Dr Tsuji And Hairloss Treatment Questions

[MrV88]

Okay so to put these in perspective for everyone I found some pictures from a wig manufacturer.

"Our factory uses the number of individual hair stands per square centimeter, ranging from 30 hairs per square cm to 150 hairs per square cm. 30 hairs per square cm would be considered an extremely thin, light density and 150 hairs per square cm would be considered an extremely thick, heavy density."

No the intervals are a little bit off, but basically that means that the first wig is 30 hairs per cm squared, while the last wig is 150 hairs per cm squared. The half way point is 90 hairs per cm squared, so should be the medium one, which is what they recommend for young men, although apparently the medium light wig is the most common.

Anyway 129 hairs is basically in the range where the wig supplier say it gets too thick for everyday wear.

The only issue is the supplier hasn't said what type of hair is in the pictures. It probably isn't European hair, and apparently Chinese hair doesn't curl, but apparently Indian hair is quite similar to European hair.

"The texture is very smooth and soft. Genetically, Indian hair is very similar to Caucasian hair in its basic structure."

So yeah, it seems like Tsuji's method is likely adequate enough to give people back their natural density

Sources:
https://www.lordhair.com/custom-options/hair-density.html
https://www.lordhair.com/custom-options/hair-type.html

Think about people that haven't lost their full density and Tsuji could achieve more than 130 more density than you've been born! Just kidding I know there ain't enough space, but still want to know what happens to the weak nearly diminished thin hairs if they apply it on them or close to them and if Replicel could save those hairs till full regeneration?

 

[Beowulf]

Think about people that haven't lost their full density and Tsuji could achieve more than 130 more density than you've been born! Just kidding I know there ain't enough space, but still want to know what happens to the weak nearly diminished thin hairs if they apply it on them or close to them and if Replicel could save those hairs till full regeneration?

I think your big problem at this stage is going to be shock loss from the implantation method. Hair primordiums aren't injected, they're grafted. But I wouldn't be surprised if that changes eventually.

 

[Beowulf]

I think your big problem at this stage is going to be shock loss from the implantation method. Hair primordiums aren't injected, they're grafted. But I wouldn't be surprised if that changes eventually.

Then again I might have to bite my tongue, it seems some of the Turkey hair transplant therapists have done a few jobs where they work around what's there. Look them up on youtube, I'd post links but I don't want to shill. So yeah it seems like you probably will be able to do a bit of a touch up with hair primordiums.

 

[LeeBuckler]

You said that tsuji did Trials on humans? or did he only inject follicles of humans in mice?

If the commercialization will be in 2020 we will not have any safety Trial he shouldnt wait for the animal Trials. He has to to Trials on humans NOW!!

 

[Beowulf]

You said that tsuji did Trials on humans? or did he only inject follicles of humans in mice?

If the commercialization will be in 2020 we will not have any safety Trial he shouldnt wait for the animal Trials. He has to to Trials on humans NOW!!

The schedule is basically something along the lines of:
2018: Pre-clinical animal safety trial.
2019: Phase 1 human safety trial.
2020: Commercialisation which will act as the phase 2 trial.

 

[LeeBuckler]

Safety data for only 1 year isnt that good RCH-01 luckily has 5 years safety data and there were no tumours
i'd risk that anyways...

 

[razzmatazz91]

The schedule is basically something along the lines of:
2018: Pre-clinical animal safety trial.
2019: Phase 1 human safety trial.
2020: Commercialisation which will act as the phase 2 trial.

How do we know the human trials will last just one year? Other than the “hope” to commercialise in 2020, do we have any reason to say that?

 

[Trichosan]

Human trials - No doubt they have anticipated this stage and it would be very interesting to know the process in selecting the first human or humans to undergo this procedure. And to be there at the moment of decision to feel the excitement, emotion, elation or fear. Will it be male, female? Some NW3? They going to put it on the crown? Frontal? ***?

As the Rabbi said, "It won't be long now!"

 

[Beowulf]

Human trials - No doubt they have anticipated this stage and it would be very interesting to know the process in selecting the first human or humans to undergo this procedure. And to be there at the moment of decision to feel the excitement, emotion, elation or fear. Will it be male, female? Some NW3? They going to put it on the crown? Frontal? ***?

As the Rabbi said, "It won't be long now!"

I don't even think safety will be the most interesting part, I think it's going to be watching them grow. How many will we see? What direction? Will they blend perfectly? Do you need a good surgeon?

 

[Trichosan]

I don't even think safety will be the most interesting part, I think it's going to be watching them grow. How many will we see? What direction? Will they blend perfectly? Do you need a good surgeon?

Yes. How many will be implanted and will all survive, if not, will they soon know the cause? I know we can cram a million more posts into this forum about this but 2020 is just a heartbeat away.

 

[Beowulf]

Yes. How many will be implanted and will all survive, if not, will they soon know the cause? I know we can cram a million more posts into this forum about this but 2020 is just a heartbeat away.

It's hard. I know that 2020 isn't far away, and in a world where we live in three month growth cycles you'd imagine we'd have learned patience, but I think what makes the wait difficult is just the choice between getting a hair transplant now and forgoing new treatment, or waiting it out. But I mean the day it shows efficacy they'll just be a massive sigh of relief throughout the community. Sure it might be expensive, sure it might not be immediately available, but at least you can finally solve your problem once and for all, and reclaim that head of hair you took for granted so many years ago.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

I am just pissed that I am unable to carry on taking finasteride, seemingly in front of the finish line. We will see about that though. Commercialization might still have to go a longer way.

 

[Beowulf]

I am just pissed that I am unable to carry on taking finasteride, seemingly in front of the finish line. We will see about that though. Commercialization might still have to go a longer way.

I have heard (anecdotally) that some people with side effects on finasteride don't experience any side effects on dutasteride, so I suppose you could try that with a hair transplant. Both my GP and my dermo agree that dutasteride isn't necessarily better than finasteride, just something that seems to work better in certain people.

 

[damyan]

It looks like they are sure about using the nylon threads for the direction of hair growth. From the picture it looks like the inserting process will be very similar to the insertion of a normal hair transplant procedure.



yess with nylon threads: 60 hair / cm
without nylon threads : 150 hair/cm
tsuji is compliment to FUT ideal for NW5 - NW7 ............for NW1-4 is ideal normal hair transplant procedure

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

I have heard (anecdotally) that some people with side effects on finasteride don't experience any side effects on dutasteride, so I suppose you could try that with a hair transplant. Both my GP and my dermo agree that dutasteride isn't necessarily better than finasteride, just something that seems to work better in certain people.

I am still suffering from finasteride sides, 3 months+ after stopping so I am too scared to f*** with hormones again...maybe after HRT or any other improvement of my condition.

 

[Soundwave]

If this tech works, I assume it can work with an existing hair transplant? Like if someone opted to get a hair transplant in 2018 and then used Tsuji in 2024 or something, that would work ok?

 

[H]

It looks like they are sure about using the nylon threads for the direction of hair growth. From the picture it looks like the inserting process will be very similar to the insertion of a normal hair transplant procedure.



yess with nylon threads: 60 hair / cm
without nylon threads : 150 hair/cm
tsuji is compliment to FUT ideal for NW5 - NW7 ............for NW1-4 is ideal normal hair transplant procedure

Are you saying since they have to use nylon thread they will not be able to achieve as much density as a regular hair transplant?

 

[RoyMunsonned]

Safety data for only 1 year isnt that good RCH-01 luckily has 5 years safety data and there were no tumours
i'd risk that anyways...

The time between it being released and it becoming affordable for ordinary people will be the safety trial period (for ordinary people)

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

I don’t see a reason for elaborate safety trials, cloned hair should behave just like normal hair. Conceptually, there is no indication of cancer inducing, faulty cell replication, which can be part of stem cell based approaches.

But f*** yeah, it might take quite a while for it to be somewhat affordable even if it came out tomorrow...what a bummer. I might be close to 40 when I can finally afford it, if it comes out at all...fml.

What I was wondering was, if there is a typo on the slide with the 28 harvested grafts multiplied to 128 grafts, showing a mouse with a minimal amount of fuzzy hair as a result. That does not seem right, as 128 / square centrimetre is near optimal density in human scalps. I did not count the hairs obviously but it did look more like 28/ square cm to me.

 

[Trichosan]

They are probably doing tests with different levels of density to see if there are factors that limit a certain proximity of adjacent hair. I mean, they've got the technique, just a matter of dancing around all possible parameters. Damn, I'm starting to crave info on Tsuji now like a heroin addict.