Bone Loss & Less Defined Jaw/cheekbones On finasteride?

[aletheia225]

u remind me of a guy took 2 pills of finasteride they made him age faster than normal they made him look like 25 but he is 22
so ya ur in the same boat as him

For the millionth time, the side effects I'm talking about are rare. I don't doubt for a second that the vast, vast, vast majority of people who take finasteride experience little to nothing in the way of side effects; nor do I doubt, on the other hand, that a small number of doses can wreak havoc for an (extremely) unlucky few.

 

[Funkymonk1]

@aletheia225 thanks for your responses and backing me up on this. You're right, this particular side does seem to affect only a small number of Finasteride users but that doesn't mean it's not a real side or that everyone who says they have bone loss is imagining it. Lets face it; if this was a common side nobody would take finasteride. I wonder how much study has actually been done on this side because if this was proved to be true (even for a small % of people) it would be very damaging for the people who produce the drug.
It's easy for people to dismiss something just because ther's no scientific proof or because they don't suffer from it themselves but when you look a bit deeper ther's more then enough people like you and me saying that they've suffered from this to suggest that there may be something there. Try not to let people wind you up about this. I know it's a horrible thing to go through and the smart ***, sarcastic comments really don't help.
I have thought about stopping finasteride but it's not easy. It's basically choosing between my hair and my jaw - either way I'm screwed.

 

[ahmed wolf]

Do you think the country would be better off under Ghadaffi?

yes
i was anti gaddafi since i was born cuz my dad lived under the kings regime and he always told us stories about how gr8 libya was sure it was poor but the oil was just discovered when the gaddafi over run the king
when the fake revolution happened we were happy that we will get rid of him and his stupid regime and be like moroco or dubai but we forget about the goods in his regime like
libya was one if the safest country in the world cuz half of the population work in government report back to the police if there was any suspicious activities we never ever herd a gun shot or a woman got rapped or a car was stolen or a Libyan was killed there is some murders with knives but all the country's hear about it and we feel sad for the victim family now death every where even kids
in gaddafi time i can go a cross the country and camp in the desert with out fearing from bandits
all medication was free or u pay a small fee now 1 insulen needle cost 190 ly dinners
food was the cheapest 40 loaf of bread costs 1 dinar
1 kg of chicken costs 3 dinars u can get rice snd pasta oil othere things free from government stations that gives food
now mo free pasta or rice 4 lofs of bread costs 1 dinner 1 kg pf chicken costs 7 dinner a whole stackof eggs went up from 3.5 to 10.5 dinner
last bet not least our dignity as humans went with him we are treated like sh*t when we travel specially in arabs country and Turkey back in his time we were feared cuz he is a mad man he can hate us but he will never tolerate us being treated like sh*t by others
we are a shity ppl that gaddafi forced the law on them so now that he is gone all hell broke loose its like we are not a muslims hell its like we dont belong to any religion u got killing for the stupid reason theft rape kidnapping house braking drugs
so ya we are done as a country witj out him

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

yes
i was anti gaddafi since i was born cuz my dad lived under the kings regime and he always told us stories about how gr8 libya was sure it was poor but the oil was just discovered when the gaddafi over run the king
when the fake revolution happened we were happy that we will get rid of him and his stupid regime and be like moroco or dubai but we forget about the goods in his regime like
libya was one if the safest country in the world cuz half of the population work in government report back to the police if there was any suspicious activities we never ever herd a gun shot or a woman got rapped or a car was stolen or a Libyan was killed there is some murders with knives but all the country's hear about it and we feel sad for the victim family now death every where even kids
in gaddafi time i can go a cross the country and camp in the desert with out fearing from bandits
all medication was free or u pay a small fee now 1 insulen needle cost 190 ly dinners
food was the cheapest 40 loaf of bread costs 1 dinar
1 kg of chicken costs 3 dinars u can get rice snd pasta oil othere things free from government stations that gives food
now mo free pasta or rice 4 lofs of bread costs 1 dinner 1 kg pf chicken costs 7 dinner a whole stackof eggs went up from 3.5 to 10.5 dinner
last bet not least our dignity as humans went with him we are treated like sh*t when we travel specially in arabs country and Turkey back in his time we were feared cuz he is a mad man he can hate us but he will never tolerate us being treated like sh*t by others
we are a shity ppl that gaddafi forced the law on them so now that he is gone all hell broke loose its like we are not a muslims hell its like we dont belong to any religion u got killing for the stupid reason theft rape kidnapping house braking drugs
so ya we are done as a country witj out him

This is what I thought, thank you.

At the time, I was completely disgusted by the intervention in Libya. NATO leadership had no idea how to respond to Arab spring, but they decided to get rid of Ghadaffi for the wrong reasons. They had no idea of the chaos that would follow. Or maybe they did and they like the chaos. Ghadaffi had plans to raise living standards in Libya and in large parts of Africa.

Kalifah Hifter will, in the best case scenario, be like Ghadaffi. He will probably be worse. Libya's gold is stolen. Libya's oil is stolen. Libya's weapons are stolen. The female half of the population is humiliated. The Black part of the population is humiliated.

I think the biggest mistake of the western countries in the past forty years is supporting Muslim fundamentalist countries like Saudi Arabia, instead of secular Arab nationalists like Col. Ghadaffi and Saddam Hussein. None are perfect, but in my opinion a lot of the problems in the Muslim countries can be traced to Saudi Arabia.

 

[ahmed wolf]

This is what I thought, thank you.

At the time, I was completely disgusted by the intervention in Libya. NATO leadership had no idea how to respond to Arab spring, but they decided to get rid of Ghadaffi for the wrong reasons. They had no idea of the chaos that would follow. Or maybe they did and they like the chaos. Ghadaffi had plans to raise living standards in Libya and in large parts of Africa.

Kalifah Hifter will, in the best case scenario, be like Ghadaffi. He will probably be worse. Libya's gold is stolen. Libya's oil is stolen. Libya's weapons are stolen. The female half of the population is humiliated. The Black part of the population is humiliated.

I think the biggest mistake of the western countries in the past forty years is supporting Muslim fundamentalist countries like Saudi Arabia, instead of secular Arab nationalists like Col. Ghadaffi and Saddam Hussein. None are perfect, but in my opinion a lot of the problems in the Muslim countries can be traced to Saudi Arabia.

yes countries like qatar is responsible they were the first to support NATO to help against gaddafi but they did it for gas really do they can control gas production in the whole area
gaddafi had a gr8 plans for the future for libya and Africa he planned units the currency of all Africa under Telogen Effluvium name of african dinner and that upset alot of western countries like france cuz they have lots if intrest in Africa if u remember the French government was going to attack the fleet that was send to bengazie even if uan didn't approve
as fot haftir he is doing a good job in the east but its hard to do anything in the west we are community that has tribes lots of tribs wont join him and still by legion to gaddafi like werfala and the south but the south are slredy teamed with him tripoli is with him but the issue in tripoli is it has all kind of militia so its hard to make a move and even say that ur with haftir its like the same dictatorship all over again
any one in libya says the he still supports 17of feb is benefits from it cuz it only brought us death and hunger
where are u from ? glad to c u support my thoughts cus many western believed this lie about arab spring

 

[ahmed wolf]

For the millionth time, the side effects I'm talking about are rare. I don't doubt for a second that the vast, vast, vast majority of people who take finasteride experience little to nothing in the way of side effects; nor do I doubt, on the other hand, that a small number of doses can wreak havoc for an (extremely) unlucky few.

yes ur him alright

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

yes countries like qatar is responsible they were the first to support NATO to help against gaddafi but they did it for gas really do they can control gas production in the whole area
gaddafi had a gr8 plans for the future for libya and Africa he planned units the currency of all Africa under Telogen Effluvium name of african dinner and that upset alot of western countries like france cuz they have lots if intrest in Africa if u remember the French government was going to attack the fleet that was send to bengazie even if uan didn't approve
as fot haftir he is doing a good job in the east but its hard to do anything in the west we are community that has tribes lots of tribs wont join him and still by legion to gaddafi like werfala and the south but the south are slredy teamed with him tripoli is with him but the issue in tripoli is it has all kind of militia so its hard to make a move and even say that ur with haftir its like the same dictatorship all over again
any one in libya says the he still supports 17of feb is benefits from it cuz it only brought us death and hunger
where are u from ? glad to c u support my thoughts cus many western believed this lie about arab spring

My parents are North African Jews who immigrated to Canada, mother is from Morocco and dad is from Tunisia. During the Libya war of 2011, I was living in the USA and paying an unusually high level of attention to politics, so I saw through the BS.

During the war it was barely discussed in North America. It was just "Obama wants to go help people", the media said that Ghadaffi was going to kill 100,000 innocent civilians, and that he was going to give v**** to his troops so they could rape people. People supported the war because they perceived Ghadaffi as evil, because the western countries were united, and because Obama had a good reputation. I would say that of north americans with an opinion, 80-90% agreed with the war. Most of the people opposed were those on the extreme left and the extreme right, in the center there was a consensus.

In contrast to Iraq 2003, there was a lot of opposition. France and Germany were opposed so Bush didn't have an alliance which undermined him politically. Also, when Bush goes to war people think it's because of oil, when Obama goes to war people think it's because of wanting to help people. That's one of the issues with American policy -- it is easier for a democratic party president to go to war.

Iraq 2003 and Libya 2011 are very similar in that a decision was made to use the military to remove a country's long-time dictator. However, Iraq was very discussed and debated. Libya, however, the media and the population barely discussed.

Obama now recognizes the Libya war as the greatest mistake of his presidency. He has said so many times. When the decision to attack was taking place, they weren't sure, there were voices for and voices against. What swayed Obama was that then secretary of state Hillary Clinton was extremely enthusiastic about going to war, she tipped the scales. What they believed was that the situation was unstable, so the USA should go in and take control.

The French government is also complicit. They are basically running an empire in Africa, getting a lot of money for free.

What do you think the Arab spring was about? I believe it was genuine, but that once the energy was unleashed, it was taken over by the wrong people.

Arab peoples are the second most oppressed people on Earth, only Blacks are more oppressed. They need a revolution, but it's very hard to achieve a revolution, particularly when the USA, Europe, and most of the Arab governments are united against Arab peoples. Unfortunately, I see no solutions.

 

[ahmed wolf]

My parents are North African Jews who immigrated to Canada, mother is from Morocco and dad is from Tunisia. During the Libya war of 2011, I was living in the USA and paying an unusually high level of attention to politics, so I saw through the BS.

During the war it was barely discussed in North America. It was just "Obama wants to go help people", the media said that Ghadaffi was going to kill 100,000 innocent civilians, and that he was going to give v**** to his troops so they could rape people. People supported the war because they perceived Ghadaffi as evil, because the western countries were united, and because Obama had a good reputation. I would say that of north americans with an opinion, 80-90% agreed with the war. Most of the people opposed were those on the extreme left and the extreme right, in the center there was a consensus.

In contrast to Iraq 2003, there was a lot of opposition. France and Germany were opposed so Bush didn't have an alliance which undermined him politically. Also, when Bush goes to war people think it's because of oil, when Obama goes to war people think it's because of wanting to help people. That's one of the issues with American policy -- it is easier for a democratic party president to go to war.

Iraq 2003 and Libya 2011 are very similar in that a decision was made to use the military to remove a country's long-time dictator. However, Iraq was very discussed and debated. Libya, however, the media and the population barely discussed.

Obama now recognizes the Libya war as the greatest mistake of his presidency. He has said so many times. When the decision to attack was taking place, they weren't sure, there were voices for and voices against. What swayed Obama was that then secretary of state Hillary Clinton was extremely enthusiastic about going to war, she tipped the scales. What they believed was that the situation was unstable, so the USA should go in and take control.

The French government is also complicit. They are basically running an empire in Africa, getting a lot of money for free.

What do you think the Arab spring was about? I believe it was genuine, but that once the energy was unleashed, it was taken over by the wrong people.

Arab peoples are the second most oppressed people on Earth, only Blacks are more oppressed. They need a revolution, but it's very hard to achieve a revolution, particularly when the USA, Europe, and most of the Arab governments are united against Arab peoples. Unfortunately, I see no solutions.

I couldn't agree more
its a battle alredy lost here no one wants to die anymore lots of guys lost there lives fighting for the wrong side cuz of the rumorsabout killing and raping
i know 2 guys were captured and released in July 2011 they were treated good in prison they had 3 meals some beats here and there some cursing but now any one get captured by the milita god help him cuz he is in worse fate worse than death
my brother in law brother was captured by a milita the faked a charge for him that he was selling alcohol they keapt him for 7 months one meal a day is 1 piece of bread and 1 bottles of waters and beating the crap out of them every day for no reason the were 60 in each cell he saw guys he thought they were dead back in 2011 with him there so u can c how its fucked up here

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I couldn't agree more
its a battle alredy lost here no one wants to die anymore lots of guys lost there lives fighting for the wrong side cuz of the rumorsabout killing and raping
i know 2 guys were captured and released in July 2011 they were treated good in prison they had 3 meals some beats here and there some cursing but now any one get captured by the milita god help him cuz he is in worse fate worse than death
my brother in law brother was captured by a milita the faked a charge for him that he was selling alcohol they keapt him for 7 months one meal a day is 1 piece of bread and 1 bottles of waters and beating the crap out of them every day for no reason the were 60 in each cell he saw guys he thought they were dead back in 2011 with him there so u can c how its fucked up here

If you wanted to, could you obtain alcohol?

Are you planning on leaving the country?

 

[Notcoolanymore]

If you're too dumb/ignorant

I do feel dumb/ignorant...for deciding to read other posts you have made in this thread.

 

[aletheia225]

@Funkymonk1 No problem, of course. Tends to be people on finasteride who get nervous about possibly having to experience such side effects themselves. Understandable, though they have nothing to worry about. I think you should make your own determination on whether to stop, but what's happening to your bones is a bad sign, obviously. You can always use rogaine instead - just stay away from 5AR blockers. And yeah agreed, best not to humor the idiots.

 

[myhairsuckswtf]

OK here's an update, in case other people have the same problem.

My T4 (=25) value was too high 2 weeks after starting finasteride. 5 days after quitting the value was 30 (the values themselves don't matter, it's just that they have risen). My derm decided to not call me and give me the results (it usually takes 3 days, but 2 weeks later they still didn't call, so I did instead). Got another blood test taken with results coming in this thursday.

So I might have had hyperthyroidism before starting finasteride, I don't know. I've never had any problems before though and it certainly didn't get worse. I looked at an old picture and my entire face/head is thinner. At first I thought my ears were sticking out more but at least with the chin it's obvious that it's smaller.

My doctor said my jaw pain is from biting during sleep but why then would my chin be smaller? Also asked for other hormones to be tested, testosterone, estrogen, etc. but they ignored me. WTF is wrong with people?

What I've also wanted to add is that oddly enough, the jaw pain started after stopping minoxidil. Here's a whacky theory...I've overdosed on minoxidil which caused pseudoacromegaly which caused my bones to grow which "masked" the bone loss caused by finasteride/overactive thyroid.

Almost had my wisdom teeth removed because of this which could have caused further bone loss according to some stories on the internet? lol =/

Last edit: It's probably a good idea to regularly take blood tests while taking meds. Lesson learned...

Another great story about doctors: My Doctor said he would certainly prescribe finasteride to his patients since he earns money with it. The more he prescribes the more money he gets -_-

 

[myhairsuckswtf]

Possibly eating a lot and lifting weights has helped. But perhaps not and regardless, the (overwhelmingly) primary reason for my bone improvement has been my quitting the drug. They began to regrow immediately.

That's what I'm doing.

How long is immediately? And where did you notice bone loss? Thanks for writing this btw, really gives me hope... at least a bit...

Did you have bloodwork done, i.e. did you also have hyperthyroidism or was it something else?

Also, how long were you taking finasteride?

 

[myhairsuckswtf]

@aletheia225 thanks for your responses and backing me up on this. You're right, this particular side does seem to affect only a small number of Finasteride users but that doesn't mean it's not a real side or that everyone who says they have bone loss is imagining it. Lets face it; if this was a common side nobody would take finasteride. I wonder how much study has actually been done on this side because if this was proved to be true (even for a small % of people) it would be very damaging for the people who produce the drug.
It's easy for people to dismiss something just because ther's no scientific proof or because they don't suffer from it themselves but when you look a bit deeper ther's more then enough people like you and me saying that they've suffered from this to suggest that there may be something there. Try not to let people wind you up about this. I know it's a horrible thing to go through and the smart ***, sarcastic comments really don't help.
I have thought about stopping finasteride but it's not easy. It's basically choosing between my hair and my jaw - either way I'm screwed.

Won't you have more problems than just your jaw though? I doubt this will stop there...

Also did you have bloodwork done? If I were you I'd stop taking finasteride immediately, go to the doctor the next day and get tested. Hair really can't be that important...

This drug sometimes feels like there's some evil doctor who was bullied as a kid by people with big jaws so he decided to create a drug that specifically disintegrates people's jaws to make them less manly. The people without side effects probably had small jawbones to begin with. Just kidding...

 

[Funkymonk1]

@myhairsuckswtf yeah, I've had some brain fog. I've always been a bit forgetful but it's got a bit worse since I started to take finasteride. Ther's also been some minor things like urinating more often but the jaw thing is the biggest and most depressing thing for me.
Your, doctors attitude is the reason I havn't gone to get blood tests done. Even though I know it's real I'm not sure they will take me seriously and it will just be a cause for embarrassment.
Have you actually stopped taking finasteride now?

 

[myhairsuckswtf]

@myhairsuckswtf yeah, I've had some brain fog. I've always been a bit forgetful but it's got a bit worse since I started to take finasteride. Ther's also been some minor things like urinating more often but the jaw thing is the biggest and most depressing thing for me.
Your, doctors attitude is the reason I havn't gone to get blood tests done. Even though I know it's real I'm not sure they will take me seriously and it will just be a cause for embarrassment.
Have you actually stopped taking finasteride now?

I stopped doing both finasteride and minoxidil. Minoxidil gave me heart racing, bloated face and always got tired/almost fainted even if I only applied it once a week lol.

Don't be embarrassed, it's totally normal to want to take a blood test. Don't listen to those people. It's your health and your body. This is important. Very important. If it's day time where you live I'd call right now. If you need someone to talk to I'll listen. Can give you my e-mail if you like. I'd seriously advice you to drop finasteride if what you're saying is true.

Edit: and ask for a prescription for retin-a, an anti wrinkle cream. At least this way you'll get something good out of it

 

[ahmed wolf]

I stopped doing both finasteride and minoxidil. Minoxidil gave me heart racing, bloated face and always got tired/almost fainted even if I only applied it once a week lol.

Don't be embarrassed, it's totally normal to want to take a blood test. Don't listen to those people. It's your health and your body. This is important. Very important. If it's day time where you live I'd call right now. If you need someone to talk to I'll listen. Can give you my e-mail if you like. I'd seriously advice you to drop finasteride if what you're saying is true.

Edit: and ask for a prescription for retin-a, an anti wrinkle cream. At least this way you'll get something good out of it

fot the f*****g last time there is no such thing called bone loss u looneys get off these forums

 

[ahmed wolf]

If you wanted to, could you obtain alcohol?

Are you planning on leaving the country?

u can fet any thing u want here drugs alcohol weapons cuz there is no police or any kind of law only milita laws
i wish i can leave but go where my sister lives in canada but it costs tons of money and can't leave my family

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

u can fet any thing u want here drugs alcohol weapons cuz there is no police or any kind of law only milita laws
i wish i can leave but go where my sister lives in canada but it costs tons of money and can't leave my family

I'm from Canada (Montreal), let me know if you need any general information.

 

[g.i joey]

Here's a whacky theory...I've overdosed on minoxidil which caused pseudoacromegaly which caused my bones to grow which "masked" the bone loss caused by finasteride/overactive thyroid.

Annndddd that's enough HairLossTalk for me today. Guys idk why ur even worried, with these tin foil hats on your head I doubt anyone's gonna see your hair anyways.