but for the life of me I can't remember where I read it. I'm still a layman on the whole estrogen thing, and although there is much evidence to suggest that estrogen is good for hair, I believe there still might be something about it that might be detrimental for diffuse thinners like you and I.

I have never had my blood work done, but plan on doing so ASAP. I just changed doctors so it may take some time to get things rolling.

I only ordered from Inhouse Pharmacy a couple of times. I stopped becasue they raised their prices to almost criminal levels. I now use Unitedpharmacies.com and they are very reliable and well priced.

A topical AA might be the ticket for us, but the question is...which one? I used Revivogen for a year and a half about 5 years ago and it did NOT maintain my hairline. spironolactone for 11 months and the same results. Keep in mind I do not have a receeding hairline, but a diffuse one. The crown is fine. Fluridil I only used for a month but the alcohol fried my hair. RU is too damn hard to get.

Why can't it all be so simple Socks?

 

[socks]

JWM,

I know what ya mean man... You know I'm a diffused thinner as well and it is a real b**ch as you know... I always see dudes with these receding hairlines pop a finasteride pill and plaster some minoxidil on the bald areas and *BAM!*, new hair sprouts... I already have goddamn hair there (densely packed no less) but they just keep getting thinner and thinner... You would think it would be easier to thicken hair up then regrow the damn stuff but it sometimes feels the opposite is true


Anyhow, I've been thinking more and more about it and I'm starting to think maybe Redfox was onto something over on HLH about Insulin Resistance (Redfox's post). I'm thinking of giving a low carb diet a try in addition to my new upcoming augmented routine. Worst that can happen is I'll get in better shape :lol:

Anyhow, for good measure, ask your doctor to not only run a full metabolic panel and thyroid test (make sure he/she includes T3/T4 not just the TSH) but also make sure he/she checks for any insulin related problems... On my metabolic panel my Glucose level was 93MG/DL (range being 65 - 99). 110MG/DL is considered to be pre-diabetes (or Insulin Resistance as I understand it). That was taken over a year ago BTW...


Anyhow, what topical spironolactone did you use? Was it homemade or Internet bought? Gives me some details if ya can bud.


PS
While you're at it you might also want your doctor to check your testosterone serum levels as well as DHT.. Make sure that Dutasteride you're taking is legit... You dont need that extra pint of blood anyhow do ya? :hairy:

 

[JWM]

Socks

I used both Dr. Lee's 2% and 5%.

I have always wondered about the blood sugar thing as well. My diffuse thinning started getting noticeable to me around 20 when I got seriously into bodybuilding. I had no clue about nutrition at the time and would go overboard on processed carbs like white rice and pasta like there was no tomorrow. Connection? Who knows.

What I do know is that I share your frustrations about diffuse thinning. It is so freaking weird. My hair is very thick on the sides and back but it just keeps on getting more and more and more diffuse in front and NOTHING I use seems to help. My one salvation was the forelock area in the middle of my hairline that was always strong and could be styled to hide the thinning spot behind it. Well now the forelock is even thinning! :evil:

There's got to be SOMETHING out there that can at least STOP the process.

In the past 10 years of fighting male pattern baldness I have used:

-Minoxidil 2% and 5%
-Finasteride
-Dutasteride
-Revivogen
-spironolactone 2% and 5%
-Folligen
-Tricomin
-Oz Brew
-Nizoral
-Nano
-Waseda stuff
-Prox-N

And probably a few more things I can't think of right now. VERY upsetting

 

[WiseJoeyD]

...im nw1 at left and 2 at right!! its cos male pattern baldness hit my right temple far worse than it did my left....

i use nizoral occasionaly. i have put on some weight, both muscle (due to increased testosterone) and fat (prolly due tue estrogen or watever). but i was kinda very slim before, and now i have a decent sized chest and arm without even working out!! my physique looks better. i havent devloped gyno, thank God! so in summary, i use just 1mg dutasteride and occasionaly nizoral!

Basically those same experiences as Mr 60Secs.

Been on it for 9 months, Avodart, from Merloni. The price isn't bad from them(actually slightly cheaper than getting Propecia from the chemist!)

I've got the same slightly asymetrical frontal recession. Recently noticed the frontal area as a whole seems to be thinning more than the crown. Either a 'good' sign or a portent?!

Still have "ain't that bad" and "holy crap" moments in the morning after a shower but I'm generally more worried on the frontal thinning.

No side effects, well aside from not visiting the gym for months and still keeping overal muscle tone and strength(?!) and the slight oestrogen related fat increase (then again, no gym for months so...)