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You are understating fact to discourage someone from using the most proven and established male pattern baldness treatment, I agree that their are risks but you need to make it clear that its unlikely to happen to the majority. as someone who has experienced nothing but positive results and minimal sides for years I can anecdotally say its a safe treatment. Those who experience problems scream the loudest best thing is to go in with a positive mind set IMO.
I either end up depressed by going bald, or I end up depressed with finasteride sides, it's a lose lose situation so in my opinion I think finasteride may be a higher reward risk situation, as even if I get sides I'd be depressed without sides, but bald.

If worst comes to worst, I'll get a male hair piece, as I'm pretty damn young and it would improve my quality of life. This is a long journey. I hope finasteride has thickened your hairline. I've read your posts friend.
 

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Could minoxidil by itself actually help male pattern baldness? For let's say, at least a few years?
Yes but I would not chose it as a first line of treatment unless you can't take finasteride.
 

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You are understating fact to discourage someone from using the most proven and established male pattern baldness treatment, I agree that there are risks but you need to make it clear that its unlikely to happen to the majority. as someone who has experienced nothing but positive results and minimal sides for years I can anecdotally say its a safe treatment. Those who experience problems scream the loudest best thing is to go in with a positive mind set IMO.

Just because it's FDA approved doesn't mean sh*t. There's also progressively more and more studies that prove how bad Finasteride is, almost as much as the pro-Finasteride studies which had about a 10 year head-start to publish false studies which have already shown to have understated side effects which is as bad as lying on a study.

Yes it works for some people, I won't even say most. If I were to be modest I'd say it would be a 50/50 split between those who get sides and those who don't.

Quite the opposite to you, I and many have experienced sides on Finasteride. But did I report it to the Dermatologist or any other regulatory body? No. Which is also the same reason why believing this thing of only a small % of people don't get sides are highly inaccurate. Most men who get sides on Finasteride actually feel too embarrassed to admit they had sides because we are so macho. Which is exactly why those numbers are gravely skewed.

Also, you're here talking just as loudly. It's actually funny how pro-Finasteride people like to tell people who had sides to keep quiet. Another typical example of how messed up male society is. Unfortunately, I won't keep quiet. I actually was super positive before taking Finasteride, but being positive is literally just hoping and doesn't really have any effect on whether one will get sides or not.
 
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Here's a piece from Harvard about FDA:


"The bar for “safe” is equally low, and over the past 30 years, approved drugs have caused an epidemic of harmful side effects, even when properly prescribed. Every week, about 53,000 excess hospitalizations and about 2400 excess deaths occur in the United States among people taking properly prescribed drugs to be healthier.


Prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death.


This evidence indicates why we can no longer trust the FDA to carry out its historic mission to protect the public from harmful and ineffective drugs. Strong public demand that government “do something” about periodic drug disasters has played a central role in developing the FDA.2 Yet close, constant contact by companies with FDA staff and officials has contributed to vague, minimal criteria of what “safe” and “effective” mean."
 

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Just because it's FDA approved doesn't mean sh*t. There's also progressively more and more studies that prove how bad Finasteride is, almost as much as the pro-Finasteride studies which had about a 10 year head-start to publish false studies which have already shown to have understated side effects which is as bad as lying on a study.

Yes it works for some people, I won't even say most. If I were to be modest I'd say it would be a 50/50 split between those who get sides and those who don't.

Quite the opposite to you, I and many have experienced sides on Finasteride. But did I report it to the Dermatologist or any other regulatory body? No. Which is also the same reason why believing this thing of only a small % of people don't get sides are highly inaccurate. Most men who get sides on Finasteride actually feel too embarrassed to admit they had sides because we are so macho. Which is exactly why those numbers are gravely skewed.

Also, you're here talking just a loudly. It's actually funny how pro-Finasteride people like to tell people who had sides to keep quiet. Another typical example of how messed up male society is. Unfortunately, I won't keep quiet. I actually was super positive before taking Finasteride, but being positive is literally just hoping and doesn't really have any effect on whether one will get sides or not.
I am not convinced you understand how studies and FDA approval works specifically how they use test subjects to represent the global population. The drug is determined to provide benefits that outweigh its known and potential risks for the intended population. ... Evidence that the drug will benefit the target population should outweigh any risks and uncertainties. This does not mean a drug needs to be completely risk and side effect free. For a drug thats used by an excessively large group of people it should not shock you or anyone when you find 100s of people who experience adverse side effects. The point is the benefits for the vast majority outweigh potential risk.
 

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Yes but I would not chose it as a first line of treatment unless you can't take finasteride.
Do you believe it would be stupid for me to wait 3 months to see if my hair gets better with vitamin d supplements?

It's just strange how it could be genetic. The top of my head is only thinning not the sides though. My because my Vitamin D levels are 20.. normal range is 50-150, and lack of family balding, Dad is nw1, uncles nw1 (one uncle was bald), and I get 0 shedding?

I have no crown thinning just overall thinning so I'm not sure if I'm holding onto false hope but seems it shouldn't be genetic...
 
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I am not convinced you understand how studies and FDA approval works specifically how they use test subjects to represent the global population. The drug is determined to provide benefits that outweigh its known and potential risks for the intended population. ... Evidence that the drug will benefit the target population should outweigh any risks and uncertainties. This does not mean a drug needs to be completely risk and side effect free. For a drug thats used by an excessively large group of people it should not shock you or anyone when you find 100s of people who experience adverse side effects. The point is the benefits for the vast majority outweigh potential risk.

I'm well aware of how studies are done.
Studies and data from trials can be falsified/manipulated.

I'm also well aware of how the world works and how scientists and board members in regulatory bodies can be bought off. There is corruption even in governments of every country as well as corruption in every industry, the fact that you don't believe there is any corruption in the FDA or the pharmaceutical industry is laughable because you seem very naive.

The world is ruled by money and connections. We literally have the No. 1 Best university in the world (Harvard University) saying this about the FDA, we also have multiple other huge sources saying that the FDA can't be trusted.




"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is supposed to protect Americans from harmful drugs. But in reality, FDA-approval does not guarantee safety. Critics say Big Pharma funds FDA reviews of new drugs, creating a conflict of interest. The agency is too focused on approving drugs to appease Big Pharma and it lacks the proper authority and funding to protect the public"

Like I always say, Big Pharma secretly funds trials. It's pretty obvious the FDA can't be trusted as well as those pro-Finasteride studies which can easily be secretly funded by Big Pharma, especially when theres so many studies that prove completely opposite results showing how bad Finasteride truly can be.
 
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Do you believe it would be stupid for me to wait 3 months to see if my hair gets better with vitamin d supplements?

It's just strange how it could be genetic. The top of my head is only thinning not the sides though. My because my Vitamin D levels are 20.. normal range is 50-150, and lack of family balding, Dad is nw1, uncles nw1 (one uncle was bald), and I get 0 shedding?

I have no crown thinning just overall thinning so I'm not sure if I'm holding onto false hope but seems it shouldn't be genetic...
You can hold off if you need to. It's your choice how you want to treat your situation. If you have one uncle bald it shows you have a family history of balding so you might have inherited the gene. Doctors are not always right about everything.
 

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You can hold off if you need to. It's your choice how you want to treat your situation. If you have one uncle bald it shows you have a family history of balding so you might have inherited the gene. Doctors are not always right about everything.
Yeah saw a trichologist 10 minutes ago, she also said male pattern baldness. Rough. Finasteride it is. But the people on my post are anti finasteride, I have a few comments saying don't take it.

I mean lowering DHT by 70% is a lot, worried what it'll do to my body. Is there anyway I can check if I'll develop gynecomastia? If I check my testosterone or estrogen levels?
 

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Yeah saw a trichologist 10 minutes ago, she also said male pattern baldness. Rough. Finasteride it is. But the people on my post are anti finasteride, I have a few comments saying don't take it.

I mean lowering DHT by 70% is a lot, worried what it'll do to my body. Is there anyway I can check if I'll develop gynecomastia? If I check my testosterone or estrogen levels?
Go topical finasteride instead of oral if you are so worried. You have to do what is right for you. The people on this forum can only make suggestions.
 

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Go topical finasteride instead of oral if you are so worried. You have to do what is right for you. The people on this forum can only make suggestions.
I understand. Topical goes systemic too anyway. Guess it's a risk reward situation and no one can actually help but myself. Guess I'm just venting because I'm scared of sides.
 

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Do you believe it would be stupid for me to wait 3 months to see if my hair gets better with vitamin d supplements? It's because my vit d levels are 20 normal range is 50-150, and lack of family balding and I get 0 shedding?

Parting isn't wide at all, but my hair obviously is thinner. If I comb it it's undetectable, but I'm still thinner on top.

I'm well aware of how studies are done.
Studies and data from trials can be falsified/manipulated.

I'm also well aware of how the world works and how scientists and board members in regulatory bodies can be bought off. There is corruption even in governments of every country as well as corruption in every industry, the fact that you don't believe there is any corruption in the FDA or the pharmaceutical industry is laughable because you seem very naive.

The world is ruled by money and connections. We literally have the No. 1 Best university in the world (Harvard University) saying this about the FDA, we also have multiple other huge sources saying that the FDA can't be trusted.




"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is supposed to protect Americans from harmful drugs. But in reality, FDA-approval does not guarantee safety. Critics say Big Pharma funds FDA reviews of new drugs, creating a conflict of interest. The agency is too focused on approving drugs to appease Big Pharma and it lacks the proper authority and funding to protect the public"

Like I always say, Big Pharma secretly funds trials. It's pretty obvious the FDA can't be trusted as well as those pro-Finasteride studies which can easily be secretly funded by Big Pharma, especially when theres so many studies that prove completely opposite results showing how bad Finasteride truly can be.
How very American, Oxford University ranked 1st overall, giving it the title of best university in the world. Harvard ranked 3rd (Stanford took 2nd place).
 

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Do you believe it would be stupid for me to wait 3 months to see if my hair gets better with vitamin d supplements?

It's just strange how it could be genetic. The top of my head is only thinning not the sides though. My because my Vitamin D levels are 20.. normal range is 50-150, and lack of family balding, Dad is nw1, uncles nw1 (one uncle was bald), and I get 0 shedding?

I have no crown thinning just overall thinning so I'm not sure if I'm holding onto false hope but seems it shouldn't be genetic...
You need to make a choice, either accept hair loss this is the healthiest option to be completely honest. Or treat it, I personally would try finasteride out first.
 

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You need to make a choice, either accept hair loss this is the healthiest option to be completely honest. Or treat it, I personally would try finasteride out first.
Will take finasteride, but

If finasteride gives sides, I have to save for a wig or buzz it (depends on the side effects), tough luck

If finasteride gives me Gynecomastia, I have to save up 15k for surgery to get it removed, and would have to quit finasteride. I could take sarms or Al but again they cause hair loss and I'd have to get off finasteride anyway.

Or another, reflex hyperandrogenic - my hair becomes considerably worse and finasteride can ruin my whole hair and I have no option, not even minoxidil or surgery would help really.

I sound like a b**ch, but I'm being realistic these are real things, and risk reward comes into play, I'm just worried about those two side effects.
 

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How very American, Oxford University ranked 1st overall, giving it the title of best university in the world. Harvard ranked 3rd (Stanford took 2nd place).

Changing the goal posts I see. From all of that, that's the point you chose to address, almost the equivalent of correcting grammar in a debate.

OH well, FYI, at the time of that paper from Harvard University in 2013, Harvard was ranked the no. 1 University in the WORLD.

And even though Harvard is ranked no. 3 in the entire world for 2021, it is still extremely exceptional that is without a doubt. So I'm not sure what your point was.

Also, I provided multiple major sources confirming the same thing as Harvard University about the FDA . CNN, Drugwatch.com

It's just how the world works. Money rules and creates corruption.
 

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Jacoby77

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Changing the goal posts I see. From all of that, that's the point you chose to address, almost the equivalent of correcting grammar in a debate.

OH well, FYI, at the time of that paper from Harvard University in 2013, Harvard was ranked the no. 1 University in the WORLD.

And even though Harvard is ranked no. 3 in the entire world for 2021, it is still extremely exceptional that is without a doubt. So I'm not sure what your point was.

Also, I provided multiple major sources confirming the same thing as Harvard University about the FDA . CNN, Drugwatch.com

It's just how the world works. Money rules and creates corruption.
I understand it's a massive risk, but to be honest I'll be severely depressed if I go bald, which actually is a 100 percent chance of happening before 35.. Two professionals confirmed unfortunately... I may have to risk and if it causes sides its my fault and I'll join your side in being against it
 

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I understand it's a massive risk, but to be honest I'll be severely depressed if I go bald, which actually is a 100 percent chance of happening before 35.. Two professionals confirmed unfortunately... I may have to risk and if it causes sides its my fault and I'll join your side in being against it

I understand your dilemma and I wish you good luck.
 

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Thank you. Gonna try topical like you said though.

That is a bit safer than oral but I would advise starting of with a lower than the recommended topical dose.

Then gradually build up to the recommended dose over time provided you do not get sides. It's a way of easing the treatment to your body.

Don't forget you need to treat your Vitamin D deficiency ASAP. So remember to get that Vitamin D3 high/super potency capsules/pills.

Hair loss is often caused by multiple different reasons so make sure you address them all. Also, make sure you're in peak physical fitness when you're using Finasteride. So things like exercising atleast 3 to 4 times a week and cutting out all sugar will really be beneficial.
 
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Most doctors know less than the guys on these forums…However there are some cutting edge doctors who aren’t afraid to try new things. I think it’s been established the typical means of treatments are woefully inadequate. We have hucksters w)Norwood 0 telling us what to do. Buy their vitamins or subscribe to their videos. No, we need a Norwood 6 coming back from the dead advising us.. Since we don’t have any we have to figure it out ourselves.
 
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