beards , baldness ,and sweat secretion study

[S Foote.]

what constitutes 'having a beard'.

I genrally have some light stubble on my face but I do not have a thick beard.

Does stubble count?

Does your facial hair have to be certain length before male pattern baldness kicks in?

All sounds ridiculous to me.

Sorry but i might not have answered your point?

This study is not about how sweating is related to how much hair growth there is. The tested areas in this study were all shaved before testing in all the subjects.

The relationship is between the areas of DHT related hair growth/ loss, and the ability of the local tissue to produce sweat. That is regardless of if you shave your beard or not!

It shows that follicle shrinkage or enlargement due to the action of DHT, `ALSO' has major `opposite' effects on sweat secretion.

S Foote.

 

[S Foote.]

you and Bryan should get your ultra intelligent brains together and build a time machine so you can find the cure and bring it back.

I personaly think the `historical' problem with hair loss research, is the vested interests in `certain' treatments.

Someone always has `something' to sell, and what studies are available are often quoted out of context to `sell' the product!!

You have to understand that hair loss research is a backwater in science, and until `mainstream' scientific rules are used, it will remain so unfortunately!

S Foote.

 

[thin=depressed]

what constitutes 'having a beard'.

I genrally have some light stubble on my face but I do not have a thick beard.

Does stubble count?

Does your facial hair have to be certain length before male pattern baldness kicks in?

All sounds ridiculous to me.

Your being unfairly bitchy. Lay off the finasteride for a while dude.

 

[Thinning]

I sweat a lot because I work out a lot. Would this help or hinder my male pattern baldness? Maybe it releases the scalp fluid, or maybe it engourges it.

 

[thin=depressed]

I sweat a lot because I work out a lot. Would this help or hinder my male pattern baldness? Maybe it releases the scalp fluid, or maybe it engourges it.

I think letting the sweat dry on the scalp may turn the dht carrying sweat into dht holding sebum where it then can stay in the tissue for many days causing follicle harm. best to keep your scalp pores open and clean is all I'm saying.

 

[asdf13]

I sweat a lot because I work out a lot. Would this help or hinder my male pattern baldness? Maybe it releases the scalp fluid, or maybe it engourges it.

I think letting the sweat dry on the scalp may turn the dht carrying sweat into dht holding sebum where it then can stay in the tissue for many days causing follicle harm. best to keep your scalp pores open and clean is all I'm saying.

Being serious...

I'm not sure I understand all of it (although I get the ballon thing)... What about Listerine?

OK, still being serious. I believe the guy who created listerine was name Henry Lister. It was used for cuts, and other various things that may cuase infections. It destroys everything (the bad).

I wonder if it could be used as topical... Maybe kill DHT? I probably sound stupid, but owell just throwing a thought out there.

 

[zackb]

Fluid lessening?

Are there any pills or other stuff proven to seriously lessen fluid levels or help with the lymph whatever problem? Maybe these drugs could solve male pattern baldness. I like the theory a lot and think that drug co's and Dr's should seriously look into it.

 

[norain]

i think the beard theory is ridduclous. i have a couple friends that can grow thick beards, not stubble (like me), and in about a week. they have friggin mops on their heads. my one friend who is balding with me, but slower, can not grow even mustache stubble.

 

[Old Baldy]

FWIW, since I've been taking finasteride. (late December, 2004) my beard growth has slowed down a little. Trim it every 10 days instead of 7 days. I can go 2 weeks without the beard looking too sloppy. Never could do that before taking finasteride.

Also, hairs that minaturized on my legs, the same time as male pattern baldness started, are now growing. My ear and nose hairs have slowed down in growth the same as my beard.

Anecdotal, but that's what's happened to me. It's a small change but noticable. (It's kind of fascinating.)

 

[thin=depressed]

i think the beard theory is ridduclous. i have a couple friends that can grow thick beards, not stubble (like me), and in about a week. they have friggin mops on their heads. my one friend who is balding with me, but slower, can not grow even mustache stubble.

There's just too many guys walking around with thick beards and thick heads to say this theory is valid.

 

[thin=depressed]

I sweat a lot because I work out a lot. Would this help or hinder my male pattern baldness? Maybe it releases the scalp fluid, or maybe it engourges it.

I think letting the sweat dry on the scalp may turn the dht carrying sweat into dht holding sebum where it then can stay in the tissue for many days causing follicle harm. best to keep your scalp pores open and clean is all I'm saying.

Being serious...

I'm not sure I understand all of it (although I get the ballon thing)... What about Listerine?

OK, still being serious. I believe the guy who created listerine was name Henry Lister. It was used for cuts, and other various things that may cuase infections. It destroys everything (the bad).

I wonder if it could be used as topical... Maybe kill DHT? I probably sound stupid, but owell just throwing a thought out there.

If it kills dht it basicly will neutralize ALL hormones in the scalp. Wasn't there a home test kit to test suliva levels of dht? Could we possably experiment by testing just saliva on one strip then immediately after test saliva with a touch of listerine added to it? Then compare results.

 

[Bryan]

I think you guys are missing the point. The theory is just trying to explain an evolutionary tendency toward balding that involves overheating of the brain and a compensatory cooling effect from balding. It's not claiming that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ON EARTH who has a beard is going to start balding!

Bryan

 

[S Foote.]

I think you guys are missing the point. The theory is just trying to explain an evolutionary tendency toward balding that involves overheating of the brain and a compensatory cooling effect from balding. It's not claiming that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ON EARTH who has a beard is going to start balding!

Bryan

The point is Bryan, how can `YOU' explain the mechanistic link between androgen related hair growth/loss, and these significant changes in sweating capacity, according to the theory you support??

The simple answer is you can't!

S Foote.

 

[michael barry]

Guys,
I have to be honest. Baldness has pissed men off for time immemorial and the first caveman to look at his reflection in a pond was no doubt horrified that he was balding. If anything we should be evolving full heads of hair because we WANT it so bad and are brains are wishing it to happen (mind over matter anyone?).
Ive often wondered why Europeans bald so much more than Hispanics when Hispanics come from hot areas where hair is a pain in the butt adding to your head heat. Europeans come from a cold place where they NEED hair to keep their heads warm. Perhaps full heads of hair evolved to protect the head from skin cancer and bald heads evolved to get more vitamin D (because everyone in Northern Europe and Russia had their bodies covered up in furs to stay warm). I have noted that Japanese and Mongolians (northernmost asiatics), seem to bald more than Chinese and other Asians.........

Anyone have similar observations?

 

[Bryan]

I think you guys are missing the point. The theory is just trying to explain an evolutionary tendency toward balding that involves overheating of the brain and a compensatory cooling effect from balding. It's not claiming that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ON EARTH who has a beard is going to start balding!

Bryan

The point is Bryan, how can `YOU' explain the mechanistic link between androgen related hair growth/loss, and these significant changes in sweating capacity, according to the theory you support??

The simple answer is you can't!

I'm not sure I understand your question. What exactly do you mean by "mechanistic link" in this context?

Bryan

 

[S Foote.]

I think you guys are missing the point. The theory is just trying to explain an evolutionary tendency toward balding that involves overheating of the brain and a compensatory cooling effect from balding. It's not claiming that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ON EARTH who has a beard is going to start balding!

Bryan

The point is Bryan, how can `YOU' explain the mechanistic link between androgen related hair growth/loss, and these significant changes in sweating capacity, according to the theory you support??

The simple answer is you can't!

I'm not sure I understand your question. What exactly do you mean by "mechanistic link" in this context?

Bryan

I mean the normal cause and effect process based on recognised physiology Bryan.

Really this is the process described by `Ockham's razor'
http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/N ... node5.html

The easiest way to explain the results of this sweating relationship in androgen related hair growth/loss, is as i describe in the `Hydraulic dermal model' section of my paper.
http://www.hairsite2.com/library/abst-167.htm

The problem with the current direct theory of growth changes induced by androgens `within' the follicles, is that the corresponding sweating changes are `NOT' growth related. There is no change in the size of the sweat glands!

So the current theory requires multiply `different' mechanisms of the androgen effect, to explain this relationship.

My theory only needs the `one' mechanism of androgen induced changes in local tissue fluid pressures to explain the results of this study!

Ockham's razor rejects your theory Bryan

S Foote.

 

[Bryan]

I mean the normal cause and effect process based on recognised physiology Bryan.

The easiest way to explain the results of this sweating relationship in androgen related hair growth/loss, is as i describe in the `Hydraulic dermal model' section of my paper.

I think we should prefer what SCIENTISTS say, over your eccentric theorizing. Why haven't you acknowledged what they say about that in the "Beards, Baldness, and Sweat Secretion" study you like to mention so much?

"...it is likely that modified sweating intensity is caused by a changed local sensitivity of sweat gland receptors to neurotransmitters, under the influence of circulating androgens. Such reversal of sensitivity to neurotransmitters has been shown to exist in tissue culture and in rat eccrine sweat glands."

Ockham's razor rejects your theory Bryan

Oh bullshit, Stephen. William of Ockham turns over in his grave every time you post about your eccentric theory. You make up lame excuses about "fibrosis" in an effort to explain the success of hair transplants into normally balding areas of scalp, and to explain why balding follicles continue to bald right on schedule even when they are transplanted into non-"edema" areas of skin, you make up some idea about...OOPS, I forgot: you haven't even come up with ANY explanation for that yet, not even a LAME one!

Bryan

 

[S Foote.]

I mean the normal cause and effect process based on recognised physiology Bryan.

The easiest way to explain the results of this sweating relationship in androgen related hair growth/loss, is as i describe in the `Hydraulic dermal model' section of my paper.

I think we should prefer what SCIENTISTS say, over your eccentric theorizing. Why haven't you acknowledged what they say about that in the "Beards, Baldness, and Sweat Secretion" study you like to mention so much?

"...it is likely that modified sweating intensity is caused by a changed local sensitivity of sweat gland receptors to neurotransmitters, under the influence of circulating androgens. Such reversal of sensitivity to neurotransmitters has been shown to exist in tissue culture and in rat eccrine sweat glands."


[quote="S Foote.":24389]Ockham's razor rejects your theory Bryan

Oh bullshit, Stephen. William of Ockham turns over in his grave every time you post about your eccentric theory. You make up lame excuses about "fibrosis" in an effort to explain the success of hair transplants into normally balding areas of scalp, and to explain why balding follicles continue to bald right on schedule even when they are transplanted into non-"edema" areas of skin, you make up some idea about...OOPS, I forgot: you haven't even come up with ANY explanation for that yet, not even a LAME one!

Bryan[/quote:24389]

Well Bryan, at least your always good for a laugh :lol:

It was Professor Cabanac who first contacted `ME' about the relevance of this study to my theory! The section you quote above is the normal `HYPOTHESIS' scientists include in research papers as a `possible' explaination for the results.

Your complete ignorance of such scientific protocols, just shows the people reading this what you are in reality!

That is a `pretend' internet forum `scientist' :wink:

You should find another hobby Bryan!

S Foote.

 

[Chujgcha]

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[Bryan]

It was Professor Cabanac who first contacted `ME' about the relevance of this study to my theory! The section you quote above is the normal `HYPOTHESIS' scientists include in research papers as a `possible' explaination for the results.

Yeah, right...and what he believes is the REAL explanation is YOUR theory. Right, Stephen??

My god, you're in DEEP DENIAL over all this. It's really sad.

Bryan