Baldies and the reason they have to be buff

[cantholdmedown]

You have a distorted view of the world.

Not distorted just different. Everyones reality is different because they see it through their own distorted lens. Who is to say who's perception of reality is more accurate?

And just because you don't experience something firsthand doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yes everyone has their own view of the world, distorted by their experience and biases. But that's why we have science. Things like what you claim can be objectively tested.

Assuming our assumptions about reality are true, it would be absurd that my arguments would be nullified by say, a schizophrenic, because he says our realities are different. :whistle:

The general consensus of this forum has been that you are a good looking man, who pulls off the bald look. Confirmation bias, subconscious behavior, and statistical unlikeliness are most likely the cause of your views.

 

[cantholdmedown]

lol well im glad you admit it

yeah i felt the same to, i would never grow out horshoe back when i was bald, not for a lot of money thats for sure.

but that's it you see, you see how different it is.

the reason why you view it as different is because it's an actual style, it is a valid style.

but the point im trying to make is that in the history of mankind is that a balding man has never had a "style" he can run away to.

and balding men are not meant to have this "shave, tan and be vin diesel" type mentality.

it was never mentioned in the bible on baldness that "the man was balding so he went sly, got a tan and buffed up and now he looks like a thug"

that a new thing, and baldness is MEANT to be defeat in a man, as example horshoe.

and the horshoe exampe is the classic sign of game over for man, it has always been seen as this.

i mean even when mystery got neil strauss to go sly bald he said "now we will get you a tan and earings and you'll look like a thug"

therefore "problem" solved.

but that is not the problem solved, its not what its meant to be, that is only a choice that has been going since late 90s and will due to expire eventually.

you are also fooling people, because your not showing how bald you are, i mean you might not even HAVE hairloss, its even worse than the combover becuase at least that didnt fool anyone, but slybald DOES fool people..."is that guy balding?"...."we dont know"....see....you have fooled people. they don't know.

its a trick, a gimmick as larry david would put it, it is not what balding is meant to represent, and IMO its not 100% confidence, maybe its 30% confidence compared to TRUE bald that you would have been if it was the 1970s.

but if your tall you can be quite imposing with the bald head if you get me, so i guess that could make up for it!

HPM:

The thing is that comparing styles < 1950 is really erroneous to the conversation. Style didn't really exist in society before then, you were either upper class or lower class in most cases. Most women's attraction switches were different to what they are today.

I disagree with regards to the horse shoe. It is not a sign of defeat, atleast until you get deep recession. A lot of women are attracted to a "mature hairline" aka nw2-nw3.25. Especially pre 1970s. Anything past Norwood-4 game over though.

 

[HairPieceMan]

what has class got to do with anything?

and as far as hairstyles went, being bald was still very undesirable.

even in biblical times it was viewed as undesirable, i dont mean to jsut women, i mean like it was just mocked and seen as really bad.

and yes when i say horshoe i mean NW5, like what me and UCMan had in early- mid 20s.

and yes horshoe IS defeat.

imagine billy corgan, joe satriani (lol), even vin diesel with thick horshoe, its pure defeat, not just for women, but just in general.

if satch had horshoe it would be laughable, and fact is that what baldness was in the 1970s, before there was this run away style balding guys have now!

also this isn't just about women, it's just a fact in general, im sure in biblical times women were more like things you bought with money or something, they people you seduced on your own looks or confidence or whatever (where being a NW1 and tall would be good)

 

[kejan]

There are even some people who have a 'dignified' horseshoe. Is Patrick Stewart not often sporting the horseshoe? Many women find him attractive, the same with Jason Statham as well.

You don't have to be super buff to be a baldie and a baldie with style. Keep yourself in reasonably good shape - eat well, exercise and I think that a lot of us are still young-ish - the most important one in my opinion, look after your skin - moisturizer, wear suncream and look after your skin.
Even if you lose your hair, beautiful skin and soft features will still attract women.

Personally, the only issue I have with going 'sly' is that I can't seem to get away with wearing the similar clothes and b) it means you'll have that style for the rest of my life.

 

[HairPieceMan]

patrick has a very small and closely cut horshoe.

i don't think this resembles the full blown ring that most guys had at at least most times in human history.

statham is a beard compensator, of the greek style type hair, i haven't got a name for those type of people, i call it greek style, although im sure we can find a better name for those people.

so statham = compensator

patrick = very minor horshoe that isn't noticable most of the time.

 

[HairPieceMan]

also all you slybald guys should be grateful that your living in this very small time in human history where its ok to be sly.

becuase 99% balding guys have been fucked in other centuries!

but to pretend to speak from your high horsh of "confidence" and "security" and "being yourself" its just BS becuase you and I both know that sly is not being yourself at all and if it was the 1970s youd all be in a massive panick afraid to show your true self/"hair".

 

[HairPieceMan]

The main reason Bald guys feel compelled to compensate is because they are put under much more scrutiny than full heads.

A skinny bald guy is sickly looking while a skinny full head is still seen as cool.

A bald guy dressing fashionably is trying too hard while the full head with trendy clothes is cool.

The bald guy who works out is obviously compensating and is insecure while the buft full head is just admirably health conscious.

You have a distorted view of the world.

The only time I have ever heard people making rude comments about people who compensate was with regards to short people building muscles.

that's not entirely true, either follically challanged or vertical challenged males are seen as compensating if they ever do something interesting or whatever.

actually there is true stigma for short men, and you can read the scientific studies on that, such as short man syndrome or napolean complex.

as for as bald men, i beleive it exists to, at least they feel that way when dating, i mean if you see a great girl with an average baldy the first thing people think of is that guy has truck loads of money because like 80% of the male population hve hair and look better than the average baldie or that they met before hairloss yadayadayada.

but i think its true of foiically challenged men, that they compensate, like for me when i got hair with my hair system i felt very wierd with my personality, becuase i was part of the group of men that look at least normal or good with hair (like 80% of male population), rather than being part of the bad looking bald guy group which is like <.01% of the "young" male population, like all of a sudden i didn't have to be such an amazing guy because i was normal.


but then again this was for me being very short and looking bad bald, of course UCMan looks at least good bald + is tall, so for him the impact of hair will be minimal.

it's jsut unfortuney for me i was part of the bad looking bald crowd, but that is a rarity even in the bald community!

 

[ghg]

my point is that baldness is MEANT to be bad, its meant to look like sh*t, its meant to be underiable.

its not meant to be "a style" like vin diesel.

becuase in that case where it is a style, its easy to be confident, its EASY to be confident with NO hair at all, BECUASE its a style.

but try horshoe, exactly, totally different world.

Says who exactly?

 

[s.a.f]

The main reason Bald guys feel compelled to compensate is because they are put under much more scrutiny than full heads.

A skinny bald guy is sickly looking while a skinny full head is still seen as cool.

A bald guy dressing fashionably is trying too hard while the full head with trendy clothes is cool.

The bald guy who works out is obviously compensating and is insecure while the buft full head is just admirably health conscious.

You have a distorted view of the world.

The only time I have ever heard people making rude comments about people who compensate was with regards to short people building muscles.

I'd say his first comment is spot on. And the other 2 are relavent. Its like the car analogy UCman? posted recently - putting 22" rims on a hot car is the icing on the cake, putting them on an old beater is ridiculous.

 

[LooseItAll]

loose it all you are very wrong in your opinion of confidence.

being bald is not confident, you are shaving to try to have a style, your running away from the balding problem so your solution is no hair is better than "some" hair in the grandpa hair position, being bald has always meant to be horshoe thing, which is meant to be soul destroying to anyone <35 (can you imagine vin diesel with grown out horshoe, yes he would look like sh*t)

bald is not meant to be this in style type thing, its only been like that in recent years, even in the bible baldness in men was looked down upon badly.

its meant to be a very unlucky thing for a guy, not cool.

and just becuase YOU think it doesn't matter and YOU think you have this big bag of "confidence" to make up for something so trivial as male pattern baldness then go ahead and live out a full life of grandpa hair (which is true baldness since most of human history) then you come back and tell me that you're better off not wearing the hair or whatever.

go on, grow out full thick horshoe hair and be slick on top and lead this "magnificant social life" or whatever you so claim awaits the bald man w/ confidence, go for it now, proove me wrong.

I'm waiting.

By your logic, a NW1 that is styling his hair is insecure because that is not how a NW1 hair should look like naturally. We should all wear long hair that we could trip over while walking because using styling products cutting it, using gel is all just a sign of our inseurity... I mean get real... Confidence is not about knowing you look like sh*t and being ok with that.

Like I said even wearing a wig is not a sign of insecurity by itself. As long as the person treats it as an image improvement and is not depending his entire life on wearing a wig.

For example you as a 5'4" and bald guy could lead a pretty good social life and you could even have a gf. Of course not a supermodel but rather an average/low average looking one. Then boosting your height and having hair could increase your chances with better looking women, but if you are afraid of walking up to and asking a girl out now, it will be the same after all this stuff.

 

[kejan]

Excellent post, loose it all - absoulte agreement with you.

Everyone does it - even women. A lot of girls won't leave the house without a ton of makeup kegged over their face probably due to them being insecure about how they look without or it makes them feel pretty/desireable to the opposite sex.
Men are the exact same - some men have that pube style hair where after a couple of inches it grows out all over the place and they'll use straightners to soften and straighten the hair out - again, they probably do this because they like the way they look with straight hair and think they look better.

I'm not a sly guy but I have no issues with it, if anything their attitude all be it a bit fake ''go sly bro'' etc. They are in their own world at times, but at least they've found a solution and are happy with that decision they've come to.

 

[HairPieceMan]

loose it all you are very wrong in your opinion of confidence.

being bald is not confident, you are shaving to try to have a style, your running away from the balding problem so your solution is no hair is better than "some" hair in the grandpa hair position, being bald has always meant to be horshoe thing, which is meant to be soul destroying to anyone <35 (can you imagine vin diesel with grown out horshoe, yes he would look like sh*t)

bald is not meant to be this in style type thing, its only been like that in recent years, even in the bible baldness in men was looked down upon badly.

its meant to be a very unlucky thing for a guy, not cool.

and just becuase YOU think it doesn't matter and YOU think you have this big bag of "confidence" to make up for something so trivial as male pattern baldness then go ahead and live out a full life of grandpa hair (which is true baldness since most of human history) then you come back and tell me that you're better off not wearing the hair or whatever.

go on, grow out full thick horshoe hair and be slick on top and lead this "magnificant social life" or whatever you so claim awaits the bald man w/ confidence, go for it now, proove me wrong.

I'm waiting.

By your logic, a NW1 that is styling his hair is insecure because that is not how a NW1 hair should look like naturally. We should all wear long hair that we could trip over while walking because using styling products cutting it, using gel is all just a sign of our inseurity... I mean get real... Confidence is not about knowing you look like sh*t and being ok with that.

your so full of sh*t.


there is nothing wrong with long hair at all, there is a MASSIVE social difference between having hair down to your *** versus going out horshoe.

you try telling me there isn't a social difference between joe satriani being slybald and joe satriani having grown out horshoe (which is what bald is meant to be and has been for centuries).

if your think the logic is the same, and you are treating a man with long (possible unkept)hair "style" to a man who is horshoe due to male pattern baldness you have serisous mental issues.

the problem is horshoe is NOT a style, long unkept hair is a style (take kurt cobain as example of long unwashed and greasy hair) maybe if it was the other way around say a mohawk where hair is on top and nothing on the sides, yeah THAT'S a style, also fully bald is a style that has been going for about 15 years, but horshoe is a TOTALLY different world and stop thinking its like some sort of "style" or something.


YOUR logic is flawed if you think long unkept hair "without gel" is on equal to this

 

[s.a.f]

For example you as a 5'4" and bald guy could lead a pretty good social life and you could even have a gf. Of course not a supermodel but rather an average/low average looking one. Then boosting your height and having hair could increase your chances with better looking women, but if you are afraid of walking up to and asking a girl out now, it will be the same after all this stuff.

:agree: Thats my theory also. This is why he reminds everyone of CCS.

 

[s.a.f]

Excellent post, loose it all - absoulte agreement with you.

Everyone does it - even women. A lot of girls won't leave the house without a ton of makeup kegged over their face probably due to them being insecure about how they look without or it makes them feel pretty/desireable to the opposite sex.

The womens issue is a very complex one. Yes women wear make up to look better and attract men but thats not even the half of it. Imagine women going to a 'womans only' night in such as those homeware parties they go to. They'll still get dressed up to the nines even though they wont see a single man there.
For women its more about feeling feminine they actually enjoy the whole dressing up process.

This is where some posters on here fail to see the difference and we get guys saying "well women do all this cosmetic stuff so surely we should'nt be looked down upon for doing it too. - Wrong!

 

[HairPieceMan]

also on women:

but what if i dont want a below average women?

what if i want to do well in the dating scene instead of scraping at the bottom of the barrel?

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yeah in general guys aren't meant to seek cosmetic things to make them look better.

but i think in case of baldness since only 2% or something of men are bald, wanting to fix that so you have hair and blend in isn't the same kinda things as a cosmetic item, i see it as being something different.

like if someone got a transplant i woulndt think he is like vain or got a cosmetic "boost" of over men like botox or something, id think he just wants to look normal/natural and have a hairline to frame his face and appear more normal.

 

[SheSawMyCombover]

also on women:

but what if i dont want a below average women?

what if i want to do well in the dating scene instead of scraping at the bottom of the barrel?

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yeah in general guys aren't meant to seek cosmetic things to make them look better.

but i think in case of baldness since only 2% or something of men are bald, wanting to fix that so you have hair and blend in isn't the same kinda things as a cosmetic item, i see it as being something different.

like if someone got a transplant i woulndt think he is like vain or got a cosmetic "boost" of over men like botox or something, id think he just wants to look normal/natural and have a hairline to frame his face and appear more normal.

C'mon HairPieceMan surely you can't think that only around 2% of men are bald. Even in your are only strictly speaking about your own age demographic, which if I'm not mistaken would be the 18-25 category, there are still more than 2% of guys in that demographic bald/balding.

 

[HairPieceMan]

i meant men 35 and under who are BALD as in they have no crown, not Norwood 2.25, i mean actually bald.

i mean there is hardly even anyone on this forum (a friggin hairloss forum ffs) who is actually bald in their 20s, there is UCMan, Me, and probably a few others, but most here (liek 98% of hairloss sufferes) are "suffering" in their late 30s from a Norwood 2.38695 and sh*t like that.

just take a look at famous people, who can look like regular people (who arent actors and need to look a certain way)

how many of them are bald, nearly f*** all

1. wayne rooney. (who got a transplant) - looks like sh*t
2.satch (who is a shades/hats compensator) - looks like sh*t
3. billy corgan, (who is a dress code compensator) - looks good
4.guy from anthrax, (beard compensator) - looks ok
5.guy from slayer, (beard compensator) - looks ok

thats it, five...its like literally f*** all people are full slap heads.

in fact i woulnd't even say 5, becuase 3 are compesators and 1 is a hair transplant guy, there is only one guy who is actually bald without the bullshit, and that's billy corgan and he was a pretty boy before hairloss anyway adn still looks good, and + he is tall.


oh and to make things even hard then find someone who is bald (as in full bald) and is in my height group!

hahaha, good luck finding that then, i mean none of those guys are even as short as me, its near imposible to find someone as genetically fucked as me!

 

[cantholdmedown]

also on women:

but what if i dont want a below average women?

what if i want to do well in the dating scene instead of scraping at the bottom of the barrel?

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yeah in general guys aren't meant to seek cosmetic things to make them look better.

but i think in case of baldness since only 2% or something of men are bald, wanting to fix that so you have hair and blend in isn't the same kinda things as a cosmetic item, i see it as being something different.

like if someone got a transplant i woulndt think he is like vain or got a cosmetic "boost" of over men like botox or something, id think he just wants to look normal/natural and have a hairline to frame his face and appear more normal.

C'mon HairPieceMan surely you can't think that only around 2% of men are bald. Even in your are only strictly speaking about your own age demographic, which if I'm not mistaken would be the 18-25 category, there are still more than 2% of guys in that demographic bald/balding.

HPM is right...I'm sly and at my age I have only seen 5% of men who are actually BALD. Aka nw3+ and shave it

 

[kejan]

SAF - I agree to an extent that it is very different between us and women. From the women that I've dated, friends with or know through work, family, friends etc a lof of them seem to enjoy the dressing up part, but there are a few who are even almost paranoid about being seen without makeup - I worked with a girl and she used to wake up 20mins before her boyfriend on week days to get ready for him.

HPM - like you say about ultimate confidence is growing out the horseshoe but to I'd guess 95% of the sex you are trying to attract, a grown-out horseshoe looks awful.
What bout the guys who use straightners on their hair? Many of them are no doubt good looking and confident, but they feel they look better with their hair straight.

It's about finding a style that we like ourselves and hopefully suit and going with it. If it's a wig, a shaved head, a short back and sides with concealers. Go for it.

Ok guys, some new survey straight off the the minds of 20-21 year old girls. I was speaking to a few tonight in a bar - and out of the 9 of them, 6 said they found shaved bald attractive and I asked if they meant shaved with a hairline like Victor Valdes and they said bald, bald but the guy has to be in shape.
The other 3 said they didn't fancy bald guys.

6 out of 9 aint bad - so there are women out there for us.. And if anything, the hottest girls were in the 6.

I'm trying to be light-hearted before anyone brings me up about it.

 

[HairPieceMan]

yes but it depends how they look bald.

great = vin diesel (rare)
good = billy corgan (tall and pretty boy before hairloss)
ok = alot of guys on forum say UCman or whatever
bad = satch/hpm

i look soo bad bald, like satch that i cannot get around the baldness + shortness.

when women think of a bald man they picture a typical guy that is between "good" and "ok" bald, they don't picture a joe satriani type that looks aweful bald, and certainly not this short, that is almost laughable.

the girls that said they dont liek bald men were probably thinking of a bad looking bald guy, they probably just saw a few out there on the street that day or something.

thing is some bald men look "ok" in the pub lighting, but then in daylight the girl can loose interest becuase you look like crap again, like look at bruce willis or jason statham in daylight, they guys look pretty bad compared to any decent looking NW1 guy, the head is too much of a distraction.

so for that level of baldness its too much to bear, it just looks really f*****g bad.

whats this about straiteners, look, horshoe IS bald, that is true bald.

its not about "trying to find a style", the only "style" that really balding guys "find" its f*****g SLYBALD, that's it, its a style, but that is NOT bald, that wasn't what bald was in the 1970s,1870s,1670s-since whenever.

bald and confident = horshoe, aslways was and soon enough all this sly stuff will be OVER, it wont last forever.

then you can kiss goodbye to you're 95% of women selection once this sh*t isn't possible no more.

honeslty any hair style no matter how unattractive it looks (that is not hairloss) is a style, even if its stupid long and crazy, mohawk whatever

its a style, a statement.

slybald is a style , a statement (has been for 15 years)


but that is NOT what balding men have had to do in past, they have horshoe, bald is meant to be bad, look like sh*t, old man grandpa hair, that is what its MEANT to be!


if people back in biblical times just went sly, and grew a big massive beard like the guy from anthrax then bald would be cool, or at least semi cool/acceptable.

but balding men have never meant to have a cool or acceptable "style" to run away to and claim there "captain confidence", yet they shave ther horsoe everyday and hope to god no one sees their hairline and woulndt be caught dead leaving the house with grandpa hair.

sounds like these guys are confident being bald, so long as its the late 90s - 2020s or whevenever this trend ends!

sounds liek there "being themselves", very lucky they live in this small part in human history where they can "be themselves" and claim confidence over the hair transplant/wig people lol