"confidence" advise

[HairPieceMan]

becuase male pattern baldness has a phycoligcal effect on men and can send them into deep depression.

its NOT like a minor cosmetic thing like having whiter teeth or having a nose job.


if a 25 year old is a NW5 it can send him into deep depression, and can cause his entire social life to be destroyed.

no young man destroys his social life becuase his nose isn't perfect or he is not "pretty", but if he's a NW3V at 22 then THAT is diferent an it's NOT the same.

 

[uncomfortable man]

becuase male pattern baldness has a phycoligcal effect on men and can send them into deep depression.

its NOT like a minor cosmetic thing like having whiter teeth or having a nose job.

Spot on. Going bald is a huge cosmetic flaw. Anyone who tries to downplay it obviously hasn't experienced it themselves.

 

[CaptainForehead]

kkfff

 

[fodandahalf]

If hair loss can send you into a deep depression then there was something not right with you in the first place (mentally.)

 

[dinosaur_sr]

That^

People on every stage of the Norwood chart are advised to have confidence, as has been mentioned, it's a major factor in making someone sexy. A bald guy is probably given this advice a lot because hair loss is well known to dent a person's confidence. The person isn't implying that balding is socially unacceptable or a bad thing to hide away, because no one normal thinks that.

 

[HairPieceMan]

yes but baldness is socially unnacceptable.

its only socially tolerated in small doses (the odd 25/30 year old turning up bald).

when you are bald and caucasin you turn up in that peer grooup people are thinkgin "thankfully the majority of us arent liek this"

so i woundt say you are accepted into society, only tolerated, and people feel sorry for you most of the time and wish they do not end up like you.

as UCMan says its like walking around with your pants around your ankles.

people wonder why you are doing it and you get negative reposes from people socailly, no one will say to you "you look liek crap" to your face, but it is what they are thinking, 24/7.

people are silently disrespcting you in their head. and percieving you lower than them.

 

[HairPieceMan]

also there is a lot of sceintifical studies where people look at a bald man and a man with hair and people are asked to judge what they think of the two pictures.

usually they say the bald man is perceived to be by society as untrustworthy, un freindly, ageing, a bad person (as in evil), un-succesful socially (both romantically and professionally) and all these negative things.

but the man with hair is, succesful socailly, rich, friendly, welcoming, trustworthly , young, a good person.

etc.

 

[dinosaur_sr]

I completely disagree - at best I'd say you're grossly exaggerating. I'm pretty sure society has evolved to the point where we've gotten used to hair loss, the same way we've got used to people getting wrinkles, jowls or a pot belly as they get older. It does single you out more if you get it young, but not to a degree that it should seriously effect your life.

I'm not denying there's negative aspects to going bald, or that if I can find a practical solution to keep the hair I've got left I'll use it, but you shouldn't scare people with this idea that losing your hair will leave you somehow shunned, pitied, completely unattractive or freakish, as it's just not the case, and it's unfair.

As for the study, similar experiments have been done with a lot of social groups beyond just baldness - old/young people, black people, hispanics, etc etc. There are a lot of negative stereotypes in certain societies' collective unconscious - it's unfortunate, but it's pretty irrelevant in any social situation, because consciously we know these things are bull.

 

[s.a.f]

I completely disagree - at best I'd say you're grossly exaggerating. I'm pretty sure society has evolved to the point where we've gotten used to hair loss, the same way we've got used to people getting wrinkles, jowls or a pot belly as they get older. It does single you out more if you get it young, but not to a degree that it should seriously effect your life.

I'm not denying there's negative aspects to going bald, or that if I can find a practical solution to keep the hair I've got left I'll use it, but you shouldn't scare people with this idea that losing your hair will leave you somehow shunned, pitied, completely unattractive or freakish, as it's just not the case, and it's unfair.

As for the study, similar experiments have been done with a lot of social groups beyond just baldness - old/young people, black people, hispanics, etc etc. There are a lot of negative stereotypes in certain societies' collective unconscious - it's unfortunate, but it's pretty irrelevant in any social situation, because consciously we know these things are bull.

Can you tell us your age and Norwood status?
I agree with you that baldness is not a freakish thing and nobody is shocked to see it. Everybody probably knows someone who is bald.
But as you pointed out if it happens to you at a young age it does single you out. I dont care who you are or how naturally confident you are if you're the only one amongst your peers then you will feel slightly excluded and a misfit.
Now 99% of the time this does'nt matter but when it comes to chatting up women its a major weakness and in the initial attraction phase it comes right to the fore.

Its abit like a poor guy amongst a group of rich freinds. Most of the time it does'nt matter but then every so often the issue of money or spending it will raise its head and the poor guy will be left out.

I can remember being amongst NW1's and feeling like the odd guy like being 5'3 amongst a group of 6' ers.

And good analogy by UCman I remember how awkward it felt feeling that cold breeze on my bald scalp where there once was hair. It felt like being dressed like this in public.

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[HairPieceMan]

id say society is accepting of hairloss pattterns.

but im refering to adopting a fully bald look.


there is a big differene between joe satriani and george constanza

society isn't really used to this FULL BALD look and yes it DOES look pretty wierd most of the time.

its really unnatural for a guy to get rid of all his hair ENTIRELY and show nothing at all, it excludes you from the norm/natural.

 

[Pacman]

Having confidence is always touted as the cure-all for anything in life.

The point is though, its a catch 22 situation when you go bald. Girls find you less attractive, and this in turn lowers your self esteem and belief. If you're a norwood one then girls are going to be more into you, and therefore your confidence becomes higher.

Its based on events and experience to a large degree. If you suffer from low self esteem and are badly balding then its going to take a long time to get a 'confident' mentality.

Recently, I've began to feel like, f*** it, I need to just start approaching more girls that I think are hot and go gung ho. I get this shitty feeling that once Im fully bald I will regret not having made more effort while I still had hair. It adds more pressure and in turn makes playing the field less fun. Where as someone who doesn't have a receeding hairline will have a base line of attactiveness, that obviously slowly decreases with older age, we guys that are going bald at a moderate pace have time against us. Right now im nw2/nw3 but its still just about ok. I don't think girls look at me as much as they used to and I don't get that much attention. But I still get enough. I definitely feel that my hairloss has already made a negative impact though.

What I really worry about is when sh*t hits the fan. What if I just lose all my hair really suddenly in a few years? Its like I feel there is this time bomb and that I could lose a lot of my looks quite quickly, so its always something that plays on my mind.

 

[Viens]

Girls find you less attractive

I hear this a lot on here but who are these "girls" exactly? Do you have to be 'attractive' to every single girl on the planet or something? Are you just thinking inside your pants? Does every girl on the planet think in the same way? Does every female have the same genetic make up that makes them think in that way? Are you looking for a girl who thinks in that way to pass your genes on because that is the future you want for the human race?

 

[Viens]

Why not find a girl who doesn't think in that way but thinks in a more intelligently 'advanced' way to these other primitive girls?

 

[LooseItAll]

Why not find a girl who doesn't think in that way but thinks in a more intelligently 'advanced' way to these other primitive girls?

Because they themselves think primitively