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Ori83

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No the media tells you that you have to look perfect, but you as a bald man pick on the bald part, the media tells you to have perfect skin, perfect abs, perfect ears, perfect eyes, YOU CHOSE to focus on that one area out of many! but you personally chose to focus on more then one, again, your blowing this out of proportion because its the easy way out.... so keep on living in denial that a wig and height will fix you completely and will guarantee you a hottie.... :jackit: :jackit: :jackit:

again, i think you have ZERO social skills and its much more easier to blame hair loss for you lack of skill instead of trying to develop socially. same goes for UM. baldness and self pity are your very warm safe blankets.
 

HairPieceMan

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perfect skin, - most peoples skin is in the realms of normality, unless you "have" something wierd like bad acne.

perfect abs - men dont care about abs, serisouly i know hardly anyone that is ripped, there is nothing socially "wrong" with not having abbs, or having a little belly, i even know a "fat" guy and i think he fits in perfectly, you can be 14 and be large, 24 large, 34 large, you are not stereotyped, its not the same of baldness,

perfect ears - ears serisouly its EARS, how can a sanperson compared male pattern baldness to the way someones ears are shaped.

perfect eyes - as above, i mean, come on!


Pre-mature male pattern baldness is classed an actual social problem, a hereditery medical condition, media words such as "hair loss sufferer" and "hair loss cure on the way", and the fact that every guy is in wig for anything remotely visual in movies, what does this say about societies view on baldness?

to try to compare hairloss to having perfecety sysmetrical ears, a certain colour shade of eyes, or "having abs", or skin (unless its really bad like acne) then its silly, the only wieghting would be acne in that case


whats this trying to get a hot girl business

this is not about dating.

i would glady have hair and date plain janes than be bald and date models.

so there you go, if i was bald i could get plain janes anyway (grils who look ok but not fat), but yeah so there you go, i mean this isnt about dating its about socially fitting in and not being this wierd guy that needs hair to conform to social pressure (every movie guy has hair, every clothes shop model has hair etc.) < but not every movie guy needs to have abs to fit in, or guy has to have perfect ears.
 

uncomfortable man

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Ori83 said:
What do you want? people to praise you all day long how good you look??!?

No, I don't. You obviously don't get it. I don't want the negative attention that my bald head attracts. I'd rather people don't notice me at all and just blend in instead of people gawking at me like a freak or a looser. I've said it time and time again, it's not about vanity it's about conformity.
 

HairPieceMan

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yes exactly, i was sly bald for 2 years and I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, it WAS wrong, i dont care what anyone says, in general, people WERE treating me differently like i was a second class citizen, i WAS a freak, and you can't compare it to a level of having abs or perfect ears serisouly wtf.

ok i looked pretty pants (like michal stipe/satch) and i was pretty short, but even if i was 3 inches taller i dont think it would make a difference.

but yeah, all i wanted to be was just normal, to fit in, the social pain was extremely high, and no one gave a f***!

edit: no offense to joe satriani or michael stipe, i only reference them becuase literally EVERY bald man is hiding in a wig in a movie, and there are only about 3 famous musicians bald (satch - who hides in shades, corgan, stipe) that people can use as point of reference so only mention them.
 

Ori83

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uncomfortable man said:
No, I don't. You obviously don't get it. I don't want the negative attention that my bald head attracts. I'd rather people don't notice me at all and just blend in instead of people gawking at me like a freak or a looser. I've said it time and time again, it's not about vanity it's about conformity.

How come i dont experience any of what you say?! you cant exactly call me mr nw1 you know..... again your blowing this out of proportion, if its the girls aspect i can relate, but saying people treat me like a freak?! you are being delusional my friend.
 

HairPieceMan

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it's there, your just not seeing it becuase your in denial or your hanging around close friends.

the best test is to talk with primary school kids and ask them what THEY think you look like.

kids are a good example becuase they don't have any negative social reprecusions.

there comments would include, based on first impressions that THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU.

things such as

"you should grow your hair back" <first primary advise, I wonder why?
"you are an alien"
"you are from the future"
"why don't you have hair, what is WRONG with you?"
"why did you get rid of your hair, why would you do this, you look wierd"
"are you crazy or something?"

and the bad looking bald guys would get things x10 worse

etc.

ok, im sure you will say "these are kids, who cares", but this is how people actually see things underneath the BS Politically correct social rules.

now, if you say a senior citizen and bald thats at least acceptable, which is what nature intended for some guys, the whole bald at 25/30 thing is a medical condition, herediteray genetic condition, its PRE-MATURE, by about 50 years!

as i said before, the only thing on the same level as baldness is ACNE, dependsing on the severity of the acne and how you look bald etc, not ear/eyes/abs.
 

kejan

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Ori, top posts man, I am in complete agreement with your opinion on life as a bald/balding man.
It can be frustrating/annoying and at times you will feel ugly and many men do look worse bald than they did with hair, but it's not the life sentence that so many people make it out to be on this forum.

I know that I look much better with hair ''You look so different with hair'' when I let my NW3.5 grow in recently and with the tone of their voice, I could tell they were saying this as a compliment.
For 6months of shaved and occasionaly sly, I was known as the bald guy, every bald guy on TV no matter if it was Kelly Slater or Billy Corgan - that would be who I looked like according to friends and of course being my big bald dome on show.
but in that period, I got on life - I can't remember anyone staring right through me or being treated as a 2nd class citizen. If anything, I got more respect - Drivers letting me go at junctions or waving me through. Older women women, some of whom I found attractive would be interested in me, more so than when I have hair.

I suppose in a way if you can't handle being bald or looked very nice with hair. Then it's going to be hard to adjust to life without it, like those old skanks who dye their hair blonde with black roots and wear too much makeup and have surgery. A lot of them were probably attractive in the day, but now they are getting older they are refusing to age gracefully and look x10 worse than they would if they showed off some laughter lines or kept their hair natural.
If you were handsome with hair, sometimes it might work if you are bald as you'll have a beautiful face to rely on for looks, but if you were only handsome with hair then it's going be difficult to customise that into your life.
Those people were/are used to having women smile and flirt at them and now they don't - just like the older women who age badly.

For the people who are bald and miserable. I don't know why they don't try a piece? You might after 1day of wearing realise it is not for you, but some of them look good these days and it probably is a lot of mainteance but if you feel and look awful, why not try everything? Try concealer, try shaving down, try a mohawk, try a wig, use the options that are available.

Everyone is different and that is great about the world. I believe that anyone who's NW4 or more and has heavy diffuse thinning, their best option is to shave. It looks neater to me and it's trimmed. Ok, so you won't have hair for people to focus on but chances are and we've probably all had it, the dreaded stare to the forhead if you are diffuse in a brightly lit place to check out your thinning or receding hairline. Shaving it minimises the thinning, and shows off your face.
Don't need to wear fake tan or dress in a suit, but being bald, you do have to make an effort a bit more, but some slacks/jeans, a nice shirt or sweater look good. Look after your skin, shave or at least keept the beard/stubble trimmed, try to be the best person you can.
Not everyone is going to like a bald head, just like many people will look at a guy with a mohawk and think 'What a tool'.

I refuse to believe that people don't get jobs because they are bald, or get shunned by social situations because of not having hair or a beautiful norwood 1.
I started to thin/recede about 4-5 years ago when I was 23-24. At the time I felt really bad mainly because out of my good friends (10 of us) only 1 was balding and I felt like I was starting to older because of it. Roll on 5 years and although, I have a hairy bunch of friends - I'd say at least 6 of them are out of shape, don't eat right and beginning to show signs of age catching up with them. Some of them will lose their hair or at least thin in the next few years too.

Sorry this is so long and probably very boring for many, but again, guys - find a style, eat well, live well, exercise, dress sharp if you're going to a party, remain positive, and people will respect you. If someone refuses to respect you because you have no hair or balding - They are not worth the hassle of even knowing them.

Last paragraph, sorry guys haha - I have a very good friend (the one who was balding when I started too as well). He's 28, NW4.5 nearing 5 and his hair is very thin too. His father is NW2, both his grandparents are NW1. He's never short of dates because his confidence is through the roof. He's slim, tall and has even been called very harshly ''Face down'' as meaning from his face down he looks good, but he doesn't care and rips the guy back. He chats, makes people feel wonderful when in his company, has a great sense of humour and always gets dates and always has women falling for him.
So much of this in your heads folks.
 

Ori83

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Ty Hiya, i agree, life hands you lemons, you chose what to make of them.
focus on thing that you can change, he said it in that clip, its not easy to set goals and achieve them, but at least do your best trying.
 

HairPieceMan

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yeah but what can you change in your life that would offset pre-mature male pattern baldness?

unless your plan is to cancel it out by buffing up like stone cold steve austin i don't see how this applies to correct the negative social stigma.

at the end of the day you will still be bald, its a bad thing, i dont see what you could change to negate or cancel out the baldness other than trying to be a badass bald guy.
 

HairPieceMan

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wow that's pretty bad.

ok yes, but, i don't know, im still pissed off i didnt wear a wig when i was 19 instead of waiting this long, i could have lived a normal 19-24 year old life, instead i was forced to live a life of shitness for those few years and no one helping me, everyone just left me to rot in social hell (mum , dad, brother)

19-21 diffuse crown and OBVIOUS
22 shave sly bald
24 first wig (not good enough)
25 Perfect wig.

so now its like im rewinding things , so now im 25 but i am who i was meant to be at 19 if you get me.
 

HairPieceMan

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it's like that qauntum leap tv show. put back what was once done wrong, so putting wig on balding 19 year old (me), is what was wrong, it's wrong to be balding at 19, and IMO being bald at age 22-37 is wrong, to describe myself i was like what elton john was like at 26 but at 19, and how he was bald at 30 (but in hats) i was slybald shaved at 22 + very short in height.

so im just pretty annoyed by it, and lack of help/care from family.

that being said i understand many people are in worse situations than me, wheelchair, blind, have no arms/legs, in jail for something they didnt do etc.

it's nice to provide these links, but we can be here forever finding people more fucked in life than a very young adult (22-29) whos only problem is merely being bald.

but in context of this forum being bald is like hell, or is acceptable, in any case the subject is being bald and how sh*t or how little it matters and the ongoing debate this will have which is totally meaningless since in 50 years time there will be a cure so yeah :p
 

kejan

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HPM, the key is to look to the future. You tried sly and shaved, it didn't work - don't ever regret anything. Pick up and move on, maybe you feel you wasted some of those years but you are 25, that's very young to many people and with a good wig, I'm sure you look good. Go out there and enjoy life.

We've all done things we think we could have handled in the past. I'm geniuine sorry that you were not happy as a shaved guy at 19 and I do agree it's very young to be bald, but you learned something from that. That you want hair, and you feel better with hair.

You are young, still in the prime of your life. Go out there and enjoy it.
 

HairPieceMan

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thank you for encouragement, for reference actually i shaved sly at 22, at 19 it was pretty bad, it was noticable, people at college were putting me down socially a lot about it, and i was only 19, a guy kept taking the piss out of me at college, but this guy was a NW3 25 year old so im guesing he was pissed he was a NW3 and was 25 and wanted girls and struglying at that Norwood? , he was 5 7 as i recall.

but yes with the hair system (which looks really good as you say, as good as bruce willis, elton john, william shatner, john travolta wears, movie level good you know)

and also the shoes that make me 3+ inches taller im now 5 8 with hair instead of being this really short bald (and looking like sh*t) guy who was 22 etc.

and + a single LL sugery can make me 5 6.5 and then 5 10 in my shoes, so if need be i can do that so my height can be saved (as can with hair)

so im grateful for hair replacement industry, and the lifts and Leg lentehning industry, and the LASIK eye surgery so i dont have to wear glasses and veneers to my teeth arn't bad looking as well.

but no unfurntely the wig doesnt make me look "good", it makes me look normal, all it does is stop me from being the biggest freak in the room of 100+ young adults (22-37).


as i said before ori and UCman look ok bald (compared to hair guys) but for me baldness is like this big massive curse that turns me into a freak, a very short freak.

its like having REALLY bad acne, and makes me look like something is REALLY off, and WRONG about me.

but yes thanks for encouragement!

im not going to give up on life.

also im not wearing wig to get hot girls, and i think people should stop thinking that NW1s get hot girls lol, or im trying to cheat the system, honlestly if ori and UCman looked down on a 5 5 guy who is bald like me and looked like me the first thought youd have is "holy f*** this guy at least needs hair", im like the lowest of the bald men (in looks) + in height.

the problem will be a combination of my facial features, my skin condition, skin tone, and my stature.

but all these things are FINE provided i have hair to frame my face, unfortunetly i wont be able to change my face to suit baldness to make me look like a "normal" bald guy such as ori does. maybe i could change my skin tone to improve it, but my skin condition is too bad, as well as other things like dark circles on eyes (which is worst out of whole family).

nothing massively wrong with dark circles, or having way below average skin condition in the face, or having far lesser than average facial features and being short, BUT if your Bald and all that you are basicly a social joke.

it's like I'm golem, or E.T. or something, whereas UCman and Ori just look like Normal people who are bald, that is all.

i mean if i was a normal bald person, who was 5 8, that would be acceptable, so if i was 4 inches taller and looked like ORI i think i could accept it, he just looks like a normal bald guy, he wont get that horrid look i receive from people being bald (a look of like i have something wrong with me like being a second class citizen or something)
 

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So HPM, how have you been doing with the ladies at 5.8 and hair?
 

LooseItAll

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CaptainForehead said:
So HPM, how have you been doing with the ladies at 5.8 and hair?

He will never aswer that question because he is doing nothing because of lack of confidence which no wig or lifts can give.
 

uncomfortable man

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Ori83 said:
uncomfortable man said:
No, I don't. You obviously don't get it. I don't want the negative attention that my bald head attracts. I'd rather people don't notice me at all and just blend in instead of people gawking at me like a freak or a looser. I've said it time and time again, it's not about vanity it's about conformity.

How come i dont experience any of what you say?! you cant exactly call me mr nw1 you know..... again your blowing this out of proportion, if its the girls aspect i can relate, but saying people treat me like a freak?! you are being delusional my friend.

Oh, is that your diagnosis doctor? I love how people like to dispense medical advice as if they were qualified physicians... like they are taking some sort of caring moral high ground when in reality they are just being patronizing by calling you crazy. :bravo: It is the worst kind of cop-out.
I saw a psychotherapist for about six months. I was diagnosed with depression and mild bi-polar disorder... not paranoid schitzophrenia with hallucinations like you are suggesting Ori. So I am not seeing things that aren't there, granted I am more conditioned to notice these things which might account for why you don't see it. But like I've said before, just because you don't notice something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 

Ori83

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First, you need to calm down, its only a forum and i wasnt giving any "medical diagnosis" or whatever. plus i wast calling you crazy, you are being delusional again...
Second, people dont go around hating on other people just because they are bald. they just dont give a f***. same way you dont. unless you try to pick girls on the street obviously. and i've yet to see a bald man being mistreated just because his baldness... that nonsenses, cant you see that?!? (you have any idea how many nw6's out there leading the businesses world?!.... id say the numbers are least 50-50 so career-wise it doesn't matter too)
next time you see your psychotherapist ask him if people think bald men are freaks of nature, im sure his answer will satisfy just as mine did...
 

uncomfortable man

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I hardly find being called delusional satisfying Ori.
 

HairPieceMan

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the thing is baldness makes no social sense.

i dont care what anyone sais about baldness being ok, i felt really wierd being bald for 2 years, like i didnt fit in being bald.

its a really extreme style, i think it only makes sense if your a monk or something...and dressed like a monk

like if every guy was bald that i knew, my first thought was that i was either

A) on an alien planet
B) in a monk monastery (sorry im not sure the terminology)

people will just thik your really wierd, you never fit in socially, people look at you funny, its just a bit wierd.

and obviosuly there is the sitgma of it looking like crap most of the time (even willis looks OK at best being bald, in daylight)
 
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