Do hair vitamins work at all in combination with Propecia?

die_hard

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I think vitamins simply healp with the condition of your hair rather than regrowth/maintenence. Most people on finasteride als use nizoral wich is hard on the hair and having healthy hair always is a positive so I would say it does go well with it.


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Does Nizoral work or does it cause more hairloss? What about the pricier ones like Nioxin?
 

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The nizoral isn't clinicaly proven, but none the less there is lots of evidence that it works, which is why is is one third of "the big 3". To be honest I don't know much at all about the higher prices ones except that they cost more, and less people around here use them.


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die_hard said:
The nizoral isn't clinicaly proven, but none the less there is lots of evidence that it works, which is why is is one third of "the big 3". To be honest I don't know much at all about the higher prices ones except that they cost more, and less people around here use them.


-DH
Right on. So I guess my question is - have you noticed regrowth w/ nizoral at all?
 

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There was a study showing L-Lysine greatly increasing the efficacy of Finasteride. Not sure where it is - it's floating around the net somewhere. Also not sure of how much of a pronounced effect it has, but I'm taking 500 mg daily just in case.
 

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Thickandthin said:
There was a study showing L-Lysine greatly increasing the efficacy of Finasteride. Not sure where it is - it's floating around the net somewhere. Also not sure of how much of a pronounced effect it has, but I'm taking 500 mg daily just in case.
Does this also increase the side effects?
 

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die_hard said:
The nizoral is clinicaly proven, but none the less there is lots of evidence that it works, which is why is is one third of "the big 3". To be honest I don't know much at all about the higher prices ones except that they cost more, and less people around here use them.

-DH

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"Ketoconazole Shampoo: Effect of Long-Term Use in Androgenic Alopecia", Pierard-Franchimont et al, Dermatology 1998;196:474-477.

"...Left untreated, androgen-dependent alopecia progressively deteriorates. This was found in the Androgenetic Alopecia subgroup using the nonmedicated shampoo alone. In contrast, both present studies concur to show an unequivocable effect of a 2% KCZ shampoo on hair variables affected by Androgenetic Alopecia. Hair density and size, and proportion of anagen follicles were all improved. Although the number of subjects was limited in the second study, results obtained compare with minoxidil. It has been stated that medications capable of maintaining the existing hair population should be regarded as effective treatments for Androgenetic Alopecia. The present data suggest that KCZ should enter this group of drugs".

"Ketocazole as an adjunct to finasteride in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia in men".

Hugo Perez BS.

California College of Podiatric Medicine, 371 Columbus Avenue, 94133, San Francisco, CA, USA

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) binding to androgen receptors (AR) in hair follicles is commonly accepted as the first step leading to the miniaturizing of follicles associated with androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia). Testosterone is converted to DHT by the enzyme 5alpha-reductase. Finasateride a 5alpha-reducase inhibitor blocks the production of DHT and is currently used to treat Androgenetic Alopecia. The inhibition is not complete but a reduction of DHT systemically and in the scalp is accomplished. Ketoconazole has been clinically shown to be effective in the treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia. In this paper, evidence is presented to support the hypothesis that ketoconazole 2% shampoo has a local disruption of the DHT pathway. It is proposed that using ketoconazole 2% shampoo as an adjunct to finasteride treatment could lead to a more complete inhibition of DHT and thus better treat Androgenetic Alopecia.

PMID: 14729013 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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Hair Loss Study Abstract: Ketoconazole binds to the human androgen receptor.

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Ketoconazole binds to the human androgen receptor.
Author
Eil C
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Department of Internal Medicine, Naval Hospital, Bethesda, Maryland.
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Horm Metab Res, 24: 8, 1992 Aug, 367-70
Abstract
Ketoconazole, an imidazole anti-fungal agent, has often produced features of androgen deficiency including decreased libido, gynecomastia, impotence, oligospermia, and decreased testosterone levels, in men being treated for chronic mycotic infections. Based on these potent effects on gonadal function in vivo as well as previous work in vitro demonstrating affinity of ketoconazole for receptor proteins for glucocorticoids and 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D3 and for sex steroid binding globulin (SSBG), the binding of ketoconazole to human androgen receptors (AR) in vitro was also examined. Ketoconazole competition with [3H]methyltrienolone (R1881) for androgen binding sites in dispersed, intact cultured human skin fibroblasts was determined at 22 degrees C. Fifty percent displacement of [3H]R1881 binding to AR was achieved by 6.4 +/- 1.8 (SE) x 10(-5) M ketoconazole. Additional binding studies performed with ketoconazole in the presence of increasing amounts of [3H]R1881 showed that the interaction of ketoconazole with AR was competitive when the data were analyzed by the Scatchard method. It should be noted, however, that the dose of ketoconazole required for 50% occupancy of the androgen receptor is not likely to be achieved in vivo, at least in plasma. Finally, androgen binding studies performed with other imidazoles, such as clotrimazole, miconazole, and fluconozole, revealed that in this class of compounds only ketoconazole appears to interact with the androgen receptor. Ketoconazole appears to be the first example of a non-steroidal compound which binds competitively to both SSBG and multiple steroid hormone receptors, suggesting that the ligand binding sites of these proteins share some features in common.
Language of Publication
English
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92406209
 

Bryan

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Thickandthin said:
There was a study showing L-Lysine greatly increasing the efficacy of Finasteride.

THERE IS NO "STUDY" SHOWING ANY SUCH THING! All there is, is a ridiculous claim for that made on some dodgy Web site. They're just trying to make money with it.
 

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JohnC43 said:
die_hard said:
The nizoral isn't clinicaly proven, but none the less there is lots of evidence that it works, which is why is is one third of "the big 3". To be honest I don't know much at all about the higher prices ones except that they cost more, and less people around here use them.


-DH
Right on. So I guess my question is - have you noticed regrowth w/ nizoral at all?


I'm far to early in yet to see any real re-growth. I've only been on finasteride since late September and nizoral a couple weeks after that. So far I've thinned out from the shed (which I was expecting) and I might have some small regrown on my lower temple area but again, it's faaaar to early to tell.



And Bryan is absolutely right about that "clinical proof". If it was conclusive, nizoral would have been FDA approved and would have exploded into the hairloss product market like a toyota in Nascar. This is just a study that suggests that ot is effective. In the world of science, this is one part of many others that are needed to have proof that it works.



-DH
 

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Bryan was talking about L-Lysine. Have I missed something here?

Nizoral/Fungoral or any Ketoconazole containing creme/shampoo may not be marketed as a hairloss treatment, but those studies are substantial proof.
 

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Bryan, this has popped up often enough now that I think you might have something new to add to your signature.
 

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JWM said:
Bryan, this has popped up often enough now that I think you might have something new to add to your signature.

Not a bad idea. I may do that!
 

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Bryan said:
JWM said:
Bryan, this has popped up often enough now that I think you might have something new to add to your signature.

Not a bad idea. I may do that!

Edit out number one, fnasteride was totaly by mistake.
 

Bryan

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die_hard said:
Edit out number one, fnasteride was totaly by mistake.

What do you mean?
 

die_hard

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I was refering to finasteride being an accidental discovery for hairloss treatment, I just worded it very poorly.
 

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Bryan said:
Using finasteride to treat balding definitely was NOT any kind of accidental discovery. Merck was well aware of the potential for using 5a-reductase inhibitors for hairloss even before finasteride was synthesized in their laboratories for the very first time.
 
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