Are we looking for perfect equality between men and women, in all aspects

zdm632

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I see in the last time more and more opinions ftom some posters here that don't like how men and women are treated differently by the society.
They don't like that women are encouraged and accepted to wear make-up and men don't, that seeing a woman crying one must give her help ans support and approve her, while seeing a man crying is something despiseful.
That if woman were to bald like men do, a cure to baldness would already be found, and so on.

So what do we propose? That we should level off all differences between men and women, in all aspects?
Isn't that absurd? Men and woman are different physically, mentally, they have different(but complementing) roles in many situations, and so on.
Why should we, man, strieve to be treated like women in the aspects mentioned above?
Is this idea worth to be discussed, or is it plain wrong?
Some even said how women are stronger and more "Evil" than men, how women manipulate men, etc.
But i think it is a false and wrong generalisation.
Yes, there are women who play their men on her fingers, manipulate them, but it's only because the man near them is not so smart, or uses only the brain in their pants when he's around that woman.
But at the same time,the converse is true: there are also men that manipulate women , so that proves nothing.

So....
Why should we be bothered that women wear make-up, and men should not?
Why are we bothered that a crying woman is regarded with compassion, and a crying man is laughed at? I'm talking about grown-up men, not little boys.

And i don't think women are privileged, generally speaking. I can bring tons of arguments: women get through the hassle of giving birth, raising children(let's face it, the main parent who raises a kid is in most cases the mother), etc. Also, the woman works more in the house at cooking, cleaning, etc(i'm talking about the general woman population i all countries, not only the rich ones who can afford to pay workers to clean the home or cook food). OF course, there are men who cook, do housework, etc, but i don't think they are the majority.
So let's not be superficial and analyze in deep. Oh, and i forgot about the monthly hassle women have until menopause, something we guys don't have a clue, etc.

So i'm waiting for your arguments.
 
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I would hate to be a woman, periods and all that s**t. Having to bend over and gobble a sticky load. Men have it easy in comparison.
 

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I am getting pretty fed up with Fred's endless posts about how easy women have it compared to men. We get it, you think we have been handed a free pass, you don't need to say it 100 times.
 

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Yeah keep feeling sorry for yourself that you're a man, see how far it gets you. You are seriously one of the most stubborn people I've ever come across, in your world it's only your opinion that matters and is correct so...
 

zdm632

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Yeah keep feeling sorry for yourself that you're a man, see how far it gets you. You are seriously one of the most stubborn people I've ever come across, in your world it's only your opinion that matters and is correct so...

Right!!
No offence, Fred, but please stop inviting people to read books to find out ordinary matters of life. It's quite an insult.
Yes, many men are manipulated because, hmmm, getting pussy is their weakness, lol.
But not all of them.
And the opposite is also true, i've seen naive women manipulated by men. I don;t want an argue on who does it more.
Please stop it with this: all X's are stupid, all Y's are smart and manipulate and play X's...
Naive men are manipulated by women, and naive woman are manipulated by men, and it will continue 'till the end of the world.
But our discussion was not about this.
Men think women have it easy and women think man have it easy.
And i wasn't trying to say that giving birth is that hard, but it is a hassle which, us, men, don't have.
 

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Pretty far so far if you ask me.

It's not a matter of opinion, I'm only describing reality.

If people felt a little more sorry (instead of not giving a single f-ck), we would probably have a cure for hair loss by now.

So if your life is so great, why the need to complain about the same stuff over and over? Shouldn't you instead be happy your life is good at the moment? Also what difference do you think it makes, complaining about women on a hair loss forum? It's not like the world will change and suddenly start treating men differently because of something you say here.

And my humble opinion is, you are not describing reality, but rather your own twisted version of reality. You might be right in some of the things you say, but not everything. A beautiful woman may have the upper hand in some parts of her life, but the truth is most women also have to work hard to achieve great things in their life, not everything is handed to us on a silver platter.

I do agree we would probably have a cure by now if people felt more sorry for individuals with hair loss though... But sadly this is not the case.
 

zdm632

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Pretty far so far if you ask me.

It's not a matter of opinion, I'm only describing reality.

If people felt a little more sorry (instead of not giving a single f-ck), we would probably have a cure for hair loss by now.

Do you really think this is the reason no hair loss cure showed up by now? Because baldness affects more men?
Really? Really really?
IF women are privileged in treatments/cures for diseases, then how do you explain breast cancer isn't cured yet?
'Cause it only affects women...
Or ovarian cancer?
I don't thing finding a cure for hairloss has anything to do with what you say. Curring hairloss is just...complex.
 

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Do you really think this is the reason no hair loss cure showed up by now? Because baldness affects more men?
Really? Really really?
IF women are privileged in treatments/cures for diseases, then how do you explain breast cancer isn't cured yet?
'Cause it only affects women...
Or ovarian cancer?
I don't thing finding a cure for hairloss has anything to do with what you say. Curring hairloss is just...complex.

We might or might not have a cure if people cared more about hair loss. It's not a sure fact that we'd have a cure, but with more attention to finding a cure it would be more likely to happen. Hair loss is complex but it shouldn't be impossible to solve. I believe there will be a cure, but when I don't know. I hope it's sooner rather than later, although realistically speaking it's probably later.
 

zdm632

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And wtf, Fred, do you want people to "feel sorry" for your hairloss?
Omg, that would be the last thing i wanted, so i have hairloss, and people telling me how bad and sorry they feel. That would certainly make me feel 10x worse about my hair.
I could never be like you.
No, no way, the only thing i want is for people to leave me alone, not saying they're sorry, i only want them to treat me normally. And, until now, that happens to be the case.
It would be an insult and smth very awkward for someone to tell me how sorry he feels for my lack of a full head of hair.
I generally feel bad if people tell me they are sorry for me, regardless the reason. Ok, maybe if i was dying from terminal cancer, i would understand it, but it would be of no help, even in that case.
So no, i don't want anybody's compassion for hairloss, no thanks.
No, people do not feel sorry for others hairloss , and certainly i AM GLAD the don't.
Now, realistically,i think people don't give a **** about other's hairloss.
I , for example, never considered it a flaw in others , even before it happened to me.
In the end it's genetic, it's nature, and...that's all. You either slow/stop it with meds, restore it(very partially) with a hair transplant, or SMP, or get over, and shave your head. Or not shave your head, if you don't like.
Wtf? Most people don't have any problem with it, and those who have are 99% dumb people who don't get that it's a genetic stuff, not something we chose to have.
So we make it such a big tragedy, only for what? For the opinion of some dumb people.(girls included)
Is this rational?
IT exists since ancient times, people got over it, otherwise bald men would dissapear by now.
 

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Also Fred, I think it's quite funny how you say women have a free pass when you yourself hands her that pass. You have said before that banging beautiful women is everything that matters to you, and it's funny how you don't see that you put those women on a pedestal, without them having to ask. So yeah!
 

zdm632

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Also Fred, I think it's quite funny how you say women have a free pass when you yourself hands her that pass. You have said before that banging beautiful women is everything that matters to you, and it's funny how you don't see that you put those women on a pedestal, without them having to ask. So yeah!

Excellent point!!
Of course smart and hot women take advantage of the guys who only look to bang them.(drain their $$$, cheating on them with other guys, etc, then getting melodramatic and playing theatre).
Yes, this is the main portion of guys who are manipulated, i think. Especially if they're not AS good looking as the woman, these are the perfect candidates.
 

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Do you really think this is the reason no hair loss cure showed up by now? Because baldness affects more men?
Really? Really really?
IF women are privileged in treatments/cures for diseases, then how do you explain breast cancer isn't cured yet?
'Cause it only affects women...
Or ovarian cancer?
I don't thing finding a cure for hairloss has anything to do with what you say. Curring hairloss is just...complex.

I don't agree with everything in Fred's post but he is right about this. Even if breast cancer isn't cured there is a significant amount of money and effort spent on finding a cure. The same cannot be said of hair loss where they are about 4-5 teams working on it, all of whom receive little to no funding. We don't know if curing hairloss is complex at all because it is just a low priority matter in the eyes of society and relatively little effort has gone into treating our condition.
 

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First world feminism has brang up a lot of debates saying how women and men treated and to be honest I think it has only damaged women as a whole and if you really look at the statistics you can see how men are worse off in a lot of cases. Most of this tumblr feminism comes down to playing the victim and believing somehow you're oppressed and you see these people in a great big circlejerk on how they are so 'oppressed'. I don't think it's fair to say it is down to the mother to raise their child and I think it's sad how many mothers who simply have zero experience or knowledge raise their child single-handedly, who simply aren't fit mothers. People sometimes forget they're creating a human-being. I love my dad, he provides for the family, goes to work 5 days of the week and as a kid we went on holiday nearly every year, but I can't talk to him now, because you know why, he was never there to talk to or help with anything; we had our mum there instead.

I think it's happening to my sisters husband aswell, he works 5 days of week and leaves my sister to look after the kids. I hope none of you guys make the same mistake by overworking. Actually properly raising your child and getting to know them is something you can miss out on. Saying all that though, it is hard to get food on the table with one parent working.

Society is not perfect but we can work to fix that. Why shouldn't we be bothered that men get insulted for crying? OR how women and men are treated unfairly in different situations?
I don't think anyone is getting up in arms about it, these are minor first world problems; that you just have to deal with. Not started making stupid campaigns about the petty insignificant crap that you deal with maybe once a month.
 

zdm632

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What Fred?
Did it happen to you(be manipulated)?
 

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These days, i feel this forum has swayed from its initial path to soothe hair loss sufferers to just turn everyone into a bitter other-gender hating individual.
 

doublebatman

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In first world countries the differences between genders are fairly subtle. I don't think either gender has it better or worse than the other, it's just appreciating diversity. I think feminism has largely accomplished what it set out for, nowadays they are campaigning for stupid sh1t like strong female characters in games and movies as there is nothing meaninful to rant about any more.

Many developing countries women are treated like animals, there's no debating the differences there.

Also, regarding "the manipulated man", I really don't see how a 42 year old book is really relevant given how much society and attitudes have changed in the past half a century.
 

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I think women have it way easier when it comes to sex, the ugliest poorest woman can get laid in an instant, the ugliest poorest man can't even buy a porno mag lol, sad but true.
 

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Im sure evil knows all about how shallow women can be and all the games they play etc.but that is why I can appreciate her so much because her situation allows her to appreciate our situation... for once these two seperate worlds can see eye to eye without any bs pretense and that is invaluable imo.
 

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I think women have it way easier when it comes to sex, the ugliest poorest woman can get laid in an instant, the ugliest poorest man can't even buy a porno mag lol, sad but true.

It's a fact. A woman can be unattractive and still get laid with very little work. You take an average looking guy and he has to put in work to get a piece of ***. Even then it will not be free. Take a balding guy and...well we already know how that goes.
 
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