Borderline Low Testosterone: Take Finasteride?

[loser]

Offhand I'd suspect low T + hair loss is due to potentially 3 main factors:
1. Relatively increased DHT conversion rate to compensate
2. Upregulation at AR to compensate
3. Lack of T to aromatize to E

As for finasteride being safe for someone in this situation, that is highly speculative. I'd probably opt to trial other pathways first.

But when is it too late to hop on finasteride after the rest of the methods failed? Can't stop thinking about. (I mean the average man, not the super lucky guys who went from NW4.5 to NW1.)

 

[LouisSarkozy]

Offhand I'd suspect low T + hair loss is due to potentially 3 main factors:
1. Relatively increased DHT conversion rate to compensate
2. Upregulation at AR to compensate
3. Lack of T to aromatize to E

As for finasteride being safe for someone in this situation, that is highly speculative. I'd probably opt to trial other pathways first.

can i as kyou what do ou think of my situation i got extremelly agressive frontal hairloss that never stopped (i actually started treating it as soon as i noticed it with finasteride and min and went from solid nw1 to being close to nw4 and dutasteride isn't even working for me )

got bloodworks done recently and keep in mind i have been off every hairloss med for more than 3 months

fsh : 2.4 UI/l ---- range for men being 1.2 -19.2

lh : 3.3 UI/l ---- range for men being 1.2-8.6

shbg: 48.50 nmol/l ---- range being 18.3- 54.1

total testosterone : 3.23 ng/ml ---- range for men in france being 1.75 -7.81

free t : 29.5 pmo/l ---- range being 28.8-139

dht : 1.58 nmol/l ---- range being 1.14-4.13

oestradiol : under 15 pg/ml ( no oestradiol)

prolactine :10ng/ml ---- range being 1 -19

tsh : 2.170 mUI/l ---- range being 0.340-4.000

t3 : 3.13 pg/ml ---- rage being 2.50-3.90

t4 : 0.98 ng/dl ---- range being 0.54 -1.24

so why the f*** am i even losing hair with such low t low dht high shbg values.... i think i might have the most subhuman hair genes of that forum and my AR receptors are way too sensitive to even the slightilest amount of androgens and i'm doomed to be bald

my vitamin D is also really low if that even matters... and sry if that's hard to read i'm retarded af

 

[Norwoody]

Louis, how long were you on finasteride+minoxidil, and also dutasteride? How far gone were you when you started treatments? Have you had other tests while on the medications? Apparently, dutasteride can linger in your serum for up to 6 months so perhaps that is why DHT is still low. I think finasteride can linger for up to around 2-3 but may clear within a month.

 

[finornottofin]

would love to know your dht level . do you have somewhat sharp and well defined facial features despite being low t?

Still waiting for the results. Apparently they have to go to a different lab to get measured. As for facial features I'd say I'm somewhere in between. Not to sharp but not muted either. Very average

 

[finornottofin]

Offhand I'd suspect low T + hair loss is due to potentially 3 main factors:
1. Relatively increased DHT conversion rate to compensate
2. Upregulation at AR to compensate
3. Lack of T to aromatize to E

As for finasteride being safe for someone in this situation, that is highly speculative. I'd probably opt to trial other pathways first.

What do I even try? Minoxidil doesn't really hit at the root of the problem. My dad was like NW6 at 35. I'll be there at like 27 at this rate.

 

[finornottofin]

It's a legit low-T. The reference ranges only make sense because the T levels are declining in men. You should strive for the upper range, or at least be in the middle if you can do that naturally. 200-300 ng/dL is only acceptable if you're 60 or more years old, you can google that.

If you're not having low-T symptoms, good for you, but it's possible you don't even know you've been having them.

What would be examples of low t symptoms? From googling the only one that seems to fit are "hair loss" and "fatigue" but the latter may be BC I've fucked up my sleep schedule due to covid.maybe depression but that seemed to start when I noticed my hair loss(I haven't been diagnosed but I feel sad and angry at seeing my hair fall)...

Evrything else I have morning wood every day. I have to push through with a no fap mindset to not fap twice literally every day. Sperm is always has it been and I've compared consistency and viscosity with what's to be expected and it seems to be fine. I have ALOT of body hair and decent facial hair.

I'm starting to lose hope honestly. Already working out everyday hoping to get a bit buff before I shave it off a year or two later :/

 

[loser]

What would be examples of low t symptoms? From googling the only one that seems to fit are "hair loss" and "fatigue" but the latter may be BC I've fucked up my sleep schedule due to covid.maybe depression but that seemed to start when I noticed my hair loss(I haven't been diagnosed but I feel sad and angry at seeing my hair fall)...

Evrything else I have morning wood every day. I have to push through with a no fap mindset to not fap twice literally every day. Sperm is always has it been and I've compared consistency and viscosity with what's to be expected and it seems to be fine. I have ALOT of body hair and decent facial hair.

I'm starting to lose hope honestly. Already working out everyday hoping to get a bit buff before I shave it off a year or two later :/

Seems like you're sensitive to it. Not that I didn't have morning woods when I've been low-T, but erection quality suffered a lot, been tired all time, and psychology took the hit the most.

 

[Norwoody]

What do I even try? Minoxidil doesn't really hit at the root of the problem. My dad was like NW6 at 35. I'll be there at like 27 at this rate.

Oral minoxidil will definitely help almost anyone.

 

[finornottofin]

Seems like you're sensitive to it. Not that I didn't have morning woods when I've been low-T, but erection quality suffered a lot, been tired all time, and psychology took the hit the most.

Idk 2 months ago when my levels were just as low (and I was sleeping for normal duration and at normal times) I wasn't really tired. I'll ask to see an endo once the DHT results get in and I can talk to my Doctor.

It could be the case that I've always been low T and so I can't tell the difference between erection quality like you would be able to. All I know is that my dick can't really get harder, ejaculation amount and quantity seem to be totally fine and I'm like horny all the f*****g time.

 

[LouisSarkozy]

Louis, how long were you on finasteride+minoxidil, and also dutasteride? How far gone were you when you started treatments? Have you had other tests while on the medications? Apparently, dutasteride can linger in your serum for up to 6 months so perhaps that is why DHT is still low. I think finasteride can linger for up to around 2-3 but may clear within a month.

thanks i was on finasteride+ min for approx 4 years then switch to dutasteride during 2 years but i haven't used anyy AA for more than 1/ half years only minoxidil on and off and other random stuff.

i started as a solid thick nw1

 

[Norwoody]

The other route you may want to explore is estrogen. It can even down regulate AR.

 

[finornottofin]

Offhand I'd suspect low T + hair loss is due to potentially 3 main factors:
1. Relatively increased DHT conversion rate to compensate
2. Upregulation at AR to compensate
3. Lack of T to aromatize to E

As for finasteride being safe for someone in this situation, that is highly speculative. I'd probably opt to trial other pathways first.

Got back DHT and it was also on the lower end. So all my hormones are on the low end for my age. I'm suspecting secondary hypogonadism at this point. Can't really justify taking finasteride and feeling generally hopeless. Even if min works it'll probably only buy me a year or two at most so I'm not really interested in trying it. No reason to risk deeper dark circles for 2 more years of hair.

Am I being pessimistic or is my analysis fairly accurate?

 

[Norwoody]

There's still things you can try. Dermarolling, topical minoxidil, stemoxydine, alfatradiol, ketoconazole cream, fluridil, castor oil are pretty conservative. Saw palmetto, but if your DHT is low that might not do a whole lot. A step up would be CB, RU, bi-estro.

 

[finornottofin]

There's still things you can try. Dermarolling, topical minoxidil, stemoxydine, alfatradiol, ketoconazole cream, fluridil, castor oil are pretty conservative. Saw palmetto, but if your DHT is low that might not do a whole lot. A step up would be CB, RU, bi-estro.

From my perspective if I don't find and commit to an antiandrogen that works I dont see a reason to go down that route. Given that CB is likely to be approved by the FDA and seems to not affect serum levels where can I get it in concentrations used for the trial. I see people doing group orders, are those reliable?

 

[jamesbooker1975]

I had low free T (3.22 ng/ml) in my baseline blood test before starting finasteride, along with low Estradiol/E2, low DHEA-S and average Prolactin. That's why I decided to start with 1 mg of finasteride thrice a week, it's been three weeks already, and so far so good. I plan to up the dosage by March or April if everything's alright. I suggest exercising or doing some sports to stay in a good mindset and raise your testosterone. Finasteride will actually raise your testosterone by 7%-12% depending on the dosage. Most of the people who get physiological side effects get them due to high levels of aromatase activity (And thus a good portion of that extra free T gets converted to Estrogen, Estradiol, etc) and/or higher sensitivity towards DHT, which makes their body more dependant on their DHT levels, which get lowered by 60%-70% once they start taking finasteride.

The incread of T done by finasteride is useless, since it is not free test . Total testosterone is not really that important as it do the Free Testosterone . Plus you will have more SHBG and more Estradiol with Finasteride.Most probably, Finasteride Lower Free testosterone while increase useless Total .

 

[jamesbooker1975]

There's still things you can try. Dermarolling, topical minoxidil, stemoxydine, alfatradiol, ketoconazole cream, fluridil, castor oil are pretty conservative. Saw palmetto, but if your DHT is low that might not do a whole lot. A step up would be CB, RU, bi-estro.

keto cream conservative ? lol

 

[Norwoody]

keto cream conservative ? lol

Here we go with retard lingo and incoherent sentence structure lol

 

[jamesbooker1975]

Here we go with retard lingo and incoherent sentence structure lol

Really ? What about this results ? from the Japanese study . Do you even have any idea how ketoconazole even work ?

 

[Norwoody]

I categorized it as conservative because there's minimal risk in terms of side effects, what are you disputing about that? Lol

 

[finornottofin]

keto cream conservative ? lol

He meant in terms of sides I'm pretty sure