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I saw my older brother recently.

He is fat and out of shape. Completely soft. No hint of muscle. You can't make out his facial bones. Soft arms. A genuine 1-1.5 out of 10. It's not like he weighs 150 kilos, it's just that our genes don't allow us to get fat and look good.

Part of me feels better because I see where I would have been without my hours in the gym and self cooking. In high school people used to say we looked alike. I feel guilty about this.
Part of me feels bad for him. But then I think weight is one thing under his control -- that is a choice he has made.

He knows he looks bad. I don't know why he doesn't do anything to improve himself.

His hair is turning white, and it looks really bad, with the very low density on the sides (he is also NW7). I will be there shortly too. I will really have to dye my beard.
 

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I saw my older brother recently.

He is fat and out of shape. Completely soft. No hint of muscle. You can't make out his facial bones. Soft arms. A genuine 1-1.5 out of 10. It's not like he weighs 150 kilos, it's just that our genes don't allow us to get fat and look good.

Part of me feels better because I see where I would have been without my hours in the gym and self cooking. In high school people used to say we looked alike. I feel guilty about this.
Part of me feels bad for him. But then I think weight is one thing under his control -- that is a choice he has made.

He knows he looks bad. I don't know why he doesn't do anything to improve himself.

His hair is turning white, and it looks really bad, with the very low density on the sides (he is also NW7). I will be there shortly too. I will really have to dye my beard.
Can you suss if he is happy in life?

I know some people who aren't good looking in the slightest but live happy lives. They usually marry like minded people and settle down quite early. Some people just aren't that fussed about looks
 

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He is very unhappy. He hates his job (his managers treat him as a slave, and don't give him respect). But he hasn't quit because that would mean moving to a different part of the country. Quite idiotic IMO.
He also bemoans that he looks like sh*t. But he doesn't do anything to improve his situation.

There are do-ers and there are whine-ers. He belongs to the second class.
 

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I saw my older brother recently.

He is fat and out of shape. Completely soft. No hint of muscle. You can't make out his facial bones. Soft arms. A genuine 1-1.5 out of 10. It's not like he weighs 150 kilos, it's just that our genes don't allow us to get fat and look good.

Part of me feels better because I see where I would have been without my hours in the gym and self cooking. In high school people used to say we looked alike. I feel guilty about this.
Part of me feels bad for him. But then I think weight is one thing under his control -- that is a choice he has made.

He knows he looks bad. I don't know why he doesn't do anything to improve himself.

His hair is turning white, and it looks really bad, with the very low density on the sides (he is also NW7). I will be there shortly too. I will really have to dye my beard.

I don't know your brother, but I'm often reluctant to judge the obese because much of the weight loss advice out there, even from doctors, is incorrect. The standard dietary advice for the past forty years is the following:

- Eat less, move more;
- The "Fat burning zone" in cardio corresponds to a heart rate of 130;
- More cardio is better;
- Carbs are good, proteins are good, fats are bad;
- 50% of your calories should come from grains;
- Eat more fruit;
- Fruit juice is good;
- Eat low-fat dairy products;
- Eat six meals a day;
- Vegetables oils are good for you;
- Eat first thing in the morning, breakfast is the most important meal of the day;

That's the standard advice. It's a total croc of sh*t. That's what people get told to do by their doctors. If I followed the standard advice I'd plausibly be up to 3 or 4 herniated disks by now, and maybe weigh 250 or 260 lbs, or more. I'd be discouraged. Maybe I'd quit trying to get fit.

I have lost weight, but I might not have if I were not a naturally argumentative person who is contrarian and seeks alternative thinking.
 

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I don't know your brother, but I'm often reluctant to judge the obese because much of the weight loss advice out there, even from doctors, is incorrect. The standard dietary advice for the past forty years is the following:

- Eat less, move more;
- The "Fat burning zone" in cardio corresponds to a heart rate of 130;
- More cardio is better;
- Carbs are good, proteins are good, fats are bad;
- 50% of your calories should come from grains;
- Eat more fruit;
- Fruit juice is good;
- Eat low-fat dairy products;
- Eat six meals a day;
- Vegetables oils are good for you;
- Eat first thing in the morning, breakfast is the most important meal of the day;

That's the standard advice. It's a total croc of sh*t. That's what people get told to do by their doctors. If I followed the standard advice I'd plausibly be up to 3 or 4 herniated disks by now, and maybe weigh 250 or 260 lbs, or more. I'd be discouraged. Maybe I'd quit trying to get fit.

I have lost weight, but I might not have if I were not a naturally argumentative person who is contrarian and seeks alternative thinking.

What's wrong with eat less, move more?
 

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I don't know your brother, but I'm often reluctant to judge the obese because much of the weight loss advice out there, even from doctors, is incorrect. The standard dietary advice for the past forty years is the following:

- Eat less, move more;
- The "Fat burning zone" in cardio corresponds to a heart rate of 130;
- More cardio is better;
- Carbs are good, proteins are good, fats are bad;
- 50% of your calories should come from grains;
- Eat more fruit;
- Fruit juice is good;
- Eat low-fat dairy products;
- Eat six meals a day;
- Vegetables oils are good for you;
- Eat first thing in the morning, breakfast is the most important meal of the day;

That's the standard advice. It's a total croc of sh*t. That's what people get told to do by their doctors. If I followed the standard advice I'd plausibly be up to 3 or 4 herniated disks by now, and maybe weigh 250 or 260 lbs, or more. I'd be discouraged. Maybe I'd quit trying to get fit.

I have lost weight, but I might not have if I were not a naturally argumentative person who is contrarian and seeks alternative thinking.

No offense but I don't think anyone is giving the above advice any more.
you are quoting things that have not been said for almost 10 years.
 

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No offense but I don't think anyone is giving the above advice any more.
you are quoting things that have not been said for almost 10 years.

Well, the incorrect ones such as point 4 aren't said. The ones that are obviously correct like CF pointed out, eat less, move more, are just kinda assumed. And slightly debatable ones such as the fat burning zone I never hear being dished out as rock solid advice, it's more of a "theory". And of course it's not standard 130bpm, each individual is different, and while I do agree that it probably doesn't burn calories more efficiently than say HIIT, that doesn't mean someone planning a workout in the fat burning zone won't get good results over time.

Ah I've just realised you put the ones you're talking about in bold, I was thinking you meant all of the points.
 

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well ur brother doesn't have to worry about hairloss so he should consider taking the easy route and getting on anabolic substances and hard hitting diuretics.
 

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well ur brother doesn't have to worry about hairloss so he should consider taking the easy route and getting on anabolic substances and hard hitting diuretics.

the sheer prevalence of fat steroid users should tell you that their effects on body composition are wildly overstated. Steroids are good for building muscle, growing back hair, winning athletic competitions and not much else. Fat loss though? The results will come from the same thing it always comes from: caloric reduction.

In fact I'm so confident of it that i would bet $5000 real dollars that a man on a clinically monitored PSMF diet would lose fat far more rapidly than a man given a plan made by steroid forum morons and 30 vials of trenbolone.
 

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eat less and move more will help.

As long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight - the trick is finding a safe calorie deficit that works.

Some people can lose weight eating 2,200kcal per day and some people need to drop it to 1,500kcal.
 

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I don't know your brother, but I'm often reluctant to judge the obese because much of the weight loss advice out there, even from doctors, is incorrect. The standard dietary advice for the past forty years is the following:

- Eat less, move more;
- The "Fat burning zone" in cardio corresponds to a heart rate of 130;
- More cardio is better;
- Carbs are good, proteins are good, fats are bad;
- 50% of your calories should come from grains;
- Eat more fruit;
- Fruit juice is good;
- Eat low-fat dairy products;
- Eat six meals a day;
- Vegetables oils are good for you;
- Eat first thing in the morning, breakfast is the most important meal of the day;

That's the standard advice. It's a total croc of sh*t. That's what people get told to do by their doctors. If I followed the standard advice I'd plausibly be up to 3 or 4 herniated disks by now, and maybe weigh 250 or 260 lbs, or more. I'd be discouraged. Maybe I'd quit trying to get fit.

I have lost weight, but I might not have if I were not a naturally argumentative person who is contrarian and seeks alternative thinking.

I've been on the dieting road for a very long time now and in my opinion the biggest bullet points (for me) are these:

1. Don't eat when you're (sad/depressed/angry/frustrated/bored/any other emotion), eat when you're HUNGRY. Not when you think you're hungry but when you actually know, for god damn sure, and your stomach is almost burning, that you're motherfucking hungry. Emotional eating is my biggest weakness (hair loss does not help here).

2. Don't eat garbage - we know what garbage food is. Candy, ice cream, fast food, all that sh*t has gotta go. Eating clean nutritious food that provides the most nutrients per kCal is the only way to do it.

3. Eat only as much as you need not to feel super hungry anymore.

4. Greatly limit liquid calories. I drink mostly carbonated mineral water, and milk here and there.

5. Get out there and expend energy. Walking, running, cycling, whatever. At least an hour a day.

6. Strength training to help preserve muscle mass when cutting.

If I do these, I don't even have to count calories. No need to make it more complicated. Of course, this assumes that you're reasonably mobile and that your hunger signalling actually works and you don't have some sort of hormonal disorder that would make you unreasonably hungry all the time. The rest is all calories in vs out.

One other thing I'd like to point out is how walking is a great way to burn fat IMO. It's great because it's fairly low intensity, which means most of it will get fueled by your fat stores rather than glycogen, so you won't be burned out even after walking for miles, which means you can do it every day and be consistent (and it will spare your muscle). My favorite activity is just going for 1-2 hours of walking in nature with headphones on, I go at a moderate speed and my HR is around 110-115. At about 15-16% body fat now and looking to get down to 10%. Occassionally throw in the high intensity cardio maybe 1-2x a week (my fav is jump rope).

As far as macronutrients some people may do better on a higher carb diet and others might prefer more fat, but personally I don't care either way. I eat a good mixture of them all because it doesn't matter much in my case. I've tried low carb, felt like ***, definitely not my thing. Low fat leaves me feeling hungry a good deal of the time. So I just eat 'moderate everything', but try to keep unsaturated fats low. That's about it.
 
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No offense but I don't think anyone is giving the above advice any more.
you are quoting things that have not been said for almost 10 years.

If it was incorrect I obviously wouldn't be saying it, I've done my research and I've spoken to a lot of people in the field and affected by it.
 

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What's wrong with eat less, move more?

It's the standard advice and it's incorrect.

The metabolic theory of obesity is simply a lot more effective at actually helping people than the caloric theory.

It's known from studies that if you crash men's caloric consumption to 1,500 calories a day and make them exercise the most likely outcome is initial weight loss, followed by metabolic adaptation, followed by weight gain to an even higher weight than where the men started. By and large, the overwhelming majority of subjects in "calories in, calories out" weight loss studies don't achieve long-term weight loss.

It's much better to focus on hormones and metabolic effects:what you're eating and when you're eating it, rather than only how much you're eating.
 
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So I just eat 'moderate everything', but try to keep unsaturated fats low. That's about it.

Saturated fats and monounsaturated fats are good for you.

Polyunsaturated fats are probably good too, I have not looked into that as much, but I know there's evidence accumulating against vegetable oils, and that may be the root of people obsessing with Omega 3:6 ratio. I think they're linked to inflammation and cancer. This comes from trusted answers, but this is a field where I have to review everything myself as I hardly trust the authorities.
 

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Harvard's eating advice isn't too bad.
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However they're telling people to limit dairy, red meat, meanwhile they're overehmphasizing grains and fruit. Under healthy oils, they are including canola oil, rather than coconut oil or butter.

About a year ago, a nutritionist was speaking to my cousins about her baby. I was visiting and overheard the conversation. She told them the perfect meal for a growing child is a grain, a protein, and a vegetable. She wasn't too far off. However, you never actually "need" a grain the way you need proteins and vegetable, and kids do need fats.

Luckily that kid will get fats, as he loves salmon. But I am worried for kids for the country when nutritionists are being paid vast sums of money to tell parents that their kids "need" grains, but not tell them that their kids need fats. Bread can be good, but nobody needs bread. Looking at the above plate from Harvard, if 25% of your plate is grains, then that's around 50% of your calories. That's not necessary.

I was in a cafeteria the other day, and a student was eating pizza. This student must have been 18 or 19, and had not been or should not have been exposed to traditional dietary advice. She was removing the oil from the pizza. I did not ask her but I've seen people do this, they think the fat is bad for them. Actually, the most unhealthy part of that pizza is the crust.Also the tomato sauce if it's a tomato sauce with added sugar. She was eating that willy nilly.
 
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Yeah, wheat is such a trash food. It's got, what, some B vitamins from the yeast and that's about it? The rest is pure starch. Might as well be downing refined sugar at that point. Hell, that would probably be healthier as it would spare you from all those inflammatory wheat proteins LOL.

There is absolutely no vitamin, mineral, macronutrient in wheat products (and a majority of other grains) that you can't get from somewhere else in a healthier manner.
 

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This is a bit off topic but I'd like to discuss how Americans drink coffee. I find it ridiculous. Can non-Americans like @WhitePolarBear abd @Dante92 discuss?

1) Americans typically think that coffee "needs" sugar, I see people pour multiple sugar sachets in coffee. What for? The default should be zero sugar. I know some low carb people, and for them the hardest part is (seriously) not having the sugar in coffee.

I virtually never add sugar (or stevia) to my coffee.

2) Milk. I sometimes take milk in coffee and sometimes not.

At work we have coffee for Monday morning discussions. There are three options for milk: skim milk, reduced fat 2% milk, and a low-fat cream Americans call "half and half". There is no option for full fat milk or real cream. This is typical and often seen in restaurants and coffee shops as well.
 

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A guy at work the other day -- he's very educated -- scoffed at people for thinking that avocado is good for you. He pointed out that avocado is high in fat.
 

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A guy at work the other day -- he's very educated -- scoffed at people for thinking that avocado is good for you. He pointed out that avocado is high in fat.

What do you think about porridge (oatmeal I think you guys call it?), everyday with about a cup and a half of full fat milk?

I only really know the basics, but nutritionally speaking this seems to be a decent breakfast, and it leaves me feeling full right till lunch unlike many other options.
 

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What do you think about porridge (oatmeal I think you guys call it?), everyday with about a cup and a half of full fat milk?

I only really know the basics, but nutritionally speaking this seems to be a decent breakfast, and it leaves me feeling full right till lunch unlike many other options.

If it's working for you then that's what matters most. I often write that carbohydrates are bad, but that's not completely true. I think they're only a problem if you're insulin resistant, which you might not be. Lots of people do very well eating tons of carbohydrates.

If you want some suggestions, consider spiking the oatmeal with cinnamon, slightly reducing the dose and replacing with berries, cocoa powder, maca powder, etc. Maybe alternate with a different breakfast on every second or third day.
 
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