I cant speak for the entire forum, but to keep your streak going I'd like to state that yes, it's a very bad idea. "Much lower penalties" for rape is not only an offensive idea to women, but many men, including this one. Of course rape should be punished harshly.
You misunderstood me. I do not advocate lower penalties for proven rapists. I advocate penalizing men who were simply accused and known to have had sex with a woman who plausibly claims she was raped. By plausible, I mean her story does not sound suspicious, but that neither does his. If his story sounds suspicious, then of course the penalties should be much higher for him.
There are many cases that are just his word against hers. In Belgium it seems they take the extreme of protecting the accused. So did the United States for a while at least for non-blacks. Now it seems they are taking the opposite extreme. They side with the accuser if female, and once they say they find it more likely he is guilty, they treat him as though they were 100% certain and ruin his life. For those pure he said, she said cases, I advocate a penalty that is high enough to deter rapists but falls way short of justice, so that the lives of the innocent are not ruined.
My plan is that rapists would know that at a minimum they might get that penalty, and if the situation has suspicious details,they'd get worse. Innocent men would know their life is not going to end after a single accusation.
I think the current all or nothing system is so harsh that even rape victims don't report most rapes because they are not 100% sure if he meant to rape them, and they know that given the seriousness of the stakes, there will be a huge investigation and huge trial, something they would like to avoid. Most rapists are serial rapists. It is hard to spot them because most of their victims don't report. If all of them did, we would see that some guys only got accused once by a woman who accused 5 other guys, and some men got accused by 2-4 different women who never accused anyone else. It would be very obvious who the rapists are, and we could pick them off just on probability.
The way things are headed, if any woman accuses a guy of rape, he is treated as guilty and his life ruined. This gives tremendous power of women over men in relationships. In many schools, if a guy even suggests he will break up with is girlfriend, that is considered coercion. So is acting sad or giving any indicator of disapproval about his rejection. We are not allowed to have emotions at all except those they approve of, or else it is rape and at full penalty.
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I cant speak for the entire forum, but to keep your streak going I'd like to state that yes, it's a very bad idea. "Much lower penalties" for rape is not only an offensive idea to women, but many men, including this one. Of course rape should be punished harshly.
yetti,
What should be the penalty for this perpetrator?
A perpetrator may use coercive statements to manipulate another person. Examples of these include:
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“If you won’t have sex with me, I’ll find someone who will.”
According to
http://studenthealth.emory.edu/hp/respect_program/consent_vs_coercion.html, he did not get consent, and thus is guilty of rape, or sex misconduct.
Do you think schools should be allowed to regulate student's speech and sex lives on this level, expelling those who don't obey?
I'd never say that to a partner, but I think I should have the right to, otherwise it makes me wonder just want I can say at all. Relationships are give and take, and partners often give ultimatums about what they expect in a relationship. But when it comes to issues that give women power over men, all of a sudden our leaders are using rape accusation as the way to control men. This is like labeling public urination as a sex offense.
