Discussion: If Successful, Is Hair Cloning / Regeneraion (stem Cell Based) A True Cure?

[NeverBaldEver]

I’m here to provide you with the big picture and facts. You people browse the internet all day, it’s very easy to find sources for these (literally go google thyroid alopecia ncbi). I’m not gonna spoon feed you or spend my time trying to convince you. I have a life.

you wanna be one of those people who type “tsuji cure incoming but how thick u think hair will be hmm?”. You want to be one of these folks, be my guest. Or you can wake up and finally realize that DHT isn’t the actual issue we should focus on but an issue as a result of other mechanisms. It’s screaming to you. It says hello. 50 years of “research”, billions of mice slaughtered and tortured and you’re still buying Kirkland with a 50% discount from Paki stores. I’m the bad one? Dudes here became women to reverse hair loss, I guess that defeats the purpose doesn’t it? No you can’t cheat hormonal manipulation and sides by rubbing propecia on your earlobes or swallowing asthma pills. Nothing works. Transplants are a primitive method of fixing the image, because they sure as hell don’t fix the issue.

it’s all about money babe. If you had made any considerable amount ever you’d know. No one gives a f*** about hair, money is the strongest drug in the world, opens all doors, fixes everything, camouflages all. And you think there are people out there investing millions and losing sleep to fix your thinning scalp and temples. The amount of narcissism and delusion in this forum is more powerful than 5 kilos of avodart / day.

The sooner we wake up, the better. This ain’t a pessimism rant, don’t you dare turn that switch on. This is cold hard facts with a smile on my face. It’s very suitable for the industry to sell you the same stupid harmful drug and liquids for the past half century only to make you pay more for transplants.

I’m sorry I forgot tribulus. You’re killing me here man. Happy Hanukkah.

Big pictures and facts can only be provided by reliable sources, like researches and experiments.
Your personal observation? Everyone else has eyes and can observe.
Your personal opinion (without scientific proof)? Everyone else has a brain and can think.
Why do I have to trust you, not someone else (me included).

I am ready to accept any opinion, as long as it is backed up by reasonable grounds. Otherwise the opinion is less trustworthy, everyone has the rights to believe it or decline it.
But RUMORS and BIASES GO AWAY.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

Scalp theory is actually the only sensible one. I’ve ten out of ten cases of alopecia including mine where after birth we all had the misaligned scalp situation, very thin hair, no hair in front and some had dermatitis too (it’s common with babies).

Claiming transplanted hair may fall due to thyroid and stress is as stupid of a claim as it gets because it’s completely vague. Like what, thyroid soldiers go and attack follicles? And what is stress exactly? You refer to cortisol? Changes in hormones? Imbalance? Cellular level? What?

I think people need to finally realize we are almost in 2020 and we have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE as to the actual root cause of alopecia or a cure whatsoever. And by cure we mean reversal. We don’t mean grow tits and become a woman.

I’m not attacking you right now but the amount of false advertising is absurd in this field. It’s also very naive from members here to believe that people spend a decade of their time and millions in order to restore their hair. No. It’s purely marketing, it’s taking a stab in this business and making tons of money. That’s it. Take a look at every single treatment that came out. They are all useless yet they have a TON of push. All great names, great promises yet here we are, having a single protocol that involves turning a man into a woman. Great stuff. Now that I have gotten used to shaving my head (more like trimming actually) and I’m a good looking fella, I see reality for what it is.

There have been many memes out there but the Tsuji one is gonna be the single biggest meme of all time. Wait a bit longer and you’ll see. The fact that there are people here actually believing that someone will inject them a tiny magic ball that will spread and grow 100k follicles is beyond ridiculous. Not only that, there are members here that complain about the thickness and color of them, like are you people serious??? I mean there are members here “losing hair” for five years and they’re the same. I bet you half of you don’t even have alopecia, you’re just f*****g around with your temples. Alopecia, actual Androgenetic Alopecia, is ten years. That’s it. First two years your temples are gone, then two more years your entire crown gets fuzzy, thin, curly, hair even changes color (hello thyroid). Then another five years where it empties out. The cycle stops, every hair that falls grows back tiny. Simple. It never stops but you’re bald by 30 as bald as you’re gonna be (some have high bridges, others don’t lose their sides, others bald af).

This forum needs a reality check. One example of a guy WITH Androgenetic Alopecia is that bridgeburn guy I read about recently. And he wasn’t even in a BAD stage when he decided to take drugs, so he managed to reverse it.

Leave the Tsuji memes at the door, as well as the diet memes (I’m having a better diet than most of you if not all) and the drug experiments. Two things mess you up: thyroid and scalp development, that’s it. DHT and inflammation come later as a result. And we are married to this fact for ever. It will take at least 150 more years until the cloning phase even gets remotely close and who knows its efficacy.

Those with hair, enjoy your life. Those with advanced alopecia (who just buzz/shave), embrace life and move on.

Cool opinion piece, bro. You know what they say about opinions, right?

 

[nahte42]

I’m here to provide you with the big picture and facts. You people browse the internet all day, it’s very easy to find sources for these (literally go google thyroid alopecia ncbi). I’m not gonna spoon feed you or spend my time trying to convince you. I have a life.

you wanna be one of those people who type “tsuji cure incoming but how thick u think hair will be hmm?”. You want to be one of these folks, be my guest. Or you can wake up and finally realize that DHT isn’t the actual issue we should focus on but an issue as a result of other mechanisms. It’s screaming to you. It says hello. 50 years of “research”, billions of mice slaughtered and tortured and you’re still buying Kirkland with a 50% discount from Paki stores. I’m the bad one? Dudes here became women to reverse hair loss, I guess that defeats the purpose doesn’t it? No you can’t cheat hormonal manipulation and sides by rubbing propecia on your earlobes or swallowing asthma pills. Nothing works. Transplants are a primitive method of fixing the image, because they sure as hell don’t fix the issue.

it’s all about money babe. If you had made any considerable amount ever you’d know. No one gives a f*** about hair, money is the strongest drug in the world, opens all doors, fixes everything, camouflages all. And you think there are people out there investing millions and losing sleep to fix your thinning scalp and temples. The amount of narcissism and delusion in this forum is more powerful than 5 kilos of avodart / day.

The sooner we wake up, the better. This ain’t a pessimism rant, don’t you dare turn that switch on. This is cold hard facts with a smile on my face. It’s very suitable for the industry to sell you the same stupid harmful drug and liquids for the past half century only to make you pay more for transplants.

I’m sorry I forgot tribulus. You’re killing me here man. Happy Hanukkah.

Having money requires showing it off obnoxiously to "win people over." Hair does not. Hair is the preceding door. If you have a thick, full head of hair as a young man, the sky is the limit so long as you aren't a total bum and idiot. You can be the smartest, hardest working young man, but if you're nearly bald like me, life is significantly more difficult for you. I can say this from personal experience. People tend to either not like me or be scared of me because I look far older than I am, and I'm definitely not making any girls' eyes melt even though I'm fairly decent looking and have a fit body. I worked harder and smarter than ever in 2019 and yet I feel that 2019 was the most challenging and difficult year of my life in many ways. Money, hard work, and intelligence sadly do not makeup for being fucked over with an aggressive male pattern baldness gene at a young age. Lack of hair is the absolute killer for a young man, not money or lack thereof. Money can always be attained. Hair, right now, for folks like me, cannot.

Also...man, another thread gone to hell. I hope we can talk more about cloning here.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

You look like a guy who’d buy a hair piece and be too afraid to wear it. Where are the sources of baldness passing from chromosomes? Actual factual documentation, not professor idiot from Idaho running tests on 5 lizards and 11 rats with the conclusion of “maybe”. As are 99% of the stupid papers you kids post here. An example of how manipulated and useless research papers are is Curcumin.

I’m not angry at my baldness if that’s your next joke attempt. People are angry about this during the first five years. I’m just frustrated at the naivety of the hair loss community. Why can’t you see that feminization isn’t a f*****g viable option for tackling baldness? You don’t even fix the issue, you irreparably damage other parts to postpone it. Why can’t we go about different areas? The scalp theory (not the god damn size of the head but the scalp fusion during birth) is a VERY good one. Why can’t we discuss about any other possible area responsible? Wanna know why? Because A. we know nothing and B. this particular area is so futile that is consequently drives marketing up in the sky. It simply wont ever end. Get it?

Let me turn it arround. Where are your sources? All you do is voice is opinions. The influence of DHT on hair follicles is well established, finasteride works. You may not like the side effects but it does what it is supposed to. Which effective treatments stem from the scalp theory? Zero.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

Why do you think you are more relevant to hair loss than me? Maybe, just maybe, you created this illusion and made hair loss your excuse for being lazy. Or maybe just maybe, you consider this forum as your safe space. Maybe, just maybe, try going out of your comfort zone and don’t blame me or your slowly receding hair for the disappointment you have in life.

The f*** are you even on about? Is this an attempt to 'hit a nerve' with layman's psychology, pretty cringe. You gotta have a triple digit IQ to pull that off normally. Either way it is completely disjointed from the content of my posts.

Where are your sources to counter it? Oh wait, you don’t have any. And you’re asking me for sources about antiandrogens being both inadequate and dangerous and therefore UNSUITED as a long term, viable treatment? Are you living on the same planet?

Ok, I am trying to decipher this mess of weird ad hominen, ranting and strawmen now. So you want me to deliver sources for the impact of androgens and DHT on hairloss? I mean fine, it's a pretty menial task you could do yourself with a 5 minute google research but if you insist...

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

I won’t be the guy who pats you in the back and says “you’re right”. You’re narcissistic and delusional. Enjoy spending another decade crying about your hair loss. Meanwhile, others get jobs, houses, wives, babies, accomplish goals. In general we name this progress. I hate that hair loss community has people like you in it. We went from saving our hair and talking about a transplant to self-proclaimed PhD incels like you who have messed up everything. I’ll leave you with a question: supposedly I snapped my fingers and you have hair. I know you’re one of these people who do have hair but think you don’t but for the sake of argument, I restore every single thinned area. You have hair. Now what? You think you’re gonna slay some puss? Be successful? You’re gonna be the same guy that sees the sunlight once a month. And it is gonna hurt double and triple when you realize hair was NOT the problem to begin with. You can put a hair piece on and see for yourself.

Haha, you went full on autopilot, sounds like a lot of projection buddy. I have a girlfriend, a masters degree and a stable job in marketing. But keep on ranting you seem to have run out of arguments for your bro science scalp theory and thus switched to pure insults. Whatever, this 'discussion' is over.
Maybe you can keep your polemics and bro science out of a thread about hair cloning.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

no you don’t have a gf or a proper degree or a proper job. A job in marketing is actually for plebs who failed their high school and went on paid courses. Hair cloning isn’t happening. It can’t happen because the scalp will reject just about everything and you can’t have adequate trial and error done in our lifetime. You look like a guy who would wear a hair piece and go nuts on an airport check. You having a gf is as far fetched as hair cloning happening.

Haha, alright Heinrich. Nice to see you are still friggin seething and stalking me. I'd recommend getting a life, but we all know you are a lost cause.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

Who is Heinrich? I just went through your post history and it took me 6-8 minutes. Apparently you’re also that kid who went missing on purpose from the forum to attract attention and then came back. Nice avatar repulsive cringe.

Hair cloning isn’t happening, let it go. Have a great balding 2020.

It's your former nickname. Same writing style, same age, same bullshit content. Very predictable, very boring. Let it go man, stop being so obsessed with me and take your own advice: Get a life, create a family, a career if you can and stop obsessing about these bald phantom incels that make you so angry.

 

[NeverBaldEver]

You look like a guy who’d buy a hair piece and be too afraid to wear it. Where are the sources of baldness passing from chromosomes? Actual factual documentation, not professor idiot from Idaho running tests on 5 lizards and 11 rats with the conclusion of “maybe”. As are 99% of the stupid papers you kids post here. An example of how manipulated and useless research papers are is Curcumin.

I’m not angry at my baldness if that’s your next joke attempt. People are angry about this during the first five years. I’m just frustrated at the naivety of the hair loss community. Why can’t you see that feminization isn’t a f*****g viable option for tackling baldness? You don’t even fix the issue, you irreparably damage other parts to postpone it. Why can’t we go about different areas? The scalp theory (not the god damn size of the head but the scalp fusion during birth) is a VERY good one. Why can’t we discuss about any other possible area responsible? Wanna know why? Because A. we know nothing and B. this particular area is so futile that is consequently drives marketing up in the sky. It simply wont ever end. Get it?

People criticize you not because your opinion is "another possibility", but LACK OF EVIDENCE.
What you say is like "me right right right, you wrong wrong wrong, whoever doesn't believe me fool fool fool and bad bad bad." You can put anything in this formula.
To many of us, hair loss is science, we look for studies, experiments and approved treatment plans; to you, it is a religion, you believe sculp tension then it is true, other studies are conspiracies of pharmaceutical companies to steal money, ubrelated to hair loss.
It is not in the 17th or 18th century when the Church suppressed different opinions. TRUTH AND FACTS COULDN'T BE EASILY HIDDEN NOW.

 

[nahte42]

From a straight man’s perspective, you look fine. Physique on point, the only thing that stands out in your picture is your depressed face which looks stupid and desperate. You’ll be surprised at how sneaky depression is. Anxiety, constant concern, eats you alive. It increases and you slowly adapt to its new levels so it doesn’t feel as bad but it’s twice as intolerable as it was for you a month ago. That takes a toll on you, it alters your face, expressions, behavior, thinking patterns, everything. It is all caused by stubbornness and trauma way before baldness. Speaking from experience here. But somehow some of us mirror our real issues with baldness because we look for an excuse to blame something. This is facts and no matter how hard you tell or how loud you cry, ten minutes later you might start realizing this. It took me years to realize it myself. So yeah, you’re not the prettiest boy in the club and that’s fine. There are thousands of other unexplored talents and areas of yourself that you can cultivate and be amazed at the results. And let’s be honest here, you’re not pretty with hair on, you’re the same without them. As for the “people are scared of me” part, no one is scared of that face. You just creep them out. The face changes significantly on depressed or miserable people. Which goes to show you that even if you have a gf or a big penis (usually the two points of concern for incels), you can still be miserable (we see it every day outside, that is if you go outside). The point is to find a balance in your life and to know what you look for. Kids going out eating ecstasy and yelling all are looking for something. Believe me, see your life as a big chart. Try to determine what makes it worse and what could make it better. Then work on these. Things such as having a proper job, a house, dealing with past trauma (facing your fears instead of taking antis or weed), organizing your goals. Or go be a bald freak. Choice is yours, I can tell you with great confidence that we will all die bald. And others will die with a tiny penis. Others will die virgins. Others won’t get to travel outside their birth place.

It’s not so bad when you look at the big picture, is it? Spare me the tears lad.

Thanks for some kind words. As for the face, yeah, part of it is probably just mild depression for years and years (that has become the daily normal for me) and some of it is just my facial structure. I have a very serious looking face. To smile feels odd to me and my normal, neutral face looks serious and intense. There shouldn't be anything really wrong with that though...serious looking men can look attractive. My diet is also pretty bad though, and I could probably slim up my face/improve my skin by eating cleaner which I am trying to do.

My issue is the ugly horseshoe pattern because it's visible no matter how short or long my hair is. Even shaving my head, it's there. My hair on top is so weak and light compared to my darker remaining hair; the contrast is crazy bad.

You're right about everyone having some quality that they are not happy about. For me it's just unfortunately one of the first things people notice when they evaluate you.