Best natural treatment?

[allen_australia]

what do the graphs "proliferation" and "MVD" stand for?

i agree that soy and green tea together is a more potent combination that green tea alone. but i disagree that a soy protein isolate provides the same benefits that a whole soya bean does in terms of hair loss. supermarket style soy milks just don't cut it.

 

[allen_australia]

that graph is kind of freaking me out actually. maybe i should cut down on the green tea. where did you get that graph from please Doctor?

 

[allen_australia]

Something else of relevance is that a treatment such as finasteride, targets DHT in a way that inhibits the creation of DHT which cancan cause other side effects. Equol, an active element within soy, instead, allows the production of DHT but not its operation.

So the graph you just posted would be incorrect if that were true? As it wouldn't reduce serum DHT, just its receptor/attaching abilities?

Very confusing.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

Something else of relevance is that a treatment such as finasteride, targets DHT in a way that inhibits the creation of DHT which cancan cause other side effects. Equol, an active element within soy, instead, allows the production of DHT but not its operation.

So the graph you just posted would be incorrect if that were true? As it wouldn't reduce serum DHT, just its receptor/attaching abilities?

Very confusing.

do you know how dht is produced?....your first paragraph makes no sense.

 

[michael barry]

I have a stupid imbecilic question.......................................


Is Black tea just plain ol' regular tea that you get in lipton tea bags, etc?



I read "somewhere" that black tea supposedly suppresses TGF beta and black tea extract is included in the latest Paul Mitchell Tea Tree shampoo.



Doctor, anyone?

 

[allen_australia]

excuse me hair today, i don't suggest to know everything! i'm just trying to understand this, you're being slightly aggressive. leave it out yeh?

rather than simply telling me what i don't understand, it'd be way cooler if you explained things as you see it! thanks

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

excuse me hair today, i don't suggest to know everything! i'm just trying to understand this, you're being slightly aggressive. leave it out yeh?

rather than simply telling me what i don't understand, it'd be way cooler if you explained things as you see it! thanks

Im trying to tell you...but your response is "i guess we agree to disagree"...there is no seeing things, im trying to let you know the facts. I am sorry if i come off as aggressive.

 

[allen_australia]

that's cool, even though i don't agree with everything you've said i still respect it and am interested to hear your interpretation (or indeed anyone's interpretation). its all good

 

[Bryan]

Something else of relevance is that a treatment such as finasteride, targets DHT in a way that inhibits the creation of DHT which can cause other side effects. Equol, an active element within soy, instead, allows the production of DHT but not its operation.

Shouldn't make any difference. Both side-effects and desired effects should be the same, regardless of which approach you take.

 

[Jkkezh]

Is Black tea just plain ol' regular tea that you get in lipton tea bags, etc?

yep

By the way: It's probably better to get loose leaf tea, because bagged tea is made from the lesser quality left-overs.

Also the only difference between black tea and green tea is the processing method, green tea is steamed and not exposed to oxygen whereas black tea is fermented and exposed to oxygen, loosing much of its goodness.

 

[powersam]

[quote="allen_australia":2eeb9]Something else of relevance is that a treatment such as finasteride, targets DHT in a way that inhibits the creation of DHT which cancan cause other side effects. Equol, an active element within soy, instead, allows the production of DHT but not its operation.

So the graph you just posted would be incorrect if that were true? As it wouldn't reduce serum DHT, just its receptor/attaching abilities?

Very confusing.

do you know how dht is produced?....your first paragraph makes no sense.[/quote:2eeb9]

i think he meant that equol, rather than lowering 5ar, binds to the DHT itself meaning that it then cannot bind to the androgen receptors. bryan makes light of this difference, but i cannot understand how that could make no difference as to side effects etc. although that is probably more a problem with my knowledge rather than his.

 

[Bryan]

The only slight difference it could make is that one approach (equol) leaves the 5a-reductase type 2 enzyme intact, whereas the other approach (finasteride) destroys the type 2 enzyme. But I doubt that would really make much difference. I doubt that the type 2 enzyme performs any other chemical conversions of major importance. We can be glad that the enzyme in the brain is the type 1 variety.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="allen_australia":9d2b8]Something else of relevance is that a treatment such as finasteride, targets DHT in a way that inhibits the creation of DHT which cancan cause other side effects. Equol, an active element within soy, instead, allows the production of DHT but not its operation.

So the graph you just posted would be incorrect if that were true? As it wouldn't reduce serum DHT, just its receptor/attaching abilities?

Very confusing.

do you know how dht is produced?....your first paragraph makes no sense.

i think he meant that equol, rather than lowering 5ar, binds to the DHT itself meaning that it then cannot bind to the androgen receptors. bryan makes light of this difference, but i cannot understand how that could make no difference as to side effects etc. although that is probably more a problem with my knowledge rather than his.[/quote:9d2b8]

oh ok, thanks for clarifying that.

 

[ripple-effect]

Allen, you suggest eating the soy bean directly is the only beneficial way in combo with green tea to lower DHT? What about soy protein powder or isoflavones capsules? Will that work b/c I don't like the idea of having to cook for myself everyday to prevent hairloss lol. I'd probably do it inconsistently when I feel like it. There's gotta be an easier way.

 

[allen_australia]

hi ripple.

rather than eat the soy beans direct, try tofu. its made from soy (soymilk actually) and is incredibly high in isoflavones (35mg of isoflavones per 100mg of tofu). its tasteless and absorbs the taste of what its mixed with. so just fry it up and mix it in with your meal each night. works a treat.

 

[ripple-effect]

So isoflavones pills wont do the trick?

 

[ripple-effect]

That doesn't make any sense to me....if tofu is made of soymilk then how does eating tofu do the trick instead of drinking soymilk?

 

[allen_australia]

you'd have to drink gallons of soy milk to get the same amount of isoflavones that are present in tofu. there's a shtiload of soy milk per gram of tofu. its that simple.

isoflavone pills would probably do the trick. but they're an isolated version of the soy isoflavone and protein, so you aren't going to get all the benefits of soy that you would from eating soy in a less refined form.

 

[ripple-effect]

So should I eat tofu w/ green tea supplements in combo w/ finpecia?

 

[ripple-effect]

I just bought the Extra firm version of tofu...how do I cook this? Oh man maybe this was a bad idea....I have to maintain the leftovers? I couldn't see myself doing this consistently....couldn't I just take Soy Protein powder and soy isoflavones capsules together? Wouldn't that be the same thing?