maintainence1
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Finally there are some reasonable posts on this thread.
Balding and how it affects how you are treated at work
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googler
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lol
I'm storing this in my memory bank for when this inevitably happens to me.
To the original poster, perhaps its the way you perceive yourself that you think he is better than you because he has a full head of hair. And your body language is giving the impression to others that your just an average joe, not your hair. If you act confident people will give you respect and make less references to your hair because you're too confident for it to effect you.
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fact is few people have strong confidence...a lot are just weak inside and put on a show of confidence for the outside world to see...and anyone who would put down another for something like hairloss which is largely outside of a person's control, people like this have feelings of inadequacy that they put a band-aid on through the belittling of others to make theirselves feel better...they will look for any little thing to prove to themselves that they have something over you, and hairloss is just one thing that is obvious that their simple, insecure minds can latch onto to bolster their own self-esteem which is lacking...
That is bullshit.. Bottom line is let your work/results speak for you! Thats why you're there right... Look at it this way: are there many successful CEO's that look like Brad Pitt? I didn't think so. Grin and Bear it that is your only option. Do your work and do it well. so what if the male model gets the attention. He will probably get busted for inappropriate conduct. I.E. knocking up the hot receptionst. And as far as the the women wanting men with more hair. You can politely remind them that there truely is a glass ceiling!
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Hell yes, DC! You got it.
There is one thing that women like more than pretty-boy norwood 1 types, and that is guys who kick ***, take care of business, know how to treat a woman, are confident, and walk tall, regardless of norwood.
I'm sure there are plenty of CEO's... actually, no, not just CEO's, but guys who just plain have a good job, know where they are going in life, and are comfortable in their own skin who hook up with top shelf snatch.
Everybody has a weakness, nobody is perfect. Work with your weaknesses, know your strengths, and play your cards accordingly.
There is one thing that women like more than pretty-boy norwood 1 types, and that is guys who kick ***, take care of business, know how to treat a woman, are confident, and walk tall, regardless of norwood.
I'm sure there are plenty of CEO's... actually, no, not just CEO's, but guys who just plain have a good job, know where they are going in life, and are comfortable in their own skin who hook up with top shelf snatch.
Everybody has a weakness, nobody is perfect. Work with your weaknesses, know your strengths, and play your cards accordingly.
blah.....cognitive disonnance is fine and all..but let's be real
a confident bald man is always going to be inferior to a non confident NW1 given other variables are controlled
if you're physically attractive, being insecure is tinted into a virtue ('aww, he's hot yet vulernable, not like those arrogant guys).
etc.etc.
if you're hot, basically EVERYTHING ELSE is tinted into a virtue so long as you're not a pedophile or something equally as socially unacceptable.
AND EVEN THEN...some will love you for it
if you're bald, well you can still get ahead: but you have to work so ridiculously hard, achieve so much, have so much talent/wealth/status just to come to the door of some guy with good hair who hasnt doesn't jack
so I guess we might as well get going in that direction to catch up..well not so fast..male pattern baldness is so depressing that you lose all the dopamine/norepinehprine needed to motivate one's self
it is truly a horrific catch-22
and I leave you with some famous examples: Moby : super rich, musical genius, super talented, pacifict, vegan, feminist, nice to everyone, respectful, super famous, status, even tries to dress nice for a bald guy
STILL A DORK, STILL alone, STILL not 'cool' or anyone to be respected
has said in many interviews that he can't get laid and is desperate: although I heard he dated Natalie Portman once (but then she said they should just be friends).
girls like this will often mitake the bald friend as a lover when feeling insecure, but eventually they come to their senses
one little caveat: if you are very tall and have the right face shape and look mean and tough or whatever, you can be a semi cool bald guy
a lot of us happen to be short with akward faces however
look it sucks, but it's the truth : trying to deny it will just leave you looking like a fool trying to be cool white bald guy
anyways: save up for a hair transplant, f*** it get a loan, beg, be a gay hooker, whatever you need to do
unless you're diffuse thinning in a NW7 pattern like me: in which case, kill yourself or hold out hope for HM (LORD PLEASE!)
a confident bald man is always going to be inferior to a non confident NW1 given other variables are controlled
if you're physically attractive, being insecure is tinted into a virtue ('aww, he's hot yet vulernable, not like those arrogant guys).
etc.etc.
if you're hot, basically EVERYTHING ELSE is tinted into a virtue so long as you're not a pedophile or something equally as socially unacceptable.
AND EVEN THEN...some will love you for it
if you're bald, well you can still get ahead: but you have to work so ridiculously hard, achieve so much, have so much talent/wealth/status just to come to the door of some guy with good hair who hasnt doesn't jack
so I guess we might as well get going in that direction to catch up..well not so fast..male pattern baldness is so depressing that you lose all the dopamine/norepinehprine needed to motivate one's self
it is truly a horrific catch-22
and I leave you with some famous examples: Moby : super rich, musical genius, super talented, pacifict, vegan, feminist, nice to everyone, respectful, super famous, status, even tries to dress nice for a bald guy
STILL A DORK, STILL alone, STILL not 'cool' or anyone to be respected
has said in many interviews that he can't get laid and is desperate: although I heard he dated Natalie Portman once (but then she said they should just be friends).
girls like this will often mitake the bald friend as a lover when feeling insecure, but eventually they come to their senses
one little caveat: if you are very tall and have the right face shape and look mean and tough or whatever, you can be a semi cool bald guy
a lot of us happen to be short with akward faces however
look it sucks, but it's the truth : trying to deny it will just leave you looking like a fool trying to be cool white bald guy
anyways: save up for a hair transplant, f*** it get a loan, beg, be a gay hooker, whatever you need to do
unless you're diffuse thinning in a NW7 pattern like me: in which case, kill yourself or hold out hope for HM (LORD PLEASE!)
The company I work for has hired some good looking men and women. To date, they have proven pretty worthless compared to the average and nerdy looking employee's ( we are in software engineering ). Still the good looking employe's have managed to secure higher saleries than their uglier counterparts, I know because I am a manager and Im privy to this info.
The fact is, its a very superficial world we live in.
The fact is, its a very superficial world we live in.
Johnny24601
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I think your point of view is pathetic. To others who read it, I cannot disagree and believe the opposite on almost every point. I also believe that much more of the people (especially woman) would agree with me.
I think your point of view is pathetic. To others who read it, I cannot disagree and believe the opposite on almost every point. I also believe that much more of the people (especially woman) would agree with me.
Johnny24601
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re: most rediculous things I have ever read
"a confident bald man is always going to be inferior to a non confident NW1 given other variables are controlled"
"if you're bald, well you can still get ahead: but you have to work so ridiculously hard, achieve so much, have so much talent/wealth/status just to come to the door of some guy with good hair who hasnt doesn't jack"
"and I leave you with some famous examples: Moby : super rich, musical genius, super talented, pacifict, vegan, feminist, nice to everyone, respectful, super famous, status, even tries to dress nice for a bald guy
STILL A DORK, STILL alone, STILL not 'cool' or anyone to be respected"
You know Moby's personal life from a few interviews. You suck man. I hate you, I hate anyone like you and cannot believe that others on this Site allowed you to get away with those stupid remarks. Just because you hate yourself and your bald head and think you are ugly, don't go making conclusions for others. You ignorance is mind blowing.
"a confident bald man is always going to be inferior to a non confident NW1 given other variables are controlled"
"if you're bald, well you can still get ahead: but you have to work so ridiculously hard, achieve so much, have so much talent/wealth/status just to come to the door of some guy with good hair who hasnt doesn't jack"
"and I leave you with some famous examples: Moby : super rich, musical genius, super talented, pacifict, vegan, feminist, nice to everyone, respectful, super famous, status, even tries to dress nice for a bald guy
STILL A DORK, STILL alone, STILL not 'cool' or anyone to be respected"
You know Moby's personal life from a few interviews. You suck man. I hate you, I hate anyone like you and cannot believe that others on this Site allowed you to get away with those stupid remarks. Just because you hate yourself and your bald head and think you are ugly, don't go making conclusions for others. You ignorance is mind blowing.
Greg1 said:
Sure, in an ideal world this would be the case. But honestly, could you see yourself dating an extremly obese girl? Or how about someone with facial disfigurement?
The fact that we like attractive features is just part of our design. We recognize attractive traits as goodness, or health - we cant help this. Premature baldness makes us less attractive and thus less people will want to be our friends, and less women will want to date us. If you cant accept this and come to grips with it I feel sorry for you.
Of course most of us have other attractive qualities that help us offset baldness. I personally have really good skin, and nice eyes, perfect teeth, Im tall, and Im in great shape.
And my member is above average size - Im thankfull for that
So I may not rise to the top at my office as fast as if I had hair like Tom Cruise, and I dont expect to date supermodels, but I do well for what I was given.
And thats what its about anyhow, make the best out of the hand you were dealt and dont harp on the negatives.
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To compare male pattern baldness with a very obese person or disfigured is pathetic. Here' s a fact of life....men go bald. It is part of life and it is not disgusting, unattractive, wierd or wrong but it is very very common. A full head of hair is certainly more attractive but this is a condition that certainly over 25% of men over 35 are dealing with. It should not effect your pay scale or quality of life unless you let it.
Why am I wasting my time?
To compare male pattern baldness with a very obese person or disfigured is pathetic. Here' s a fact of life....men go bald. It is part of life and it is not disgusting, unattractive, wierd or wrong but it is very very common. A full head of hair is certainly more attractive but this is a condition that certainly over 25% of men over 35 are dealing with. It should not effect your pay scale or quality of life unless you let it.
Why am I wasting my time?
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I never compared balding to disfigurement. I was responding to the poster saying its only the inside that counts.
Clearly the outside counts.
And attractiveness does affect your pay scale, this has been proven by several independant studies. So baldness will negatively affect it.
I remember my dad telling me that at the huge defense company he became an executive VP of, there were no bald, short or fat men at his level or above. Its a fact of life, you are wrong, accept it or go hide in your shell.
And we are talking about premature baldness, not mature hairlines that age gracefully over time ala Clint Eastwood. Premature baldness is an unattractive trait!
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I never compared balding to disfigurement. I was responding to the poster saying its only the inside that counts.
Clearly the outside counts.
And attractiveness does affect your pay scale, this has been proven by several independant studies. So baldness will negatively affect it.
I remember my dad telling me that at the huge defense company he became an executive VP of, there were no bald, short or fat men at his level or above. Its a fact of life, you are wrong, accept it or go hide in your shell.
And we are talking about premature baldness, not mature hairlines that age gracefully over time ala Clint Eastwood. Premature baldness is an unattractive trait!
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Obviously a good outside appearance is a positive. Blanket statements about your dad and his tiny data set of VP experience is useless.
My point is that not having hair is so far behind things like work ethic, morality, education, production, physical health, , proper hygene, communication skills, work attitude, ability, effort and many many other qualities that make up a quality worker and quality human being. My other point is that woman see hair count as one of the less important factors in their life partner. Men are so used to selecting their partners on appearance, that they begin to think that women do the same. I have never made any decisions about one's work quality based on the amount of hair on their head but maybe I am just not seeing the truth.
I just cannot deal with listening to men talk about being freaks, having something wrong with them, saying they get paid less, can't get women because of their hair. It is pathetic. I am done here.........
Obviously a good outside appearance is a positive. Blanket statements about your dad and his tiny data set of VP experience is useless.
My point is that not having hair is so far behind things like work ethic, morality, education, production, physical health, , proper hygene, communication skills, work attitude, ability, effort and many many other qualities that make up a quality worker and quality human being. My other point is that woman see hair count as one of the less important factors in their life partner. Men are so used to selecting their partners on appearance, that they begin to think that women do the same. I have never made any decisions about one's work quality based on the amount of hair on their head but maybe I am just not seeing the truth.
I just cannot deal with listening to men talk about being freaks, having something wrong with them, saying they get paid less, can't get women because of their hair. It is pathetic. I am done here.........
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I think it's possible to get schizoid about this whole thing.
There's 2 things happening at once. As a media culture, we see on TV, mostly attractive people (unless you're watching Jerry Springer) They get on TV because they're attractive, or have character. FOr a long time, most of the men on TV shows who were bald, played perverts of shady characters.
But when we turn off the set and go into the world, we see the reality. That most people are obese, dress like sh*t, and many men are bald. It's like a rainbow of ugliness out there (unless you live in Brentwood) and that's the reality. Now if I were to hire someone, I'd look at their hair for sure, and my first reaction would be to see that person as a casting agent would. But then when I looked around and saw that this bald person was more common than the attractive people I see on the tube, I'd have to quickly reassess.
If the TV and magazines, and our culture in general, weren't so vain, egotistical, and totally self-absorbed, we wouldn't be so bothered by it all, and we'd all be a hell of a lot better off.
There's 2 things happening at once. As a media culture, we see on TV, mostly attractive people (unless you're watching Jerry Springer) They get on TV because they're attractive, or have character. FOr a long time, most of the men on TV shows who were bald, played perverts of shady characters.
But when we turn off the set and go into the world, we see the reality. That most people are obese, dress like sh*t, and many men are bald. It's like a rainbow of ugliness out there (unless you live in Brentwood) and that's the reality. Now if I were to hire someone, I'd look at their hair for sure, and my first reaction would be to see that person as a casting agent would. But then when I looked around and saw that this bald person was more common than the attractive people I see on the tube, I'd have to quickly reassess.
If the TV and magazines, and our culture in general, weren't so vain, egotistical, and totally self-absorbed, we wouldn't be so bothered by it all, and we'd all be a hell of a lot better off.
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Bwahaha, you are killin me man!
Girls are just as superficial as men, if not more so. Sure some good looking girls will settle for an average looking guy with money who worships them, but they never have feelings for them.
I know man, I have 3 sisters and you should hear the way they rip on bald, short or pudgy guys. Its brutal. All 3 of them are college educated, good looking girls that never have a hard time getting a boyfriend, maybe its different for more plain or average girls.
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Bwahaha, you are killin me man!
Girls are just as superficial as men, if not more so. Sure some good looking girls will settle for an average looking guy with money who worships them, but they never have feelings for them.
I know man, I have 3 sisters and you should hear the way they rip on bald, short or pudgy guys. Its brutal. All 3 of them are college educated, good looking girls that never have a hard time getting a boyfriend, maybe its different for more plain or average girls.
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Maybe your sisters are just as vain as you are, which is shocking seeing how you were raised under the same parents and all. If I dated them I would dump them in no time and I am also educated, attractive and have no problem getting woman but I have morals and human decency. Anyone who criticizes others for their appearence is just putting them down to make themselves feel better because it makes them feel better about themsleves. Why else would someone waste their time spewing negative opinions about others.
I thought along the same lines as you and have realized it is just not the case. Of course I also surround myself with people who have enough personal dignity to judge others by their character so I guess my pont of view is warped. Right?
Maybe your sisters are just as vain as you are, which is shocking seeing how you were raised under the same parents and all. If I dated them I would dump them in no time and I am also educated, attractive and have no problem getting woman but I have morals and human decency. Anyone who criticizes others for their appearence is just putting them down to make themselves feel better because it makes them feel better about themsleves. Why else would someone waste their time spewing negative opinions about others.
I thought along the same lines as you and have realized it is just not the case. Of course I also surround myself with people who have enough personal dignity to judge others by their character so I guess my pont of view is warped. Right?
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Hey, you are taking the high road, but calling me names? I think you need to take a chill and realize that Im explaining my view of the world from my experience. I dont judge people because they value attractiveness in their dating partners, I accept this as a part of life.
And Im not spewing negative values about people, WTF - thats just the way people are.
You on the other hand, by trying to be a "good" person, are in fact judging people for their basic human instincts. Just accept that other people value beauty more than you, or more than you claim ( you could be full of sh*t and only date supermodel types for all I know ).
In your world, people should forget all their base attraction instinct and choose people based on what factors you think are important. I got news for ya, that isnt going to happen, girls are not going to start dating less attractive men because you want them to, or you think it will make them better people.
Johnny24601 said:
Hey, you are taking the high road, but calling me names? I think you need to take a chill and realize that Im explaining my view of the world from my experience. I dont judge people because they value attractiveness in their dating partners, I accept this as a part of life.
And Im not spewing negative values about people, WTF - thats just the way people are.
You on the other hand, by trying to be a "good" person, are in fact judging people for their basic human instincts. Just accept that other people value beauty more than you, or more than you claim ( you could be full of sh*t and only date supermodel types for all I know ).
In your world, people should forget all their base attraction instinct and choose people based on what factors you think are important. I got news for ya, that isnt going to happen, girls are not going to start dating less attractive men because you want them to, or you think it will make them better people.