Been on minoxidil and Finesteride for 5 years

[Redbone]

Revivogen and Crinagen have azleic acid also. I believe you have to specify xandrox nightime to get the benefits of Retinoic acid, which Dr. Lee is not a big fan of. I used Crinogen for a while and I thought it was overated, the only difference with xandrox seems to be that he adds minoxidil.

I am not a doctor but get the feeling that many on this board dont believe in topical DHT inhibitors like Azleic acid. They prefer Fina if you can handle it.

 

[Guest]

Yea i am planning to use the Xandrox 12% once a day every night on my temples. But its effective, he says that 5% spironolactone has the same effects of finasteride without the side effects. HairLossTalk.com would prolly know about that.

And dr lee is not a fan of azelaic acid. He put the sh*t in all of his formulas and recommends to a lot of people it seems. And its not just azelaic acid alone, its like retin a, minoxidil, and other sh*t together. Plus your right you should use finasteride.

 

[Redbone]

No he loves azleic acid he does not recommend Retin A? I find it hard to believe that spironolactone has the same effects as Finasteride. I have not read one postive post about it though I have not read a negative one either.


"RED SOX NATION BABY :rockon: "

 

[Guest]

yea i dont really believe that about spironolactone either. Finasteride is better prolly.

Oh man you got suckered on shen min lol. Man how did you fall for that one. I read there site when i was new to hairloss and I could tell it was sh*t right away.

And what is this Lewenbergs formula? It looks like an ineffective drug to me just from hearing about it. If it just has minoxidil 2% and retin A it cant be to affective. Xandrox 5% has retin A, Azeliac acid, and minoxidil 5% and an asortment of other stuff. It seems like Xandrox would be a better deal for a better price. I wouldnt pay for that expensive formula when I can have Xandrox which is more powerful and half the price.

 

[richlocks]

Myabe he is and maybe he isnt, he offers a money back guarantee on his products and they say they work in 90% of his patients.

Who the f*** knows, I know one thing though it is as easy to use as fina, no crap to rub into your scalp, smelly odors and the such. If you havent tried it rich you have no reason to comment on it. I have and have had good growth. It is not just a matter of mixing the two he uses other things as well. Either way it is not worth $50 for 60ml unless it makes your hair like it did when you were f*****g 12.

And another thing I am tired of people talking sh*t about this stuff if they don't have anything to back it up with. I have posted several times on the treatments page and no one has responded. So unless you have something constructive to say shut up. There is no negative feedback on the whole net about this stuff- if you think you know so much Rich bring me the evidance. Besides what do you use Nioxin?

Whoa.. where is the hostility coming from ? You want "evidance"?

Listen dude, Lewenberg is a crook. Minoxidil works for a lot of people.. what if i packaged it differently with a different PPG/alcohol ratio (as he does) and charge you 10x the price.. and it works just as well as minoxidil. Would that be ethical?

I don't have to use lewenbergs crap to comment on it.. all it is is a minoxidil/retinA combo mixed with a user friendly ratio of alcohol/PPG. You can get the exact same thing compounded, but if you want to pay 10x the price, then go for it slugger.

People can talk sh*t all they want, because they can have their opinion. There is magic potion in lewenberg's solution.. again it's minoxidil and retin A. All retin A does is aid in absorption (with a few studies saying it promotes growth on it's own). There is plenty of negative feedback on lewenberg.. PLENTY. Hardly anyone uses it anyways, should say something. He charges way too much cash for something you can get for 5 times less.

I do know alot, but that's because i've been here for too long. It's not a good thing. Don't get all pissy on me.. and no i don't use nioxin, I use finasteride. I've used minoxidil in the past .. different versions and i got great results (without having to pay a fortune like you) but i absorbed too much of the stuff and had to quit due to side effects. I'ev used MANY treatments, and have the experience to back up my claims. If there's anything you'd like me to clear up for you, i'd be happy to answer.

 

[hairwish]

I agree with richlocks.

8 years ago I tried Lewenberg's stuff for almost 3 years and wasn't happy with the results for the price I was paying. whenever I would mention something about it to him he would interupt me with oh you need to use more. I was already using 10-15 sprays 4X/Day which was a PITA to do.
with those before and after picture albums he had on the waiting room table made it pretty convincing that it worked.

then when finasteride came out he would constantly mail, hand out and post all over his office the DANGERS of using finasteride with minoxidil and how INEFFECTIVE it was and also to stick to his formula because it's the best thing out there!

So I waited for 1 year after propecia came out to see what people's results would be before switching over to it. since I made the switch I've had great results just using propecia and minoxidil (rogaine) alone. It was cosmetically acceptable unlike when I used Lewenbergs stuff. granted if you added finasteride to his regime, which he was highly against, may have yeilded similar results I think but for me it all comes down to what you're paying for it.

I just didn't like his overall doctor ethics (it was more like business ethics for him). he just wasn't open minded at all and way too greedy in my opinion which is why he pushed his products to use it more and more and more and...


2 more things:

I ended up buying his stuff for half the price for about 2 years from one of the receptionists, we would meet around the corner and make the switch..lol

and when I first went to the office there was a camara that needed to get a face shot of you before they buzzed you in and I asked why later, they told me because they were getting bomb threats (gee I wonder why).

anyway that was my experience with Lewenberg's stuff and good luck to all those that use it.

 

[Bryan]

Look at the ingrediants in Xandrox, it has DHT blockers. It has azelaic and retin acid and blocks almost if not all the dht where applied.

I think that's very doubtful. As I've pointed out a number of times, there is no in vivo evidence that I'm aware of that azelaic acid inhibits 5a-reductase. In fact, it's just the opposite: topical azelaic acid in both animals and humans has been found not to affect sebum production, which in turn would seem to indicate no effect on DHT production (sebaceous glands are very sensitive to androgens, DHT in particular).

Summing up: there's NEGATIVE evidence for topical azelaic acid, and no POSITIVE evidence. Doesn't look good for it.

Bryan

 

[The Fluke]

I agree with richlocks.

8 years ago I tried Lewenberg's stuff for almost 3 years and wasn't happy with the results for the price I was paying. whenever I would mention something about it to him he would interupt me with oh you need to use more. I was already using 10-15 sprays 4X/Day which was a PITA to do.
with those before and after picture albums he had on the waiting room table made it pretty convincing that it worked.

then when finasteride came out he would constantly mail, hand out and post all over his office the DANGERS of using finasteride with minoxidil and how INEFFECTIVE it was and also to stick to his formula because it's the best thing out there!

So I waited for 1 year after propecia came out to see what people's results would be before switching over to it. since I made the switch I've had great results just using propecia and minoxidil (rogaine) alone. It was cosmetically acceptable unlike when I used Lewenbergs stuff. granted if you added finasteride to his regime, which he was highly against, may have yeilded similar results I think but for me it all comes down to what you're paying for it.

I just didn't like his overall doctor ethics (it was more like business ethics for him). he just wasn't open minded at all and way too greedy in my opinion which is why he pushed his products to use it more and more and more and...


2 more things:

I ended up buying his stuff for half the price for about 2 years from one of the receptionists, we would meet around the corner and make the switch..lol

and when I first went to the office there was a camara that needed to get a face shot of you before they buzzed you in and I asked why later, they told me because they were getting bomb threats (gee I wonder why).

anyway that was my experience with Lewenberg's stuff and good luck to all those that use it.

Holy sh*t!!


that guy sounds like a bandit!

 

[Redbone]

I know nothing about Lewenberg except maybe that he is a crook. I have experienced the same things that richlox mentions. He is very adamant about suggesting anything that will help you, including Nizoral. He is very much against Fina and 100% for his product. The solution to everything is use more of the formula etc. And when you email him telling him it doesn't work he just say use more product. He tells you to spray it from 8-10" away so most of the formula evaporates and you misfire and have to spray more. He and his secretary who answer the phone speak in heavy foreign tongue. Everything is suspicious & geared toward using more of his sh*t.

I am so f*****g tired of paying $160 a month for mediocre results. I am truly starting to believe his product is a huge scam, why in the hell would he charge $50 for a 3/4 filled 60ml bottle that last 5 days if it were not a scam. And why would he want you to buy as many bottles up front if it werent a scam.

I can understand the Bomb threats because he is f*****g people hardcore. I keep using more and more and more to keep the results coming but it is not.