Article: Wheat and hairloss......kinda interesting

[guitar66]

Brains Expel- Don't want to quote the whole post but I agree with you. I have yet to go gluten free/dairy free, but I can share a slightly simliar experience.

From the time I was 15 I had terrible sebborheic dermatitis. Its a skin condition that usually involves the face and scalp and the sebaceous glands. It gives you flaky, oily skin with lots of redness and inflamation. I tried every possible thing to treat it- 5 different prescription topicals, prescription shampoos, lotions, moisturizers, scrubs, masks EVERYTHING. I had it for ten years, and although it would subside at times, I always had the feeling it was really close to coming back (and it usually was)

Long story short, I finally came across a group on yahoo that emphasized changing diet (preferably no meat at all, absolutley no red meat, lots of vegetables, no dairy etc). The only thing you were allowed to use on your face was organic apple cider vineger.

Again, trying to keep this post from going to long, but heres what happened. At first, i was about 75% on the recommended diet. Things got a lot better. I could feel the difference internally. Then i got up to about 90%, and it completely cleared. After trying everything, it finally cleared through changing the diet.

Now, when I slack on my diet, I can feel the inflamation and the see the redness starting again.

Furthermore, when cutting out meat and dairy, I feel more focused, I have more energy, more alertness, and my skin and eyes feel and look much better. I plan on taking this further and trying to stabilize my hair loss with diet changes.

I would also like to further research the effect of my seb dermatitis on hair loss, since I am diffuse, and there is much correlation between hair loss and seb derm (sebaceous gland, inflamation etc)

 

[powersam]

I actually agree with most of the article, and was posting about the link between insulin resistance and hairloss years ago.

But wtf is this and where is a link to the study? "Using Green Tea with Soy or Black Tea Extracts have also been shown to lower serum DHT more than Proscar/Propecia in animal models."

Also to call Bryan a shill is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard on this forum, including the 'policemen don't go bald' threads, and everything written by CCS.

Bryan is probably the most valuable member of this forum, definitely the most knowledgeable, and has brought a huge amount of very useful information to these boards.

Also he never said that wheat/insulin had nothing to do with hair loss, he said he would like to see evidence. ie/ neither for nor against, but definitely not 'for' until some kind of evidence is brought forth.


guitar66 - If you cut red meat out of your diet you are an idiot.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Congratulations on finding something to at least alleviate your symptoms. I would like to stress however that you might not be at the end of the road for your searching. Gluten problems damage the same cells that are responsible for properly breaking down casien and as such can actually be the cause for someone to develop a casien problem in the first place. Since you are pretty much dairy free currently, now would be a great time to take the next step and cut out gluten.

Gluten problems are also notorious for causing seborrheic dermatitis as well. But... you'd be crazy to be both vegan and gluten free.

 

[guitar66]

I actually agree with most of the article, and was posting about the link between insulin resistance and hairloss years ago.

guitar66 - If you cut red meat out of your diet you are an idiot.

why on earth would that be?

And then heres the part where you say "because you need iron and protein"

and then I say, "I get more than enough of each from the rest of my diet".

our meat industry is run like one big disgusting factory right now. Between the hormones, the antibiotics, shitty feed, and the bleach and additives they use to combat ecoli, I think you're an idiot for ever wanting to put any of that in your body. not to mention, there used to be many slaughterhouses all over the county. Now everything is done by region, so when you're eating a burger you can theoretically be eating meat from 100 different cows. Not to mention all the additives. Yum.

I'm no hippie vegetarian activist. I love to eat steak man. But I've read plenty of research that cutting out red meat is very beneficial to your health. I look and feel better after one month of doing it.

 

[guitar66]

Congratulations on finding something to at least alleviate your symptoms. I would like to stress however that you might not be at the end of the road for your searching. Gluten problems damage the same cells that are responsible for properly breaking down casien and as such can actually be the cause for someone to develop a casien problem in the first place. Since you are pretty much dairy free currently, now would be a great time to take the next step and cut out gluten.

Gluten problems are also notorious for causing seborrheic dermatitis as well. But... you'd be crazy to be both vegan and gluten free.

the dairy thing is easy. i've never really been a fan of milk, i'd rather cook with olive oil than butter, so those are easy. I still eat a small amount of cheese from time to time with meals.

the gluten thing seems to be harder though. Its like its hidden in everything. I can give up bread, and i can give up wheat pasta etc. The brown rice pasta I use tastes really good actually. But it seems like the gluten is hidden in spices, preservatives, everything. So i'm making a concious effort to do it, but I can't find myself asking at every resturaunt "is this gluten free?"

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

If you check on some of the celiac group/organization websites they'll give you a lot of good links and information on gluten-free/gluten-free-friendly restaurants. Apparently at Outback, Olive Garden and Carrabas they can even give you a gluten free menu at the restaurant and supposedly will be sure that your food isn't prepared on shared surfaces. Chipotle is also another gluten-free-friendly place, but with the amount of flour tortillas the servers handle you're best off having them change their gloves before handling your burrito bowl or hard tacos (corn tortilla). I don't have a problem with gluten free pasta at all, just a severe distaste for gluten free pasta that's been refrigerated, the starches do not hold up well.

Some of the common hiding places for gluten is "natural flavors" "caramel flavors/colors" "food starch/modified food starch" and "spices". When in doubt consult the companies website, most of the large/semi-large companies have easy to find gluten info and most supermarket chains have full lists of all of their house brand products that are gluten free.

I understand your fear of the meat industry being close to that particular field of the food industry myself, but overall as long as you stay away from ground beef you'll do fine. NEVER EAT GROUND BEEF, EVER, NOT EVEN A LITTLE IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE AT ALL.

 

[powersam]

I actually agree with most of the article, and was posting about the link between insulin resistance and hairloss years ago.

guitar66 - If you cut red meat out of your diet you are an idiot.

why on earth would that be?

And then heres the part where you say "because you need iron and protein"

and then I say, "I get more than enough of each from the rest of my diet".

our meat industry is run like one big disgusting factory right now. Between the hormones, the antibiotics, shitty feed, and the bleach and additives they use to combat ecoli, I think you're an idiot for ever wanting to put any of that in your body. not to mention, there used to be many slaughterhouses all over the county. Now everything is done by region, so when you're eating a burger you can theoretically be eating meat from 100 different cows. Not to mention all the additives. Yum.

I'm no hippie vegetarian activist. I love to eat steak man. But I've read plenty of research that cutting out red meat is very beneficial to your health. I look and feel better after one month of doing it.

Because the human body has been using meat as fuel since homo sapiens appeared on the earth. That said, calling you an idiot was probably a bit strongly worded. If you go read the research that supposedly proves red meat and saturated fat are unhealthy you will see some massive holes in the research. And I mean really massive.

I agree with you about the meat industry, in the US and UK at least. It is a lot better over here in aus but I still buy grass fed organic anyway.

Cutting out wheat and dairy is what helped, cutting out red meat, especially the animal fat, is just denying yourself what your body has evolved to use as fuel.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Grass fed cow has a significantly different nutritional profile than grain fed crap. Or go pro, eat deer!

 

[powersam]

Grass fed cow has a significantly different nutritional profile than grain fed crap. Or go pro, eat deer!

Venison from the culling has actually started appearing in stores now, I am absolutely stoked about it as venison is one of my most favourite meats, second only to duck.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Venison from the culling has actually started appearing in stores now, I am absolutely stoked about it as venison is one of my most favourite meats, second only to duck.

Foie Gras (which is always from duck in the US) is one of the most compelling arguments for the existence of a deity that I have so far encountered. But, I guess it really doesn't belong in a discussion on the healthy benefits of meat...

 

[powersam]

Venison from the culling has actually started appearing in stores now, I am absolutely stoked about it as venison is one of my most favourite meats, second only to duck.

Foie Gras (which is always from duck in the US) is one of the mcompellinationg arguments for the existence of a deity that I have so far encountered. But, I guess it really doesn't belong in a discussion on the healthy benefits of meat...

Digression is the cornerstone of conversation.